Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[bert]

Hughes > Stutzle
Hischier > Norris

Pretty easily IMO

Hughes is perimiter no way i take him over Stutzle. Hischier and Norris are close. Norris is a better goal scorer not as good defensively, Hischier has played alot more games. Both New Jersey players are older. The difference in these two teams arent these two players its the D cores and the coaching.

 

[PlayersLtd]

People who think EK is a fit here, or anywhere for that matter, should give their head a shake. I don't care what the retention is that contract is an absolute boat anchor down the road and you can see that through the foggiest of crystal balls.

 

[Samsquanch]

What's the story behind Pavelski leaving because of Karlsson? Or are you referring to Kane being the reason?

From a small inside source I have into the Sharks room - Karlsson and Miere were the only guys Kane could call a "friend" in the room.

And not that Karlsson and Meire weren't tight with anyone else in the room, but apparently those three would often be going by themselves to more "exclusive" and lavish places while on the road together with the team. And it created problems when two of the bigger names on the team didn't join in with the rest in boycotting Kane.

Also, Couture and EK bitterly hate each other. Like straight up enemies on a personal level. but they have a truce and have agreed to make it work together on ice for the sake of the team.

 

[bicboi64]

What if EK goes to the Leafs

You tryna see a grown ass man cry?

It was bad enough seeing my favourite player growing up (Spezza) retire as a leaf...but to see the best played Ottawa has ever had...

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

This is absurd.... First of all Karlsson at 25% retained they give him away for free. You want a good vet dont look at Karlsson. He isnt that guy, best friends with Kane and was the reason Pavelski left. Time to move on. The sens are 2nd last in the NHL you dont trade futures in that scenario. Especially when your two best players are 21 and all your good players are 25 and under outside of Giroux.

you seem to have something very personal against EK that isn't very rational. How weak and shaky is this leadership core that can't handle a player who literally jeopardized his playing career to get Ottawa a cup?

you also seem to imply that Pavelski left because of Karlsson as a person. where is that coming from?

Karlsson is SJS's best player by far. go on their board and the only reason Sharks fans tune in to games is to see EK right now, no way they wanna give up EK for free.

 

[bicboi64]

Hughes > Stutzle
Hischier > Norris

While I'd say Hughes right now is better than Stu, I think the gap between Hischier and Norris is neglible. They're the same age and Hischier been playing against men longer than Norris, but the only reason I'd pick Hischier over Norris is lower salary. Norris has better offense and is decent defensively.

 

[bert]

you seem to have something very personal against EK that isn't very rational. How weak and shaky is this leadership core that can't handle a player who literally jeopardized his playing career to get Ottawa a cup?

you also seem to imply that Pavelski left because of Karlsson as a person. where is that coming from?

Karlsson is SJS's best player by far. go on their board and the only reason Sharks fans tune in to games is to see EK right now, no way they wanna give up EK for free.

It doesnt fit your narrative so its not rational? Room was divided so Pavelski moved on they didnt see eye to eye, he isnt what you want around your young players that are developing. Especially considering his history with this franchise they have a new captain now. He isnt a fit for this team. His contract will be an anchor. I am not debating the last sentence he is their best player. What took so long exactly? He is playing great right now but that still doesnt mean he is a good fit for the sens when their entire core is 25 to 20 years old.

 

[bicboi64]

As open as I am to EK back in Ottawa (especially if another team is involved and we can somehow finesse him for $4-5 million aav per year, I don't see the Sharks being able to move him unless they can find buyers for other vets that are signed long term.

Grier needs to find buyers for Couture, Vlasic, and maybe even Hertl. Sharks need a complete rehaul, acquire draft picks, get lucky with the lotto and hope that by the time the retaining years on any contracts they have left, they can sign new talent to good deals.

Unless SJS figures out what they want to do long term (rehaul, retool, try to compete with their mediocre roster), they're kinda screwed and I can't imagine they'll be able to move EK

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

It doesnt fit your narrative so its not rational? Room was divided so Pavelski moved on they didnt see eye to eye, he isnt what you want around your young players that are developing. Especially considering his history with this franchise they have a new captain now. He isnt a fit for this team. His contract will be an anchor. I am not debating the last sentence he is their best player. What took so long exactly? He is playing great right now but that still doesnt mean he is a good fit for the sens when their entire core is 25 to 20 years old.

Pavelski left because there was no money. There was almost nothing either side could do about it, it was mutual. And the room did get divided AFTER pavs left because you literally went from one of the best captains in NHL history to one of the worst, as well as major injuries, the team just not being as good anymore, and the Kane drama. I watched most SJ games during those years. I lived it with the Sharks fans.

And nothing took so long Karlsson was always their best player it was just he was already banged up when he got there and kept getting injured. if healthy he has been their best player since year one.

And if Karlsson is finally healthy and you are adding him for retention and cheap assets and you are putting him on a team where he finally wouldn't have to carry it, and can just play with good players, you are getting one of the biggest bargains in the NHL.

Having your players age 20-25 and in the NHL is the best time to start going for it. At the very least they play meaningful games even if they get dusted in the playoffs.

The experience is better than having them turn into losers. And really no one on this roster has the winning edge of EK (maybe giroux), they play like a bunch of losers when there is any pressure.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

From a small inside source I have into the Sharks room - Karlsson and Miere were the only guys Kane could call a "friend" in the room.

And not that Karlsson and Meire weren't tight with anyone else in the room, but apparently those three would often be going by themselves to more "exclusive" and lavish places while on the road together with the team. And it created problems when two of the bigger names on the team didn't join in with the rest in boycotting Kane.

Also, Couture and EK bitterly hate each other. Like straight up enemies on a personal level. but they have a truce and have agreed to make it work together on ice for the sake of the team.

Rich people truly are the worst

 

[PlayersLtd]

you seem to have something very personal against EK that isn't very rational. How weak and shaky is this leadership core that can't handle a player who literally jeopardized his playing career to get Ottawa a cup?

you also seem to imply that Pavelski left because of Karlsson as a person. where is that coming from?

Karlsson is SJS's best player by far. go on their board and the only reason Sharks fans tune in to games is to see EK right now, no way they wanna give up EK for free.

Of course they do, its a business move at this point and regardless of EK's play right now that contract was the worst in the league last year, and it will once again be the worst in the league. A short sample size of decent play shouldn't conceal his regression since 2017. He is not an $11M player, not even close. They were shopping him as recently as last TDL. For SJ it would be a fool me once scenario. If you can get out of that contract, you do.

I also think his attitude is deserving of suspicion. He essentially gave up on the team in 2018 by refusing to practice, which as captain essentially torpedoed the team. There was more to the Hoffman stuff than most of us know and I have my doubts that he was entirely innocent through it. The 'negotiations' were bitter and a foregone conclusion on his part and now the Kane and Couture stuff (first I'm hearing of it admittedly).

Where there is smoke there's fire and I think his attitude and inevitable re-regression are one big caution sign.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

From a small inside source I have into the Sharks room - Karlsson and Miere were the only guys Kane could call a "friend" in the room.

And not that Karlsson and Meire weren't tight with anyone else in the room, but apparently those three would often be going by themselves to more "exclusive" and lavish places while on the road together with the team. And it created problems when two of the bigger names on the team didn't join in with the rest in boycotting Kane.

Also, Couture and EK bitterly hate each other. Like straight up enemies on a personal level. but they have a truce and have agreed to make it work together on ice for the sake of the team.

I do recall a game where Couture was yelling at Karlsson for a defensive gaffe.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Couture as a Captain is toxic af. Especially in that first year as captain, the whole sharks board will tell you.

Because Thornton and Pavelski were HoFers I guess he picked up the habit of coasting in the regular season so that he can just go lights out in the playoffs. But the Joes leaving, Burns and Vlasic declining, the team was dead from the start and Couture was exposed big time, and he proceeded by calling out the whole team when he was playing the softest moist wanna be "cerebral" pathetic excuse for hockey. He literally was the last person on the roster that could have called out anyone and there he was doing it to the team.

Btw Kane night in and night out was the hardest working player on the ice. Total opposite of Couture who would float and lose battles constantly.

That team was a huge ball of wtf.

 

[Karl Prime]

I do recall a game where Couture was yelling at Karlsson for a defensive gaffe.

That was a situation where there was almost no time left with the Sharks empty net and Couture slung the puck around his own net and it went to the opponent and they got scored on, and Logan was mad that Erik didn't get back. The disagreement was that there was like 5 seconds left when Couture had the puck, and EK thought he would just hold it instead of trying to get it up ice. It wasn't that big of a deal and they seem to be getting along pretty well this year, even if, as Samsquanch says, it's only on the ice.

 

[Alex1234]

I think you guys have forgotten how good of a player EK can be. More impactful than all of our guys even at age 32. Crazy to watch Chabot and Stutzle and Brady as people say they are elite players and then to tune in to see EK literally control the flow of game to a level that those players cannot even fathom. There might not be a bigger bargain if his injuries are under control.

24 points in 18 games + 3 on a putrid SJS team while we are second from last on points % lol

 

[Tuna99]

Can fans request trades to other teams?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Like Elliotte Friedman said, teams are throwing anvils, not life preservers, at Dorion now that the team has had injuries and defensive troubles. The time to shore up the defence was in the summer. GM's smell blood now and any move he does will be an overpayment.

To be honest, I don't even think a fully healthy Sens d-corps is even that bad now with Sanderson's progress. Obviously this would also require Chabot to return to his previous form.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I think Karl would be an absolutely perfect partner for Sanderson right now.

I think Sandy would be better suited to have a more stay at home style type of defenceman. A Zub like D

 

[DJB]

you seem to have something very personal against EK that isn't very rational. How weak and shaky is this leadership core that can't handle a player who literally jeopardized his playing career to get Ottawa a cup?

you also seem to imply that Pavelski left because of Karlsson as a person. where is that coming from?

Karlsson is SJS's best player by far. go on their board and the only reason Sharks fans tune in to games is to see EK right now, no way they wanna give up EK for free.

Interesting

 

[Burrowsaurus]

They just went to the WCF what are you talking about they added him and he blew up the chemistry.

You think karlsson blew up the team chemistry? Cmon now lol

People who think EK is a fit here, or anywhere for that matter, should give their head a shake. I don't care what the retention is that contract is an absolute boat anchor down the road and you can see that through the foggiest of crystal balls.

Ain’t my money

Like Elliotte Friedman said, teams are throwing anvils, not life preservers, at Dorion now that the team has had injuries and defensive troubles. The time to shore up the defence was in the summer. GM's smell blood now and any move he does will be an overpayment.

To be honest, I don't even think a fully healthy Sens d-corps is even that bad now with Sanderson's progress. Obviously this would also require Chabot to return to his previous form.

GMs are so dumb man it’s so annoying. Oh your two top d are out for a week-2 weeks. Then how about this obviously horrible deal huh huh. Like f*** off lol

 

[bert]

You think karlsson blew up the team chemistry? Cmon now lol

Wouldn't be the first time. This fanbase is in some serious Karlsson denial. Incredible talent. But you're really not paying attention. Guy wouldn't practice if he didn't feel like it. You think that was only Hoffman. Come on now. He was best friends with Kane...

 

[bert]

Interesting

All the posters that think hockey's a video game need to say stuff like this when they forget these are actual real people. Make this trade make that trade. New team, new coach, new city, new country, new system etc. No excuses just be a hockey robot. They forget that there are different personalities involved or that not every guy works his ass off and gets along with everyone. That there are ego's etc. That injuries effect player performance. All stuff posters around here are in denial about. I've been preaching it all summer there was going to be an adjustment period with chemistry with all the turnover. Which is why some players have struggled. The injuries and the coaching staffs lack of ability to adjust and hold players accountable is part of it too. But I couldn't wrap my head around everyone thinking this team was going to come flying out of the gates.

 

[bert]

I think Sandy would be better suited to have a more stay at home style type of defenceman. A Zub like D

Bingo.

 

[bert]

Pavelski left because there was no money. There was almost nothing either side could do about it, it was mutual. And the room did get divided AFTER pavs left because you literally went from one of the best captains in NHL history to one of the worst, as well as major injuries, the team just not being as good anymore, and the Kane drama. I watched most SJ games during those years. I lived it with the Sharks fans.

And nothing took so long Karlsson was always their best player it was just he was already banged up when he got there and kept getting injured. if healthy he has been their best player since year one.

And if Karlsson is finally healthy and you are adding him for retention and cheap assets and you are putting him on a team where he finally wouldn't have to carry it, and can just play with good players, you are getting one of the biggest bargains in the NHL.

Having your players age 20-25 and in the NHL is the best time to start going for it. At the very least they play meaningful games even if they get dusted in the playoffs.

The experience is better than having them turn into losers. And really no one on this roster has the winning edge of EK (maybe giroux), they play like a bunch of losers when there is any pressure.

Only one being irrational here is you. Karlsson is a clicky guy he's changed alot since he got here. Not the type of player you want leading a young team.

You're just going to have to be patient with this teams development. Blowing it up when they are last in the league to add a 32 year old who can't stay healthy and has an anchor of a contract makes no sense. I loved Karlsson when he was here too. It's time to move on.

I'lf you think Kalrsson is anything like Giroux as a person or as a competitor from a team bonding and leadership perspective you're getting the wrong Intel.

 

[Big Muddy]

Like Elliotte Friedman said, teams are throwing anvils, not life preservers, at Dorion now that the team has had injuries and defensive troubles. The time to shore up the defence was in the summer. GM's smell blood now and any move he does will be an overpayment.

To be honest, I don't even think a fully healthy Sens d-corps is even that bad now with Sanderson's progress. Obviously this would also require Chabot to return to his previous form.

In addition to bad trade proposals from other GMs, in-season trades have been minimal for decades now.

I'll guess that Dorion & the Senators will just need to ride out the year with their current roster without a Hail Mary trade that saves the year. Then, the next version of the Senators organization will have to figure out what to do.

I know patience is tough to come by given history, but I think if the team weren't for sale, then a different more patient approach would have been taken over the summer. The core of this team is still very young and their competitive window of opportunity is quite large and was definitely more than just this year.