Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Pinto Bean]

Karlsson playing bad


I think you guys have forgotten how good of a player EK can be. More impactful than all of our guys even at age 32. Crazy to watch Chabot and Stutzle and Brady as people say they are elite players and then to tune in to see EK literally control the flow of game to a level that those players cannot even fathom. There might not be a bigger bargain if his injuries are under control.

If he is still the same guy he was with the Sens when he was winning Norris' trophies then I suppose you're right, he could make any team he wanted competitive.

At this point though, if we're looking stylistically, players who are more defensive oriented and play a more structured game in all three zones are the things I personally think the Sens should be looking for.

We would also need some heavy retention on him if we want to afford our other upcoming contracts that will be on the books which then meets we'll have to pay a boat load of assets to even be able to trade for him.

 

[Hale The Villain]

We are trying to get a dman are 4 million right now. He could have fit. I assumed brown was out the door and a dman would be in next day. And maybe it almost was.

There was quite a bit of smoke around weegar in the following week. Which then Alledgedly got nixed. We just don’t know

I'm pretty sure Zaitsev needed to be moved to accommodate a defenseman.

It's probably why there's been so much smoke around Chychrun. AZ is willing to take on Zaitsev in the deal.

Maybe Norris out on LTIR for most of the year will mean some savings (assuming his contract is insured) that don't require Zaitsev to be dumped.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I'm pretty sure Zaitsev needed to be moved to accommodate a defenseman.

It's probably why there's been so much smoke around Chychrun. AZ is willing to take on Zaitsev in the deal.

Maybe Norris out on LTIR for most of the year will mean some savings (assuming his contract is insured) that don't require Zaitsev to be dumped.

Perhaps. Good point

 

[God Says No]

The Paul for Joseph trade continues to make zero sense in the context of resigning Joseph. We kind of got the worse player for the same money.

But less years!

 

[bert]

Karlsson playing bad


I think you guys have forgotten how good of a player EK can be. More impactful than all of our guys even at age 32. Crazy to watch Chabot and Stutzle and Brady as people say they are elite players and then to tune in to see EK literally control the flow of game to a level that those players cannot even fathom. There might not be a bigger bargain if his injuries are under control.

I didnt forget how good he is. But I have paid attention to his career, he was a big reason that Pavelski left and that room wasnt the same after he arrived. He hasnt been able to stay healthy, the team is really bad he has magically turned it on for what reason exactly.... His effort level really seems dependant on his mood or what he wants. Adding him to this room would be disruptive to say the least. How will he handle it when he isnt the guy. Its time to move on plain and simple. This teams issues are attention to detail, consistent defense and playing as a team. He wont help in that regard.

This teams core is way too young to hang their hat on a guy that is 33 next year.

But less years!

Not at the time he was negotiating with the sens. He got the extra years in Tampa because of how well he played in the playoffs.

 

[sensfan44]

Jakob Chychrun $4.6M
Zack Kassian $3.2M

for

Alex DeBrincat $6.4M
Mathieu Joseph $2.95
Erik Brännström $900K
2024 2nd

Thoughts?

 

[NyQuil]

Jakob Chychrun $4.6M
Zack Kassian $3.2M

for

Alex DeBrincat $6.4M
Mathieu Joseph $2.95
Erik Brännström $900K
2024 2nd

Thoughts?

No thanks.

I don't think Chychrun in his current often-injured / recovering from surgery state is really going help this team.

I think DeBrincat producing a goal a game is of more value because I don't see Jakob preventing one on this squad.

Let alone taking on the anchor that is Kassian, getting rid of one of our best penalty killers, and throwing in a 2nd round pick to boot.

 

[sensfan44]

No thanks.

I don't think Chychrun in his current often-injured / recovering from surgery state is really going help this team.

I think DeBrincat producing a goal a game is of more value because I don't see Jakob preventing one on this squad.

Let alone taking on the anchor that is Kassian, getting rid of one of our best penalty killers, and throwing in a 2nd round pick to boot.

I think it gives us flexibility to add pieces we need and pay for the increased salary in the near future. Joseph can easily be replaced by Greig at a lesser cost. Motte has shown value in that aspect as well. Taking on Kassian for this year and next as a big body 4th liner. He’s overpaid, but the his money comes off the books at the right time. DeBrincat at a qualifying offer of $9M will be hard to swallow when Sanderson, JBD, Pinto, and Zub all need raises.

 

[Micklebot]

We didn't use it for a top 4 D though. Its poor management. Also dropping Brown knowing the situation of Formenton is just another example of poor management

Brown is an asset that you can trade anytime.

Well, we're still searching for a top 4 D, and that 3 mil in savings doesn't disappear, we still have it.

It's great you think it was poor management, but they had a budget to fit everything into that you or I aren't privy to. A deal on a top 4 D never materialized but that doesn't mean it's the wrong decision to get yourself set up to accommodate one of that's your gameplan. Brown also told them he was one foot out the door, keeping a disgruntled player around has ramifications.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Jakob Chychrun $4.6M
Zack Kassian $3.2M

for

Alex DeBrincat $6.4M
Mathieu Joseph $2.95
Erik Brännström $900K
2024 2nd

Thoughts?

This is undervaluing DeBrincat.

But you nailed the 2024 2nd. Pierre would insist on it.

 

[Qward]

The only way I am trading Debrincat is if we get Bedard and we need to move Norris to the wing.

 

[JungleBeat]

Devils improved their team and have superior centre depth. Dorion should take notes.

 

[Micklebot]

Devils improved their team and have superior centre depth. Dorion should take notes.

NJD are an interesting case study, it's not often you see a strong backend almost built entirely on trades and UFA signings in the last 3 seasons. Idk if that's reproducible.

2022, Marino trade acquisition
2022, Smith UFA signing
2021, Hamilton UFA signing
2021, Graves trade acquisition
2021, Siegenthaler trade acquisition
2019, Bahl trade acquisition


2012, Severson, drafted 60 OA

 

[Bileur]

To be fair to Dorion, the Brown move was almost certainly made because of salary constraints.

Once Giroux signed his 6.5M deal, money had to leave out the door. Brown's 4M salary was the easiest to move.

Of course you could argue his mismanagement of cap elsewhere and the buyouts/retention of Murray, White and MDZ didn't help in that regard.

To be fair, Dorion has also said he still has flexibility to take on more salary so I don’t think it’s a question of internal limit. If you take out Motte’s 1.4 cap hit, the Sens had/have enough cap room for Brown’s hit.

I’d also suggest that Brown for a 2nd isn’t a hard deal to make on short notice in the event a trade for a defenseman does become possible.

 

[Bileur]

Jakob Chychrun $4.6M
Zack Kassian $3.2M

for

Alex DeBrincat $6.4M
Mathieu Joseph $2.95
Erik Brännström $900K
2024 2nd

Thoughts?

Kassian is cooked and we should try to avoid that cap hit for next season.

I think you’re undervaluing Cat.

 

[NyQuil]

Devils improved their team and have superior centre depth. Dorion should take notes.

Hischier 14-8-9-17 vs. Norris 5-1-1-2
Hughes 15-5-10-15 vs. Stutzle 15-5-10-15
Haula 15-0-5-5 vs. Pinto 15-8-1-9
Mccleod 15-1-6-7 vs. Kastelic 15-2-1-3

Meh.

When it comes to the Devils I think Ruff has more to do with it than the personnel.

He has them playing a system based on puck pressure in all zones and work ethic.

 

[Pinto Bean]

Jakob Chychrun $4.6M
Zack Kassian $3.2M

for

Alex DeBrincat $6.4M
Mathieu Joseph $2.95
Erik Brännström $900K
2024 2nd

Thoughts?

I can get behind something like this. Although I don't think ARZ does. They'd probably want a more future-oriented package or a player with more contractual control than Cat.

As a Sens fan, I'd also rather steer clear of JC. That being said, if it was a Right Shot dman who wasn't as injured then this is the type of deal I'd definetly like to go for

But ya the general basis of DeBrincat for a Defensemen is where I'd like to see the team go. No disrespect to Cat who is a great player but it'd just help the structure of this team more IMO.

 

[Psycroptic86]

Don't really think they would help move the needle much
This team needs a competent coach and top 4 D more than anything

I agree with you. It's time to move on from DJ.

Some have foresight!

You're not wrong.

 

[Hale The Villain]

NJD are an interesting case study, it's not often you see a strong backend almost built entirely on trades and UFA signings in the last 3 seasons. Idk if that's reproducible.

2022, Marino trade acquisition
2022, Smith UFA signing
2021, Hamilton UFA signing
2021, Graves trade acquisition
2021, Siegenthaler trade acquisition
2019, Bahl trade acquisition


2012, Severson, drafted 60 OA

They correctly identified when good D came available and did all they could to acquire them.

Nothing was stopping us from trading for Marino, Graves and Siegenthaler, other than our terrible pro scouting.

We aren't going to be able to sign big fish like Hamilton via UFA, but NJ is the perfect example of a team that recognized they needed to improve their defense drastically if they were going to make the playoffs and are reaping the benefits of doing so.

Meanwhile our biggest D acquisitions the past couple years have been Hamonic and Del Zotto

 

[bicboi64]

As much as I'd like Chychrun, I'd like someone who's healthy enough to play right now. Unless Arizona accepts a stupidly awful deal (2024 1st, 2nd, Boucher, Brannstrom, Zaitsev), not sure if JC is worth it right now.

Only immediate move I can think of is overpaying for Roy off LA. LA could benefit from an upgrade on Arvidsson and if they want to go deep while they have a bunch of guys on cheap ELC deals, they might be willing to acquire a rental. I'd consider moving DeBrincat and someone like Brannstrom if both Roy and Walker, one of their numerous cooking prospects and a 1st.

Honestly, don't trust Dorion to make any moves though so i'm good to hang tight

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Hischier 14-8-9-17 vs. Norris 5-1-1-2
Hughes 15-5-10-15 vs. Stutzle 15-5-10-15
Haula 15-0-5-5 vs. Pinto 15-8-1-9
Mccleod 15-1-6-7 vs. Kastelic 15-2-1-3

Meh.

When it comes to the Devils I think Ruff has more to do with it than the personnel.

He has them playing a system based on puck pressure in all zones and work ethic.

And their breakout looked lethal against us. Tape to tape up the ice

 

[Hale The Villain]

As much as I'd like Chychrun, I'd like someone who's healthy enough to play right now. Unless Arizona accepts a stupidly awful deal (2024 1st, 2nd, Boucher, Brannstrom, Zaitsev), not sure if JC is worth it right now.

Only immediate move I can think of is overpaying for Roy off LA. LA could benefit from an upgrade on Arvidsson and if they want to go deep while they have a bunch of guys on cheap ELC deals, they might be willing to acquire a rental. I'd consider moving DeBrincat and someone like Brannstrom if both Roy and Walker, one of their numerous cooking prospects and a 1st.

Honestly, don't trust Dorion to make any moves though so i'm good to hang tight

I'd hope Dorion learned his lesson about future unprotected 1sts after giving up the 1st that turned into Byram, and on the other side of the coin getting Stutzle from San Jose.

If AZ wants a 2023 1st I don't see Chychrun becoming an Senator. I'd put a lot more money on him becoming a Leaf now that it appears Muzzin is going to be stranded on Robidas Island for the next couple years.

 

[bicboi64]

If AZ wants a 2023 1st I don't see Chychrun becoming an Senator. I'd put a lot more money on him becoming a Leaf now that it appears Muzzin is going to be stranded on Robidas Island for the next couple years.

If Brodie ends up being out long term, Leafs might pull a Tampa and try finessing the LTIR.

Watch them give up Holl, Robertson and a 1st for Chychrun. They'll be entering the playoffs with a d core of

Rielly Chychrun
Sandin Brodie
Gio LIljegren with Muzzin stepping in if he's at 100.

And then they lose in the first round again.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I'd rather overpay for Zub than get Chychrun with his injury history and let Zub walk.

 

[HSF]

I'd rather overpay for Zub than get Chychrun with his injury history and let Zub walk.

we need both