Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Hale The Villain]

He isnt that replaceable though thats the point. You need some vets, he is really hard to play against.

This year I agree he's not replaceable.

But after this season Formenton should be back, Greig may be ready if he can stop getting injured, and Jarventie and Crookshank will be pushing for ice-time. Ostapchuk is our future Paul replacement and he's looking like he's only a couple years away.

I get why they decided to trade him, but throwing similar money at Joseph to be less successful playing on the 3rd line was a mistake.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Its about 2.5 million more the team has plenty of cap space and with all the LTIR money they would be laughing. I think Dorion has done a very poor job of identifying the players that are actually good. Paul and Joseph are basically a wash.


He isnt that replaceable though thats the point. You need some vets, he is really hard to play against.

We don’t have any players on LTIR, as no benefit atm.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think our GM could handle this psychologically.

Lol, quite possibly. His overlord is not around anymore though, so who knows.

 

[sensens]

Id never do that. Why do people think they need to give up such prime assets for a guy that is a salary dump. Imagine how thin this forward group would be without Joseph and Grieg and the disruption of the room this type of move would have. Karlsson has been aweful outside of this year since he's been traded. His body is a mess.

I'm certainly not suggesting it's the best idea in the world... just a very interesting one. I'd speculated a long time ago that SJ made a serious error by trying to have two #1 offensive D-men, and I've seen nothing that detracts from that opinion. In fact, it's quite possible that Karlsson is showing what he's always been capable of when allowed to be 'the guy'. Ironically, the Senators may have made a similar mistake by adding DeBrincat without any clear plan around things like PP deployment, line structure, how to play a 40G winger in combination with a 35G centre, etc.

I don't disagree about the health issues, but I'm not sure I agree about the disruption in the room. Karlsson wants to win as badly as anyone, and the training wheels need to come off this group. Expectations have been raised, and for guys like Giroux and Karlsson they don't have years to wait. It's all well and fine for the guys in the locker room to get along well, but if nobody is being held accountable they're never going to win anything. It's also pretty clear to me that the PP could be taken to another level with a true PP QB leading the way, not to mention the fact that Chabot could use the healthy competition for ice time.

 

[Xspyrit]

I really like Joseph but yeah Paul would have been really important to keep, particularly since we still can't play a good team defense... Paul is a premium defensive forward and has now 23 pts in 36 RS games with Tampa

It's Boro's offensive production in his last three seasons with Ottawa. I don't think it can be used to compare Brannstrom's offensively ability to Boro, there isn't a conversation there.

If the conversation is about Brannstrom's effectiveness to create offense to this point, I think it's interesting. If you think Brannstrom has been a player who creates offense it puts the results into perspective. He hasn't shown he can be relied on to consistently create, we've seen flashes and the potential is absolutely there but consistency isn't there yet.

Just to clarify because I fully expect my words to be taken the wrong way. Brannstrom has the ability to contribute offensively, he has been a force from time to time. I don't think he is at a point where you can expect those contributions regularly. I think it's important that he continues to get opportunities to prove he can be that player for us.

Yeah not comparable as he was in his late 20's. It also includes his career season (18 pts). I'd bet that Brannstrom will eventually have significantly more than that

Brannstrom is good at "creating offense" but he hasn't been getting enough tangible results. First, he never scores with his shot even if it's pretty heavy. He gets glorious chances but seems to be missing the net by an inch or two every single time

He has the highest ES xGF/60 on the team, was on the ice for 11 ES GF but only 2 assists.

I personally think he would be in a much better place elsewhere, like the Bruins for example, a team that is well coached/managed. Well, who knows? Things might change if the team gets sold but until then,. we are in big question marks

The site I used was obviously wrong. Apologies.

EDIT: I had not removed the filter on the NHL stats site so it only summarized his last 3 years in Ottawa.

Oh yeah Guuse figured out. I could maybe have figured it out too but I have been sick like a zombie so the brain is lazy

 

[HSF]

Ottawa should still do this and would go a long way in fixing our defense for the next 2 years

 

[GoSenatorsGo]

Ottawa should still do this and would go a long way in fixing our defense for the next 2 years

My money is on the Leafs. With Muzzin and Brodie out they need to do something

 

[Bileur]

Interesting noise around the idea of Erik Karlsson being a potential target. Hard to know what kind of % retention would be required to even make that feasible on both sides... even at 40% retention, it would leave him at $6.9M AAV for the next 5 years.

Not sure how close this is, but something premised around...
TO SJ : Brannstrom, Zaitsev, 1st (2024), 2nd (2023)
TO OTT : Karlsson (40% Retention)

The upside is that the remaining actual $$$ on Karlsson's contract amounts to just $41M, which after 40% retention would be about $4.9M/yr in actual payment. But the fundamental question remains as to whether it would be positive move for the team.

What noise is that?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

My money is on the Leafs. With Muzzin and Brodie out they need to do something

They don't have much to offer

 

[HSF]

My money is he lands with the Leafs. With Muzzin and Brodie out they need to do something

would be a mistake by the sens to pass and let him go there

greig should be on the table if robertson or knies are

 

[dumbdick]

Sens should convince columbus to tank and trade us Andrew Peeke. Solid cheap RHD minute muncher that can play in the top 4 and is signed for three years.

Send Matt Joseph the other way.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Sens should trade Joseph. He can be replaced internally.

 

[HSF]

They don't have much to offer

knies (arizona boy) or robertson is pretty good with a 1st

 

[bicboi64]

Brannstrom is good at "creating offense" but he hasn't been getting enough tangible results. First, he never scores with his shot even if it's pretty heavy. He gets glorious chances but seems to be missing the net by an inch or two every single time

He has the highest ES xGF/60 on the team, was on the ice for 11 ES GF but only 2 assists.

I personally think he would be in a much better place elsewhere, like the Bruins for example, a team that is well coached/managed. Well, who knows? Things might change if the team gets sold but until then,. we are in big question marks

With Connor Clifton playing really well, maybe one of Boston's RD might be available. Carlo is injury prone, but if we can get him in exchange for Brannstrom and a draft pick, it might work for both teams. We get a top 4RD (assuming he is healthy enough to play), and the Bruins get some cap space to sign Clifton, can develop Brannstrom, and get some picks they spent on Lindholm

I'm actually curious to gauge how our fan base views the Paul-Joseph trade with the subsequent extensions signed by both players.

My view? I think the trade was bad. Players like Joseph are dime a dozen. Paul is unique on the other hand and has been utilized heavily by a team described as the closest thing to a modern dynasty we have.

Joseph lit it up in a small sample size and was given a long-term extension at the same money Nick Paul wanted from Ottawa.

Regardless of how Joseph did in his brief stint last season, you don't give bottom six players long-term deals with minimum sample size. Our management has a pretty bad history with doing that (especially with backup goalies).

I don't think the move is crippling, but it's a pretty bad move IMO. Curious to see if others view it the same.

I don't think the trade is bad, just the Joseph extension is bad. The gamble on his contract hasn't worked out, but at the same time, Paul in Ottawa probably costs more than whatever he signed for in Tampa.

 

[h2]

With Connor Clifton playing really well, maybe one of Boston's RD might be available. Carlo is injury prone, but if we can get him in exchange for Brannstrom and a draft pick, it might work for both teams. We get a top 4RD (assuming he is healthy enough to play), and the Bruins get some cap space to sign Clifton, can develop Brannstrom, and get some picks they spent on Lindholm


I don't think the trade is bad, just the Joseph extension is bad. The gamble on his contract hasn't worked out, but at the same time, Paul in Ottawa probably costs more than whatever he signed for in Tampa.

I don't think that last part is accurate. The ask for Ottawa by Paul was always reported to be around 3m.

 

[bert]

Ottawa should still do this and would go a long way in fixing our defense for the next 2 years

Trading futures for a player that plays a position of strength when they are 3rd last in the league? No that's not the move.

With Connor Clifton playing really well, maybe one of Boston's RD might be available. Carlo is injury prone, but if we can get him in exchange for Brannstrom and a draft pick, it might work for both teams. We get a top 4RD (assuming he is healthy enough to play), and the Bruins get some cap space to sign Clifton, can develop Brannstrom, and get some picks they spent on Lindholm


I don't think the trade is bad, just the Joseph extension is bad. The gamble on his contract hasn't worked out, but at the same time, Paul in Ottawa probably costs more than whatever he signed for in Tampa.

All Paul wanted was 3 million per to stay they said no. He got that contract after the playoff run. This team needs a new GM.

would be a mistake by the sens to pass and let him go there

greig should be on the table if robertson or knies are

No they shouldn't be trading Grieg for a LD when they have Chabot and Sanderson and they are a lottery team.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I didn't see the rest of this conversation but your last sentence is becoming one of the most tiring on this page recently. It's not you, it's just that mentality.

"XXX isn't the problem"

No, but he isn't much of a solution either.

We can and absolutely should upgrade on him next year, I'd even still bring him back on a 1 year ~1M deal to be our number 7. This teams biggest need is the same thing that it was going into the draft, a top 4 RHD.

He had chem with Branny and it was effective at not getting beat or hemmed by other teams bottom 6. But Holden with Zaitsev and Hamonic yeah that’s a catastrophe

 

[bicboi64]

I don't think that last part is accurate. The ask for Ottawa by Paul was always reported to be around 3m.

All Paul wanted was 3 million per to stay they said no. He got that contract after the playoff run. This team needs a new GM.

Are there any reputable sources that substantiate that Paul only wanted $3 million long term?

Cuz if that's true, Dorion is dumber than I thought he was

 

[Alex1234]

Trading futures for a player that plays a position of strength when they are 3rd last in the league? No that's not the move.


All Paul wanted was 3 million per to stay they said no. He got that contract after the playoff run. This team needs a new GM.


No they shouldn't be trading Grieg for a LD when they have Chabot and Sanderson and they are a lottery team.

This
People don't realize how far we are from competing for a PO spot let alone make some noise.

 

[h2]

Are there any reputable sources that substantiate that Paul only wanted $3 million long term?

Cuz if that's true, Dorion is dumber than I thought he was

 

[Dionysus]

No panic trade please.

 

[Que]

I really don’t care about Paul leaving. He would have started the season as a winger or 4th line center. I just don’t care. Joseph is a really good player.

Sanderson - Karlsson would be an absolute treat to watch.

Imagine going into the playoffs with Chabot - Zub as the 2nd pairing.

 

[Ouroboros]

Is Chabot for Chychrun the deal to make?

 

[Karl Prime]

Is Chabot for Chychrun the deal to make?

Arizona wants more than that.

 

[camZ]

Is Chabot for Chychrun the deal to make?

No, but chabot being out for 7 days minimum is a blessing and a curse.

Brann JBD and Sandy all get a lot of extra ice time, and Pp time, and we can see how the teams reacts with our the minute muncher playing

Now for the curse, DJ will realize chabot missed what 3, or 4 games and needs to make up the ice time, Incoming 35+ minute games lol