Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Burrowsaurus]

JBD had a couple of errors in his last game which are not surprising for a rookie. One was a flubbed pass up the middle which was intercepted. The other was he got beaten to the outside by a speedy winger. Still I like what I have seen so far and expect him to improve as he gets more experience.

We still need a big, physical D man like Chara or Parayko or Pronger.

Well chara and pronger are the only two guys that are like chara and promger. You may need to lower your expectations.

 

[Cosmix]

There appears to be much support here for bringing Dylan DeMelo back to the Sens. My opinion is that any team with playoff aspirations wouldn't be wise to play DeMelo in their top four. He's clearly a bottom pairing defenseman at this point.

I agree. We need a top 4 D man, preferably a top 2. However, we also need to get rid of 2 expensive D men (Zaitsev and Hamonic) in order to afford a true top 2 D man. I doubt we get a top 2 D man at this time via a trade. We should use JBD and Thomson now to see how they are progressing. I do not expect either of them to become top 2 D men.

Well chara and pronger are the only two guys that are like chara and promger. You may need to lower your expectations.

My "expectations" are quite different from what we "need".

 

[BUCKLE UP]

I've got a feeling we're going to end up with Mike Reilly again to replace Chabot. It's going to make me big sad.

 

[aragorn]

We do not have the dmen on our team to make a shutdown pair

Holden is starting to show his age where he is still an nhl dman but should probably not be playing every game and definitely not in back to backs
Hamonic is looking like a #6 dman being asked to play a top 4 role
Zaitsev...LOL

the closest option for us would be to have Zub play with Sanderson to form a shut down pair

Chabot-XXXX
Sanderson-Zub
Bran-Holden/Hamonic

Right now we have JBD in the empty slot but ideally he would get bumped down to third pairing (to bring him along slowly) not because he doesnt have the potential.

Bran can be replaced and will probably be replaced within the next 2 years but not for the logic you are saying at least not right now.

Yes we do, Holden - Zub could be a shutdown tandem, they already use Holden & Hamonic on the PK as a shutdown tandem. If JBD can play with Chabot that frees up Zub to play a more defensive role which they need. They have to reduce their shots on net & goals against.

Well, that's definitely true. Once they get Zub back, and assuming that they put him with Chabot again, it will be interesting to see what they do with JBD. I wouldn't mind seeing what JBD could do with Sanderson, but I could see some reluctance about having 2 rookies playing together on the same pair. So, maybe that's more of a longer term move.

If all the above were to occur, that would give us Hamonic, Holden and Brannstrom to divide up the 5th & 6th defender minutes. Otherwise, maybe they put JBD on the bottom pair, and stick with Hamonic with Sanderson as the 2nd pair. I think they'll have 7 defenders handy, ready and getting some games because injuries happen often enough as we've seen already. That won't align with your well-known crusade to get rid of Brannstrom of course. Brannstrom can be an PP#2 option if that is necessary, so hence, that's another reason to have him around.

Once Zub is healthy maybe he plays somewhere else & they leave JBD with Chabot. Having Zub play a shutdown role would help reduce the goals against which is what they need to fix asap.

I don’t know about replacing Brannstrom. Holden seems to have lost another step and is looking to be done. I D love a big physical 3rd pair LD to replace Brannstrom but we don’t have an internal replacement. Having both Holden and Zaitsev out of the everyday lineup should go a long way towards stabilizing the back end.

This will likely be Holden's last yr, we do have an internal replacement in Kleven if he is NHL ready when he arrives at the end of this yr when his school yr is over. Taking Holden out leaves us small & soft on the backend & they need to reduce their goals against.

Off topic. Did you see that kid from Nashville and Reaves the other night?

I did not but just looked it up, that guy has balls going up against Reaves & did alright. He's got good numbers too, maybe a trade option. I like big tough guys who can also play & have some skill with their game.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Yes we do, Holden - Zub could be a shutdown tandem, they already use Holden & Hamonic on the PK as a shutdown tandem. If JBD can play with Chabot that frees up Zub to play a more defensive role which they need. They have to reduce their shots on net & goals against.

Once Zub is healthy maybe he plays somewhere else & they leave JBD with Chabot. Having Zub play a shutdown role would help reduce the goals against which is what they need to fix asap.

This will likely be Holden's last yr, we do have an internal replacement in Kleven if he is NHL ready when he arrives at the end of this yr when his school yr is over. Taking Holden out leaves us small & soft on the backend & they need to reduce their goals against.

I did not but just looked it up, that guy has balls going up against Reaves & did alright. He's got good numbers too, maybe a trade option. I like big tough guys who can also play & have some skill with their game.

Playing Zub on the third pair seems like a really bad idea.

Playing Holden in the top 4 is not gonna work at this stage of his career.

I do not see a fit here.

 

[bicboi64]

Just to clarify because I fully expect my words to be taken the wrong way. Brannstrom has the ability to contribute offensively, he has been a force from time to time. I don't think he is at a point where you can expect those contributions regularly. I think it's important that he continues to get opportunities to prove he can be that player for us.

I like the way you worded this.

I just want Brannstrom to get more ice time to show us whether we can have someone that can move the puck up and down and contribute offensively. He has the tools, just needs game time to show us. If he doesn't, we can move on from him, but if he does, we're lacking on D and giving a defender the change to refine his skills can only help us

 

[Yak]

Sandy and Zub would be awesome pairing! Just saying! But Hammer and Sandy are fine together but I doubt Hammer is back after this year and if he is is 3rd pairing or 7th D-Man.

I really like Holden maybe we find a job for him in player development with Sens or B-Sens for next year.

Branny is not going to fit in with our current roster construction.

Half our defense needs replacing.

 

[bicboi64]

Honestly hoping we don't keep both Hamonic and Holden for next year. Maybe Hamonic if he's willing to take a salary cut of just $1 million, but we really should acquire a top RD to play beside Chabot or Sanderson. Bottom pairing defenders are easy to find and one of JBD/Thomson ought to be 3RD and 3LD isn't hard to find at all (hopefully Kleven can step up), but the $4 million we're spending on Hamonic and Holden really should be cut down to $1 million for one of em

 

[GCK]

Honestly hoping we don't keep both Hamonic and Holden for next year. Maybe Hamonic if he's willing to take a salary cut of just $1 million, but we really should acquire a top RD to play beside Chabot or Sanderson. Bottom pairing defenders are easy to find and one of JBD/Thomson ought to be 3RD and 3LD isn't hard to find at all (hopefully Kleven can step up), but the $4 million we're spending on Hamonic and Holden really should be cut down to $1 million for one of em

Kleven will need some seasoning in the AHL. I wouldn’t look for him in the rotation until 2024/25 at the earliest.

 

[Six Assets]

Branny is not going to fit in with our current roster construction.

his not fit for the nhl

 

[sensens]

I've got a feeling we're going to end up with Mike Reilly again to replace Chabot. It's going to make me big sad.

That's certainly the most obvious move... low-cost, addresses the immediate LHD issue, and it yields a somewhat known quantity in return. It could also be argued that it would improve the RHD situation when everyone is healthy, because Brannstrom & Holden are both capable of switching over to RHD. Unfortunately, it's really just adding another 3rd pairing option to the mix, as opposed to a legitimate top-4 upgrade.

Personally, I would have preferred Ethan Bear... not sure how it's possible they missed out on that, given that Carolina was willing to eat $400K and give up an AHL asset in exchange for nothing more than a 5th round pick. Watch the Bruins make off with a 2nd round pick or something absurd from Dorion for Reilly, when he could have just claimed him off waivers a week ago for nothing.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Would any of y'all be interested in a Debrincat for a top 4 RHD, Kaliyev, and 2023 1st sort of deal if contract talks don't go well?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Would any of y'all be interested in a Debrincat for a top 4 RHD, Kaliyev, and 2023 1st sort of deal if contract talks don't go well?

absolutly that could be a steal depending on the D.

I feel like Kaliyev and Stutzle would compliement each other very well. Kaliyev is becoming a very strong board player.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

absolutly that could be a steal depending on the D.

I feel like Kaliyev and Stutzle would compliement each other very well. Kaliyev is becoming a very strong board player.

Kings fans don't want to it seems. LHD and goalie are their most pressing needs.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Okay I was thinking maybe a three way trade between Jets, Kings, and Sens?



Jets give up Dillon
Kings give up a good RHD.
Sens give up a forward.



Jets receive the forward.
Kings receive Dillon.
Sens receives the RHD.



Just curious what RHD needs to come back and what's the best forward Sens would give up in this deal?

 

[bert]

I've got a feeling we're going to end up with Mike Reilly again to replace Chabot. It's going to make me big sad.

You know he hasn't been that bad but Chabots play has been similar to peak Mike Reilly. Which speaks to how poor he has been. Reilly is one of my least favorite players this organization has ever had. Just call up Thompson for christ sakes.

 

[bert]

Would any of y'all be interested in a Debrincat for a top 4 RHD, Kaliyev, and 2023 1st sort of deal if contract talks don't go well?

The RHD would have to he really good. Quantity for quality trades rarely work out for the team getting the quantity. I don't think trading this teams 40 goal scorer for depth pieces is how you build a winning team.

This team needs a new GM. Great to bring in Debrincat and Giroux. But the choices of Paul over Joseph, giving away Connor Brown without confirming if they'll have formenton. Not addressing the D core in the offseason and hiring DJ Smith fall directly on Dorion. This team needs someone to take the org to the next level and it's not him. The route of the teams issues is PD.

 

[GCK]

You know he hasn't been that bad but Chabots play has been similar to peak Mike Reilly. Which speaks to how poor he has been. Reilly is one of my least favorite players this organization has ever had. Just call up Thompson for christ sakes.

If our forwards committed to playing 2 way hockey like the leaf forwards have we could survive a subpar D corps.

 

[bert]

If our forwards committed to playing 2 way hockey like the leaf forwards have we could survive a subpar D corps.

They have a way better coach in all fairness.

 

[GCK]

The RHD would have to he really good. Quantity for quality trades rarely work out for the team getting the quantity. I don't think trading this teams 40 goal scorer for depth pieces is how you build a winning team.

This team needs a new GM. Great to bring in Debrincat and Giroux. But the choices of Paul over Joseph, giving away Connor Brown without confirming if they'll have formenton. Not addressing the D core in the offseason and hiring DJ Smith fall directly on Dorion. This team needs someone to take the org to the next level and it's not him. The route of the teams issues is PD.

Each of those moves MIGHT be understandable in isolation but as a whole they missed the boat.

Giroux was exactly what this team needed.

Debrincat was a luxury which took up 9M of budget which should have been allocated to D and depth.

Joseph for Paul. I understood it until we overpaid Joseph, doesn’t make sense with 12M allocated to Joseph.

Trading Brown rather than keeping him as a Formenton hedge. The dollars committed to Debrincat and Giroux made it tough but again Debrincat was a luxury that seemed like overkill at the time. I’d argue having an unhappy player is not worth it.

Lots of supposition on how we view things. We don’t Paul’s ask, we weren’t at Brown’s exit interview, we don’t have the Formenton situation and we don’t know the exact budget. We do know that 9M could pay for a decent top 4 D and Brown.

They have a way better coach in all fairness.

I completely agree that Keefe AND staff are much better but our young forwards are pretty terrible defensively which usually improves with experience.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Okay I was thinking maybe a three way trade between Jets, Kings, and Sens?



Jets give up Dillon
Kings give up a good RHD.
Sens give up a forward.



Jets receive the forward.
Kings receive Dillon.
Sens receives the RHD.



Just curious what RHD needs to come back and what's the best forward Sens would give up in this deal?

Lucky kings getting Dillon!

 

[Pinto Bean]

Would any of y'all be interested in a Debrincat for a top 4 RHD, Kaliyev, and 2023 1st sort of deal if contract talks don't go well?

That would be a steal for the Sens. Every fan base in the league wouldn't be interested in that type of deal.

Trading a winger for a right shot dman instantly means the defencemen in return will not be as good as the winger in question as you're arguably trading the least valuable position in hockey for the most valuable. Add a 2023 1st AND a promising young player? That would be a horrendous trade for the Kings.

 

[Cosmix]

Yes we do, Holden - Zub could be a shutdown tandem, they already use Holden & Hamonic on the PK as a shutdown tandem. If JBD can play with Chabot that frees up Zub to play a more defensive role which they need. They have to reduce their shots on net & goals against.

Once Zub is healthy maybe he plays somewhere else & they leave JBD with Chabot. Having Zub play a shutdown role would help reduce the goals against which is what they need to fix asap.

This will likely be Holden's last yr, we do have an internal replacement in Kleven if he is NHL ready when he arrives at the end of this yr when his school yr is over. Taking Holden out leaves us small & soft on the backend & they need to reduce their goals against.

I did not but just looked it up, that guy has balls going up against Reaves & did alright. He's got good numbers too, maybe a trade option. I like big tough guys who can also play & have some skill with their game.

I do not see Holden as tough to play against. He is slow and soft and like you I doubt he will be signed for another season.

Chabot and Zub make a decent top pair; however, Chabot must start to play better including more physically and fewer errors.

We need a top 4 D to play with Sanderson, moving Hamonic back to 3rd pair to play with one of Brannstrom, JBD, Thomson or Kleven.

I agree the team needs to cut down GA. That will require better defensive play without the puck by the Fs. It can be done but some of the offence will be sacrificed by focusing on defensive play.

 

[Cosmix]

Honestly hoping we don't keep both Hamonic and Holden for next year. Maybe Hamonic if he's willing to take a salary cut of just $1 million, but we really should acquire a top RD to play beside Chabot or Sanderson. Bottom pairing defenders are easy to find and one of JBD/Thomson ought to be 3RD and 3LD isn't hard to find at all (hopefully Kleven can step up), but the $4 million we're spending on Hamonic and Holden really should be cut down to $1 million for one of em

Hamonic will not sign here for $1M. Holden might but we should do better.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Okay I was thinking maybe a three way trade between Jets, Kings, and Sens?



Jets give up Dillon
Kings give up a good RHD.
Sens give up a forward.



Jets receive the forward.
Kings receive Dillon.
Sens receives the RHD.



Just curious what RHD needs to come back and what's the best forward Sens would give up in this deal?

Lucky kings getting Dillon!

Ya, I'm trying to understand the LAK's motivation in all of this.