Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Cosmix]

I hate this Vancouver chatter. Watch us be stupid enough to trade for Miller.

Our GM has done dumb shit trades before, so . . .

What was lost in all the finger pointing at Brannstrom is how terribly Holden played the situation, he's first on scene to provide Brannstrom an option, but let's Bastion sneak past him and get some free space to make that play happen, he might as well have not been there at all he was so badly abused. Both Kastelic and Brannstrom get caught chasing the puck instead of picking up the next threat

As an aside, I hadn't noticed earlier but Kastelic gave Brannstrom a wicked slash to the face in his failed attempt at preventing the goal with stick checking instead of picking up bodies.

I am not a big fan of Holden as he is slow and not very physical and does not fight. We need a big tough D man.

 

[Micklebot]

Watched demelo last night. Looked good I think he gets underrated here

He's fine, but he's not really what we need, imo. I wouldn't complain if he was here but he isn't a solution he's a bandaid.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This

He's fine, but he's not really what we need, imo. I wouldn't complain if he was here but he isn't a solution he's a bandaid.

i think he’s a large improvement on Hamonic. If the price is right there’s nothing wrong with a bandaid

And he’s shown chemistry with Chabot which is a large bonus

 

[aragorn]

Brannstrom has coughed up the puck a few times lately with bad end results and that has been noticeable. But, a singular focus on Brannstrom doesn't seem warranted. Chabot has also made as many or more guffaws that has resulted in goals ending up in our net. Hamonic has made a few, similar errors as well. Chabot's effectiveness and good play has noticeably decreased this year. At the end of a game, or in overtime, you have to grimace when Chabot is on the ice as a goal against seems rather too predicable. I'm not sure what's happened with Thomas or why his play has declined, but he's been in a noticeable funk in the "defending" department.

They can't make 3 or 4 changes on D at once, they can only make one at a time. Once Zub comes back he should replace Brannstrom, give us a legitimate shutdown pairing & then see what else needs to be done. I expect that upgrading on Holden would be next given his age & contractual situation maybe at the TDL & then Hamonic either in the summer or next yr if they re-sign him.

 

[Micklebot]

This

i think he’s a large improvement on Hamonic. If the price is right there’s nothing wrong with a bandaid

And he’s shown chemistry with Chabot which is a large bonus

Hamonic is much more physical and has a much better shot. We don't have a particularly physical backend as it is, switching from Hamonic to DeMelo would compound that.

I'm fine with the idea of upgrading Hamonic, but you've got to keep roles in mind. Swapping the two might improve us in one aspect but it puts us in a hole in another. I don't think the improvement DeMelo offers defensively is signicant enough to offset the loss. If we're going to upgrade on Hamonic there are better targets out there.

 

[TheNewEra]

They can't make 3 or 4 changes on D at once, they can only make one at a time. Once Zub comes back he should replace Brannstrom, give us a legitimate shutdown pairing & then see what else needs to be done. I expect that upgrading on Holden would be next given his age & contractual situation maybe at the TDL & then Hamonic either in the summer or next yr if they re-sign him.

We do not have the dmen on our team to make a shutdown pair

Holden is starting to show his age where he is still an nhl dman but should probably not be playing every game and definitely not in back to backs
Hamonic is looking like a #6 dman being asked to play a top 4 role
Zaitsev...LOL

the closest option for us would be to have Zub play with Sanderson to form a shut down pair

Chabot-XXXX
Sanderson-Zub
Bran-Holden/Hamonic

Right now we have JBD in the empty slot but ideally he would get bumped down to third pairing (to bring him along slowly) not because he doesnt have the potential.

Bran can be replaced and will probably be replaced within the next 2 years but not for the logic you are saying at least not right now.

 

[Big Muddy]

They can't make 3 or 4 changes on D at once, they can only make one at a time. Once Zub comes back he should replace Brannstrom, give us a legitimate shutdown pairing & then see what else needs to be done. I expect that upgrading on Holden would be next given his age & contractual situation maybe at the TDL & then Hamonic either in the summer or next yr if they re-sign him.

Well, that's definitely true. Once they get Zub back, and assuming that they put him with Chabot again, it will be interesting to see what they do with JBD. I wouldn't mind seeing what JBD could do with Sanderson, but I could see some reluctance about having 2 rookies playing together on the same pair. So, maybe that's more of a longer term move.

If all the above were to occur, that would give us Hamonic, Holden and Brannstrom to divide up the 5th & 6th defender minutes. Otherwise, maybe they put JBD on the bottom pair, and stick with Hamonic with Sanderson as the 2nd pair. I think they'll have 7 defenders handy, ready and getting some games because injuries happen often enough as we've seen already. That won't align with your well-known crusade to get rid of Brannstrom of course. Brannstrom can be an PP#2 option if that is necessary, so hence, that's another reason to have him around.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Hamonic is much more physical and has a much better shot. We don't have a particularly physical backend as it is, switching from Hamonic to DeMelo would compound that.

I'm fine with the idea of upgrading Hamonic, but you've got to keep roles in mind. Swapping the two might improve us in one aspect but it puts us in a hole in another. I don't think the improvement DeMelo offers defensively is signicant enough to offset the loss. If we're going to upgrade on Hamonic there are better targets out there.

Hamonic has shown how not physical he is. Or at least the impact of his physicality is negligible. I mean just last game garland bullied him physically behind the net.

If you prefer Hamonic fine. But not wanting to swap him out because of how physical he is…. I dono.

 

[DJB]

We are no doubt missing a top 4 D man.

I wonder if Dorion starts mulling Chychrun a little more

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

We are no doubt missing a top 4 D man.

I wonder if Dorion starts mulling Chychrun a little more

I hope not. Kid is a walking band-aid at this point.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

We are no doubt missing a top 4 D man.

I wonder if Dorion starts mulling Chychrun a little more

I’m sure he’s been checking in

 

[GCK]

Watched demelo last night. Looked good I think he gets underrated here

I don’t see him as a big enough upgrade on Hamonic, if he is even an upgrade at all, to justify acquisition.

JBD had a couple of errors in his last game which are not surprising for a rookie. One was a flubbed pass up the middle which was intercepted. The other was he got beaten to the outside by a speedy winger. Still I like what I have seen so far and expect him to improve as he gets more experience.

We still need a big, physical D man like Chara or Parayko or Pronger.

JBD had a bad game overall yesterday.

 

[GCK]

They can't make 3 or 4 changes on D at once, they can only make one at a time. Once Zub comes back he should replace Brannstrom, give us a legitimate shutdown pairing & then see what else needs to be done. I expect that upgrading on Holden would be next given his age & contractual situation maybe at the TDL & then Hamonic either in the summer or next yr if they re-sign him.

I don’t know about replacing Brannstrom. Holden seems to have lost another step and is looking to be done. I D love a big physical 3rd pair LD to replace Brannstrom but we don’t have an internal replacement. Having both Holden and Zaitsev out of the everyday lineup should go a long way towards stabilizing the back end.

 

[bert]

Should have claimed Balcers. Miles better than Parker Kelly.

Not similar in any way. Haven't loved kellys game this year but atleast he plays with some physicality. Balcers is very soft, useless in that roll. Balcers has been dumped by 5 organizations now.

 

[Loach]

They can't make 3 or 4 changes on D at once, they can only make one at a time. Once Zub comes back he should replace Brannstrom, give us a legitimate shutdown pairing & then see what else needs to be done. I expect that upgrading on Holden would be next given his age & contractual situation maybe at the TDL & then Hamonic either in the summer or next yr if they re-sign him.

Off topic. Did you see that kid from Nashville and Reaves the other night?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Watched demelo last night. Looked good I think he gets underrated here

I remember everyone wanted him resigned to be Chabots partner.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Just for some context

Brannstrom 129 GP 2G 31A 33P (10 points came on PP).

Borowiecki 158GP. 11G 23A 34P (Zero PP points)

I’m guessing Ozone starts may skew towards Brannstrom

Just for some context, Boro had played 8 NHL games with zero points at Brannstrom's current age.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I remember everyone wanted him resigned to be Chabots partner.

They showed some chemistry. Sometimes that’s more valuable than the individual player.

Not similar in any way. Haven't loved kellys game this year but atleast he plays with some physicality. Balcers is very soft, useless in that roll. Balcers has been dumped by 5 organizations now.

I’m curious who will be taking watsons spot next year and Kelly’s if he continues to play like this.

 

[Xspyrit]

Norris, Fomenton, Zub, Chabot... That's already quite the list this early in the season (+ Talbot who was injured)

Claim Balcers. Our 4th line sucks.

3rd line sucks too

We have nothing outside of the big-6 (one is out for the season) and rookie Pinto

Joseph, Motte and Kastelic would be a nice 4th line

All of Gambrell, Watson, Brassard and Kelly should be the 13th forward (then you go with Brassard for sure)

Who would have thought?

Just for some context

Brannstrom 129 GP 2G 31A 33P (10 points came on PP).

Borowiecki 158GP. 11G 23A 34P (Zero PP points)

I’m guessing Ozone starts may skew towards Brannstrom

I have tried to figure it out but I have no idea what these cherry picked stats are. It took Boro 322 NHL games by the age of 29 y/o to match Brannstrom 33 pts

 

[Dionysus]

JBD had a couple of errors in his last game which are not surprising for a rookie. One was a flubbed pass up the middle which was intercepted. The other was he got beaten to the outside by a speedy winger. Still I like what I have seen so far and expect him to improve as he gets more experience.

We still need a big, physical D man like Chara or Parayko or Pronger.

Kleven is our hope for big physical D man. Not at the level of those guys though.

Hard to find one that combines physicality along with puck skills and skating. Chara, Pronger, Weber, even Parayko are unicorns.

 

[Senovision]

Off topic. Did you see that kid from Nashville and Reaves the other night?

Yes Reaves actually looked worried in that fight. That Nashville player was Tanner Jeannot.

 

[Loach]

Yes Reaves actually looked worried in that fight. That Nashville player was Tanner Jeannot.

It looked like he was happy to have somebody to play with. Kid got 24g and 41 pts last year. I wanted to give Aragorn a new crush. Lol. Shit. I would trade for him. Then flip Batherson for a top 4 rd and resign DBC. But I am a terrible judge of players.

 

[GCK]

Norris, Fomenton, Zub, Chabot... That's already quite the list this early in the season (+ Talbot who was injured)



3rd line sucks too

We have nothing outside of the big-6 (one is out for the season) and rookie Pinto

Joseph, Motte and Kastelic would be a nice 4th line

All of Gambrell, Watson, Brassard and Kelly should be the 13th forward (then you go with Brassard for sure)

Who would have thought?



I have tried to figure it out but I have no idea what these cherry picked stats are. It took Boro 322 NHL games by the age of 29 y/o to match Brannstrom 33 pts

The site I used was obviously wrong. Apologies.

EDIT: I had not removed the filter on the NHL stats site so it only summarized his last 3 years in Ottawa.

 

[Korpse]

I have tried to figure it out but I have no idea what these cherry picked stats are. It took Boro 322 NHL games by the age of 29 y/o to match Brannstrom 33 pts

It's Boro's offensive production in his last three seasons with Ottawa. I don't think it can be used to compare Brannstrom's offensively ability to Boro, there isn't a conversation there.

If the conversation is about Brannstrom's effectiveness to create offense to this point, I think it's interesting. If you think Brannstrom has been a player who creates offense it puts the results into perspective. He hasn't shown he can be relied on to consistently create, we've seen flashes and the potential is absolutely there but consistency isn't there yet.

Just to clarify because I fully expect my words to be taken the wrong way. Brannstrom has the ability to contribute offensively, he has been a force from time to time. I don't think he is at a point where you can expect those contributions regularly. I think it's important that he continues to get opportunities to prove he can be that player for us.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I remember everyone wanted him resigned to be Chabots partner.

everybody wanted him to be Chabots partner when DJ took over and Zaitsev was his choice