Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[RAFI BOMB]

DJ playing Brannstrom for 9 minutes last night was baffling. Under a better coach, Brannstrom will end up being a PP specialist that can shave some minutes off anyone that is being played 24+ minutes. If Dorion panic trades and includes Brannstrom in a deal for help, we'll probably see him perform much better elsewhere.

Brannstrom is essentially a smaller version of Mike Reilly. He is barely a NHL d man.

 

[bicboi64]

Brannstrom is essentially a smaller version of Mike Reilly. He is barely a NHL d man.

For two seasons in a row, when Chabot has went down, Brannstrom literally played top 4 minutes at LD and was able to be a mobile puck moving defender.

I get it, Brannstrom is looking pretty meh right now, but at no point was Mike Reilly ever as good as Brannstrom has shown he can be for an extended amount of time

 

[Golden_Jet]

Because he only averages 59seconds of PP time on a pretty shite team PP?

Chabot averages over 3 minutes of PP time per game and we aren't getting results. Why not deploy another player like Brannstrom who can pass and shoot decently? Heck, put Sanderson or Hamonic there, anyone, but swich it up because Chabot ain't working

Branny has had lots of PP opportunities the last few years, still doesn’t generate much. Sandy has been pretty good in there, and Hamonic, probably has the best shot from the point.

 

[bicboi64]

Branny has had lots of PP opportunities the last few years, still doesn’t generate much. Sandy has been pretty good in there, and Hamonic, probably has the best shot from the point.

And I would gladly take any of Hamonic or Sandy on the PP over Chabot right now. That list includes Brannstrom for me as well, just get Chabot off because its not working with him.

Hamonic has a better shot than him, Sanderson shows more hustle and can pass better, and Brannstrom can pass and shoot better as well.

 

[Pinto Bean]

Claim Balcers and trading for Demelo is an immediate and cheap upgrade.

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Demelo
Brannstrom-JBD
Holden-Hamonic

Bottom 4 could interchange, JBD has looked solid, Hamonic only played well when paired with Sanderson who CARRIED him

I think we like to believe that Demelo would be "cheap" partly because we sold him for an incredibly cheap price, but I don't see why WPG would want to sell him for the typical boring prices like a 2nd or some random B prospect like Sokolov.

Would would they trade a steady player who is under-control, not ancient, and a great guy for "cheap".

We'd probably have to trade:
Greig for Demelo +
Ostapchuk + for Demelo
Heavily protected 1st for Demelo

But again, why would WPG trade a roster piece for a future piece when they are a "win-now" club.

I'm not sure what their cap situation or what their position of need is but it would probably have to be a roster player we don't want to give up for Demelo.

 

[Micklebot]

Damn, we should have overpaid for this guy.

So, it's worth pointing out that had he been playing like that with the Pens, he wouldn't have been traded. Something has clicked for him over there, be it just having a bigger role, or the system employed over in Jersey, either way there is no guarantee he looks the same here as he has there.

 

[bert]

He's also often the only dman who makes anything happen offensively.

But hey two bad plays means he should be gone lol. Nevermind that every other defenseman has made as many or more mistakes because reasons.

He is easy to play against unfortunately. So when he makes a terrible play it geta exasperated. But you aren't wrong outside of Sanderson and Zub all the other d have made similarly poor mistakes. Chabot in particular

 

[bicboi64]

I think we like to believe that Demelo would be "cheap" partly because we sold him for an incredibly cheap price, but I don't see why WPG would want to sell him for the typical boring prices like a 2nd or some random B prospect like Sokolov.

Would would they trade a steady player who is under-control, not ancient, and a great guy for "cheap".

We'd probably have to trade:
Greig for Demelo +
Ostapchuk + for Demelo
Heavily protected 1st for Demelo

But again, why would WPG trade a roster piece for a future piece when they are a "win-now" club.

I'm not sure what their cap situation or what their position of need is but it would probably have to be a roster player we don't want to give up for Demelo.

I think with the Jets, they're not exactly in win now mode. PLD isn't the most likely to sign there, Scheifele is due for a raise in a bit, Wheeler declining, aside from Connor, Ehlers, Pinok and Morrissey, Hellebyuck, the team needs a quick retool.

They either need to pay for major upgrades. They've got good prospects that can inject some youth (Heinola, Perfetti, Lucius, Lambert) but they might be in a position where they're not good enough to go deep, but also not bad enough to tank for a good pick.

Maybe moving DeMelo or Schmidt would be part of a larger move to improve their roster using capspace or assets. Not that I think we can get DeMelo for a 3rd given he has some term on his deal, but I think Ostapchuk + would be worth it.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Claim Balcers. Our 4th line sucks.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Arizona freaking Coyotes are currently in a wild card spot.

Their 3rd highest player in ice time is Josh Freakingn Brown playing a prominent top 4 role.

Don’t tell me it’s not coaching when players start to thrive after leaving this horrendous defensive system that’s been implemented by this coaching staff for the past 4 years.

Even if we acquire a top 4 guy, we will still see the same breakdown we always see. Not until a proper structure is implemented, would we see some actual improvements.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Brannstrom is essentially a smaller version of Mike Reilly. He is barely a NHL d man.

One bad game and we're back to this, eh?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

One bad game and we're back to this, eh?

A game he wasn’t even that bad in. He made an error that most of our d-men make on the regular.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

100% this.

Other defenders like Holden, Hamonic, Zaitsev, etc... have their own shortcomings, but they don't see the ice time cuts that Brannstrom receives.

Brannstrom is a bottom pairing guy right now, but he has top 4 offensive skills, so why not even try him on the PP more, especially since Chabot isn't working the best right now.

This is because try as he might, Brannstrom can't overcome his physical shortcomings.

He moves the puck well but doesn't produce much and gets overpowered regularly.

 

[God Says No]

So, it's worth pointing out that had he been playing like that with the Pens, he wouldn't have been traded. Something has clicked for him over there, be it just having a bigger role, or the system employed over in Jersey, either way there is no guarantee he looks the same here as he has there.

Uh, maybe he wasn't playing AS WELL, but he was pretty solid in PIT too. Even if he was at the level he was in PIT, he would have been arguably our best RHD. It'd be close between him and Zub.

 

[Micklebot]

Uh, maybe he wasn't playing AS WELL, but he was pretty solid in PIT too. Even if he was at the level he was in PIT, he would have been arguably our best RHD. It'd be close between him and Zub.

He certainly would have been at worst our 2nd best RHD, I was a proponent of trading for him, but I stand by my position that had he been this good, or even arguably better than Zub with the Pens, they wouldn't have traded him, certainly not for the price they accepted.

 

[Pinto Bean]

I think with the Jets, they're not exactly in win now mode. PLD isn't the most likely to sign there, Scheifele is due for a raise in a bit, Wheeler declining, aside from Connor, Ehlers, Pinok and Morrissey, Hellebyuck, the team needs a quick retool.

They either need to pay for major upgrades. They've got good prospects that can inject some youth (Heinola, Perfetti, Lucius, Lambert) but they might be in a position where they're not good enough to go deep, but also not bad enough to tank for a good pick.

Maybe moving DeMelo or Schmidt would be part of a larger move to improve their roster using capspace or assets. Not that I think we can get DeMelo for a 3rd given he has some term on his deal, but I think Ostapchuk + would be worth it.

Fair enough - With the current group of guys and the prospects you mentioned, they probably have the ability to both compete now and most likely in the future as well as they have a nice mix of pieces.

I guess in a sense that does make them more accepting of a variety of pieces (future pieces and/or pieces for the now) but I still think its safe to assume that they see Demelo as both a win-now piece as well as a piece they can use in the next handful of years and that obviously brings value.

At this point, I just think it'll be tough to bring in any sort of RD who has a combination of steady play, isn't ancient, and ideally has a few years remaining on a contract. Demelo fits the criterion though and given how thin the RD market is, I'd be very open to probably having to over-pay for him.

I really wish we just kept him

 

[GCK]

For two seasons in a row, when Chabot has went down, Brannstrom literally played top 4 minutes at LD and was able to be a mobile puck moving defender.

I get it, Brannstrom is looking pretty meh right now, but at no point was Mike Reilly ever as good as Brannstrom has shown he can be for an extended amount of time

Just for some context

Brannstrom 129 GP 2G 31A 33P (10 points came on PP).

Borowiecki 158GP. 11G 23A 34P (Zero PP points)

I’m guessing Ozone starts may skew towards Brannstrom

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think with the Jets, they're not exactly in win now mode. PLD isn't the most likely to sign there, Scheifele is due for a raise in a bit, Wheeler declining, aside from Connor, Ehlers, Pinok and Morrissey, Hellebyuck, the team needs a quick retool.

They either need to pay for major upgrades. They've got good prospects that can inject some youth (Heinola, Perfetti, Lucius, Lambert) but they might be in a position where they're not good enough to go deep, but also not bad enough to tank for a good pick.

Maybe moving DeMelo or Schmidt would be part of a larger move to improve their roster using capspace or assets. Not that I think we can get DeMelo for a 3rd given he has some term on his deal, but I think Ostapchuk + would be worth it.

I like pionk a lot at. I bet the ask is very large tho

 

[RAFI BOMB]

For two seasons in a row, when Chabot has went down, Brannstrom literally played top 4 minutes at LD and was able to be a mobile puck moving defender.

I get it, Brannstrom is looking pretty meh right now, but at no point was Mike Reilly ever as good as Brannstrom has shown he can be for an extended amount of time

One bad game and we're back to this, eh?

He has been pretty mediocre all season.

I'm not sure if you realize how important it is for Brannstrom to really solidify his role this season. According to Capfriendly, as of next season both JBD and Lassi Thomson will be waiver eligible. The implication of this is that towards the 2nd half of this season the Sens will want to be giving looks in the NHL to both players to see if they will be capable of making the jump. As long as they have continued to develop well and are showing good signs, the Sens will not want to risk losing them on waivers so both are likely penciled into the D corps for next year.

That is 2 of the top 7 d spots likely allocated to them. Then there is Sanderson and Chabot who are signed for next season and the Sens will likely lock up Zub as well. Sanderson, That is potentially 5 of the 7 roster spots taken. Brannstrom would either be in competition for those two final spots or he would be in direct competition with JBD and Thomson.

If Brannstrom simply continues to play the way he has then he is vulnerable to both JBD and Thomson overtaking him on the depth chart and putting his roster spot at risk.

On top of that Max Guenette has performed well in Belleville and could earn himself a look and Tyler Kleven will be turning pro in the towards the end of the season. Kleven might need to spend time in the AHL but physically he could play in the NHL and he also brings an element to the d corps that we are lacking.

The Sens are still speculated to be looking to target one or multiple d men in trades and they certainly won't be targeting a rental. Some of the UFA d for next offseason include Matt Dumba, Ryan Graves, Carson Soucy, Radko Gudas, Scott Mayfield and even a player like Luke Schenn who is having a solid season statistically.

The point is that Brannstrom needs to have a strong season to solidify his roster spot. The way he is performing right now is not doing that.

 

[Laphroaig]

There appears to be much support here for bringing Dylan DeMelo back to the Sens. My opinion is that any team with playoff aspirations wouldn't be wise to play DeMelo in their top four. He's clearly a bottom pairing defenseman at this point.

 

[Sun God Nika]

I love Brannstrom offence but I hate seeing him get out muscled on the boards and losing possession way more and for that I’ll take him off the roster

 

[NyQuil]

There appears to be much support here for bringing Dylan DeMelo back to the Sens. My opinion is that any team with playoff aspirations wouldn't be wise to play DeMelo in their top four. He's clearly a bottom pairing defenseman at this point.

Well, the bar for our top four is pretty damned low on that right side.

 

[Senator Stanley]

He has been pretty mediocre all season.

I'm not sure if you realize how important it is for Brannstrom to really solidify his role this season. According to Capfriendly, as of next season both JBD and Lassi Thomson will be waiver eligible. The implication of this is that towards the 2nd half of this season the Sens will want to be giving looks in the NHL to both players to see if they will be capable of making the jump. As long as they have continued to develop well and are showing good signs, the Sens will not want to risk losing them on waivers so both are likely penciled into the D corps for next year.

That is 2 of the top 7 d spots likely allocated to them. Then there is Sanderson and Chabot who are signed for next season and the Sens will likely lock up Zub as well. Sanderson, That is potentially 5 of the 7 roster spots taken. Brannstrom would either be in competition for those two final spots or he would be in direct competition with JBD and Thomson.

If Brannstrom simply continues to play the way he has then he is vulnerable to both JBD and Thomson overtaking him on the depth chart and putting his roster spot at risk.

On top of that Max Guenette has performed well in Belleville and could earn himself a look and Tyler Kleven will be turning pro in the towards the end of the season. Kleven might need to spend time in the AHL but physically he could play in the NHL and he also brings an element to the d corps that we are lacking.

The Sens are still speculated to be looking to target one or multiple d men in trades and they certainly won't be targeting a rental. Some of the UFA d for next offseason include Matt Dumba, Ryan Graves, Carson Soucy, Radko Gudas, Scott Mayfield and even a player like Luke Schenn who is having a solid season statistically.

The point is that Brannstrom needs to have a strong season to solidify his roster spot. The way he is performing right now is not doing that.

I don't disagree with any of this, other than i think he's had a strong start to the season.

 

[branch]

Would they ever entice Kleven to leave UND early?

 

[Ouroboros]

I love Brannstrom offence but I hate seeing him get out muscled on the boards and losing possession way more and for that I’ll take him off the roster

What offense? He hasn't scored in 89 games, and over that period he only has 17 assists at even strength.