Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I had the thought about Horvat, but he'll be too expensive to acquire imo.

Also, if it's coming from Hockeybuzz then that's about as reliable as me running home to ask my dogs for hot NHL rumors. I assume it's made up.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Horvat makes little sense. We're not trading a 1st+ for him given we have no room to keep him beyond this year.

We're not a top tier contender and going all-in makes no sense right now, especially with Norris out potentially all year.

We'll just try to replace Norris internally with Pinto and hope that Kastelic, Brassard, Gambrell and maybe Greig will succeed in the 3C and 4C roles.

 

[GCK]

Is Zaitsev worth buying out ? If u do it this summer his cap hit next year will be 2.75 and then 0.75 the year after which gives us 1.5 in additional room for next year

No buyout. Pay whatever the cost is to move him next summer or as a salary make weight in a deal.

 

[playasRus]

No buyout. Pay whatever the cost is to move him next summer or as a salary make weight in a deal.

I'm sure ownership agrees. There's just no win from a buyout - except maybe for Zaitsev?

Saving 900k cash vs 2.5M cash PLUS 1.7M cap vs 4.5M cap is a no brainer.

 

[SensFactor]

Moving Zaitsev is paramount, why doesn't anyone want his 4.5 M cap hit for 2 more years?

 

[aragorn]

I’m not sure that we will be signing Formenton. I’d like him on the roster but I’ll speculate he might be a No Fly Zone on direction from ownership until the investigation is concluded by the league.

I’m not really seeing a fit for Motte after this year. Kelly is a cheaper 4th line option that the org loves and Greig will need a spot next year.

Not enough size on a Motte - Kastelic - Kelly 4th line. Look for Reinhardt at 813K to plug in if we can’t find a big body somewhere.

There should be room for Debrincat, Zub and Pinto.

I'd be surprised if Watson is re-signed although we never know & if they were to replace him I could see Sokolov as a 4th line RW replacement. He doesn't play the same game or role, but he is a big body that could bring a little size & offence to that 4th line. He has experience playing with Kastelic in Belleville & it's Kastelic who is obviously going to take over the role that Watson played. Kelly will likely stay on that line until Ostapchuk takes that spot IMO, he is a high energy guy.

If they aren't going to re-sign Formenton then why wouldn't they re-sign Motte who has shown very good chemistry with Pinto & Joseph on that 3rd line. I think it could depend on whether one of Greig or Crookshank are ready, but they might want to see if either of those guys can play an entire season without getting hurt. It does makes sense if they are getting near a cap crunch to use cheaper players to fill some of these holes as you say. This is why I think Holden & Zaitsev are replaced internally, I'm just not sure about Hamonic although also quite possible.

 

[GCK]

I love Norris. It's a business decision. Not personal. No hate here.

Proposing this as a move to rebalance the lineup to address our relatively weak defence and add a bit of cap space to get some important signings done. Right now our forward "core" consists of seven STAR players with two more potential expensive players coming in with Greig and Formenton. It's too much $alary up front and will implode on us pretty quickly.

Coyotes tank this year for bedard and save cash with Norris on LTIR. We get Chychryn and go deep this year and next (or longer).

I get that this is an online forum, but sometimes we should probably acknowledge that there are tough decisions to make under a cap system. Our discourse on strategy needs to be a bit more nuanced than "you can't trade him -- he's good!"

No thanks. Get the 7 stars locked up long term and trade Greig for help elsewhere once his ELC is up.

Where are you deploying Chychrun ?

 

[UglyPuckling]

This is what CapFriendly says about a Zaitsev buyout.

Cap hit in 2023-24 would be $2.833 m, and in 2024-25 would be $833k.

A Nikita Zaitsev buyout spans 2 years, has a cost of $1,666,667 and savings of $833,333. Zaitsev is 31 years of age at the time of the buyout; therefore, the buyout ratio is 2/3. With $2,500,000 in salary remaining, the cost is $1,666,667, and the savings are $833,333

Buyout Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

NHL buyout calculator that automates the cost calculations to determine the savings and final cap hit

www.capfriendly.com

 

[dumbdick]

No thanks. Get the 7 stars locked up long term and trade Greig for help elsewhere once his ELC is up.

Where are you deploying Chychrun ?

I'd rather sell high from the top of the roster rather than trade the kids off. This way you still get to reap all of their ELC years. Like selling saplings instead of seeds.

Season them in the minors for a long time, then let them come up and demonstrate what they can do in the NHL. If they can dislodge a guy to take their spot in the core, then ink them. Otherwise trade them off when their value is high.

I'd put Chychryn on as the 2RHD with Sandy.

Chabby - Zub
Sandy - Chychryn
Brann - Holden/Hamonic

Put holden and hamonic on the block and deal either if you get a reasonable offer.

 

[aragorn]

Doesn't Myers from Vancouver make more sense than Horvat closer to the TDL? Brassard seems to be doing just fine replacing Norris & we have other good forward prospects waiting in the wings. Myers is a mobile PMD with size that could play either on the 2nd or 3rd pairings. Does PD have enough assets to acquire both?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Doesn't Myers from Vancouver make more sense than Horvat closer to the TDL? Brassard seems to be doing just fine replacing Norris & we have other good forward prospects waiting in the wings. Myers is a mobile PMD with size that could play either on the 2nd or 3rd pairings. Does PD have enough assets to acquire both?

If they would retain ~40% on Myers, I could see it making some sense, but adding a 6 mil cap hit for next year seems problematic.

 

[NyQuil]

Sens fans regarding Chyrchun:

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I love Norris. It's a business decision. Not personal. No hate here.

Proposing this as a move to rebalance the lineup to address our relatively weak defence and add a bit of cap space to get some important signings done. Right now our forward "core" consists of seven STAR players with two more potential expensive players coming in with Greig and Formenton. It's too much $alary up front and will implode on us pretty quickly.

Coyotes tank this year for bedard and save cash with Norris on LTIR. We get Chychryn and go deep this year and next (or longer).

I get that this is an online forum, but sometimes we should probably acknowledge that there are tough decisions to make under a cap system. Our discourse on strategy needs to be a bit more nuanced than "you can't trade him -- he's good!"

You don't trade a guy you just signed to an 8 year deal.

I get the rationale, it has merit. It just doesn't work in the greater context of things.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

In my opinion, Zaitsev is a Sen for this season.

1. We have no cap issues this season. In fact, due to the Norris injury, we're pretty flush.

2. We already paid him his bonus.

3. He provides depth that would need to be replaced

4. The extra cost is not worth it

That means he'll like only be dump/buyout next offseason.

1. If the cap is 83.5M, we have to pay the price to move him. No retention. Only way to keep Zub and Debrincat.

2. It the cap is 86.5M and we re-sign Zub/Debrincat, we can likely afford to buy him out/retain and save pick (s)

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Doesn't Myers from Vancouver make more sense than Horvat closer to the TDL? Brassard seems to be doing just fine replacing Norris & we have other good forward prospects waiting in the wings. Myers is a mobile PMD with size that could play either on the 2nd or 3rd pairings. Does PD have enough assets to acquire both?

We have a ton of assets. Myers would likely be dumped for a minimal cost by Vancouver.

We can't afford him. he makes 6M next season. Using the money we need for Zub and losing him so we can give an inferior player in Myers more money would be the height of stupidity.

Only way it could work would be if they took Zaitsev back, the cap moved to 86.5M instead of 83.5M, and Vancouver did 50% retention. Then it turns into an excellent idea. Short of a complete tear down I don't see Vancouver doing that. Also, getting rid of both Zaitsev and getting them to retain 50% on Myers would be expensive. Someone would offer a lot.

 

[dumbdick]

You don't trade a guy you just signed to an 8 year deal.

I get the rationale, it has merit. It just doesn't work in the greater context of things.

Doesn't have to be right now and doesn't have to be Norris. But if we wait too long teams might have us over a barrel if we try to trade when we're in cap hell.

 

[Union2017]

Soooo. we're playing Tampa on Tuesday and Coyotes are playing Panthers on that day. We leave #22 in Sunrise FLA and Chychrun (yeah, I know he is injured, but let me dream) goes straight to Tampa on that day to meet with GMPD. And that is why we are playing #22 tonight instead of Holden. The only "minor" problem is - who do we add to #22 package, LOL

 

[Sun God Nika]

In my opinion, Zaitsev is a Sen for this season.

1. We have no cap issues this season. In fact, due to the Norris injury, we're pretty flush.

2. We already paid him his bonus.

3. He provides depth that would need to be replaced

4. The extra cost is not worth it

That means he'll like only be dump/buyout next offseason.

1. If the cap is 83.5M, we have to pay the price to move him. No retention. Only way to keep Zub and Debrincat.

2. It the cap is 86.5M and we re-sign Zub/Debrincat, we can likely afford to buy him out/retain and save pick (s)

Honestly I don’t think Nikita Zaitsev is capable to play at the level this league requires him to. He gets paid to do it but he can’t .

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Honestly I don’t think Nikita Zaitsev is capable to play at the level this league requires him to. He gets paid to do it but he can’t .

Well, the analytics say you're wrong, and from my eye test, I think he's a fine bottom pairing defenseman.

He's over used and overpaid, but I'm getting a little sick of the hate he gets. I honestly just want him traded so we can watch him turn things around. Just like Ghost is doing in Phoenix. Run out of town on a rail and suddenly a hot commodity when used properly.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well, the analytics say you're wrong, and from my eye test, I think he's a fine bottom pairing defenseman.

He's over used and overpaid, but I'm getting a little sick of the hate he gets. I honestly just want him traded so we can watch him turn things around. Just like Ghost is doing in Phoenix. Run out of town on a rail and suddenly a hot commodity when used properly.

I agree. The salary commitment this year and next, more so next, is the issue, not him occupying the 6/7 d spot.

 

[NB613]

Wonder if theres a cap dump swap to be had with a team that needs D (ie Zaitsev) and has an expensive forward on a 1 year deal.

Doesnt look pretty:
- Dadonov
- Ladd
- Monohan
- J Van Riemsdyk

 

[Dan Patrick]

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[bicboi64]

Trade Norris for Chychryn straight up.

If we trade Norris to the Yotes, they better be giving us a package. They get a legitimate top line centre which they haven't been able to develop for ages. Better give us back Chychrun, Mayo, Fischer, and a conditional first at the least and even then, I'd rather keep a centre we developed and just extended long term. Heck no to trading Norris, let alone for Chychrun

 

[bert]

You don't trade a guy you just signed to an 8 year deal.

I get the rationale, it has merit. It just doesn't work in the greater context of things.

He's playing NHL2023 not living in the reality of the fact these are human beings. There is chemistry, physicality is important, team reputations matter etc.

Hopefully this teams internal depth can handle the injuries. Lets see what they got.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Chychrun had a setback in his recovery and will be out longer, so a trade seems even less likely now.