Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Not only is a mid-round 2023 worth equal or more than the 7th in 22 (think of the Chabot draft and the quality of player avaible in that one...23 is going to be like that, or perhaps even deeper!), but it also means we'd be basically going without 3 first round picks in a row (Boucher possibly becoming a 4th liner doesn't move the needle). That is extremely dangers to do in a cap world, where you need those young legs and ELC contracts.

And the Melynk sisters haven't said anything about being a cap team, either.

And goaltending is now a substantial question mark.

 

[UglyPuckling]

that is one sexy roster

It also would not be cap compliant unfortunately. What adjustment (subtraction) would you make?

 

[GCK]

I’d love it but honestly that’s mostly spare parts for a top 4 D.

No chance I’d take that as GM of Yotes

2023 1st lottery protected

Conditional 2024 1st - Chychrun plays 80% of games and Ottawa makes playoffs

Tyler Kleven

Zaitsev

If Ottawa misses playoffs then it’s
2024 1st, 2024 2nd, Kleven, Zaitsev

If Ottawa makes playoffs and Chychrun plays 80% of games it’s, 2023 1st, 2024 1st, Kleven, Zaitsev

If Ottawa makes playoffs and Chychrun misses too many games it’s 2023 1st, 2024 2nd, Kleven, Zaitsev

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Dorion should step up and get deals done with Zub and Formenton and let it roll. If he gets a chance to improve the D .. go for it then

 

[GCK]

Dorion should step up and get deals done with Zub and Formenton and let it roll. If he gets a chance to improve the D .. go for it then

I’m back to thinking Zub is going to market after this season.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I reeeeeally don’t want to trade Kleven, even for Chych.

I think he’s going to be a super solid defender that also has the hardest shot on the team, is a punishing players, and can skate and move the puck well enough to not be a liability in transition.

Pretty much a player we absolutely need.

You just described what chychrun is right now and has proven he’s all those things since entering the league. Kleven may become those things if the stars align

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I’d assume that bringing in Chychrun without retention means that we either move Debrincat or lose Zub and Formenton.

Well if we can get rid of Zaitsev that helps. Also chycrun is only three years here.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Well if we can get rid of Zaitsev that helps. Also chycrun is only three years here.

It "helps", but additional moves (i.e.., subtractions) would be required. Removing a couple of middle roster players would make the cap work. The challenge is next year (2023-24). Got to handle that first before thinking about 3 years from now.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It "helps", but additional moves (i.e.., subtractions) would be required. Removing a couple of middle roster players would make the cap work. The challenge is next year (2023-24). Got to handle that first before thinking about 3 years from now.

Don’t think next year is really an issue. It terms of cap chychrun and Zaitsev are the same. We’re currently fitting everyone else in with Zaitsev on the roster. Debrincat is max an extra 3 million for next year. I expect an extension will come in at 8. Resigned Debrincat and chychrun is only and extra 2 million against the cap in total for the next 3 years per years. And in 3 years chychrun and giroux are off the books that’s ten million

 

[SpezDispenser]

Dorion should step up and get deals done with Zub and Formenton and let it roll. If he gets a chance to improve the D .. go for it then

Have to agree.

 

[GCK]

Well if we can get rid of Zaitsev that helps. Also chycrun is only three years here.

The math doesn’t really work if we assume 8.5 AAV for Debrincat and 4+ AAV for Zub.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Not sure what the thinking is if we wish to add to our defense. Replace a forward with a large (or larger) contract with another forward with a smaller contract? Which one?

Here's some food for thought. It's a 22 player roster for 2023-24 with Chychrun added.

The total cap hit is $84,974,000, so it's over the $83.5 m cap ceiling that was recently announced.

Zaitsev & his salary is gone/eliminated. I've kept Debrincat and his $9.0 m Qualifying Offer. Zub has been resigned. This roster includes a number of ELCs or league minimum types on defense, goal and 4th line. Signing bonuses have not been included.

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Don’t think next year is really an issue. It terms of cap chychrun and Zaitsev are the same. We’re currently fitting everyone else in with Zaitsev on the roster. Debrincat is max an extra 3 million for next year. I expect an extension will come in at 8. Resigned Debrincat and chychrun is only and extra 2 million against the cap in total for the next 3 years per years. And in 3 years chychrun and giroux are off the books that’s ten million

See above. Zaitsev's contract has been removed in the spreadsheet. Click on the attachment, or go to post #2077. So, this has been taken into account already.

If Debrincat signs a long term contract at $8 m/year versus the $9 m Qualifying Offer, the saving is $1 m, and the cap hit would be $83,974,000, or in other words, over the cap ceiling. Also, signing performance bonuses have not been included in post above (spreadsheet), and that will have a negative impact the following year.

 

[playasRus]

Can't imagine what prices other teams would demand if we're in cap hell next year.
1st to unload 2 years of Joseph?

Tricky maneuvering the next year with DeBrincats next contract. Need to know what's happening with Zub too. Over/under 4.5M

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I’m back to thinking Zub is going to market after this season.

Zub is getting signed here. I don't see any other outcome.

 

[GCK]

See above. Zaitsev's contract has been removed in the spreadsheet. Click on the attachment, or go to post #2077. So, this has been taken into account already.

If Debrincat signs a long term contract at $8 m/year versus the $9 m Qualifying Offer, the saving is $1 m, and the cap hit would be $83,974,000, or in other words, over the cap ceiling. Also, signing bonuses have not been included in post above (spreadsheet), and that will have a negative impact the following year.

Don’t worry about the Signing bonuses, those are accounted for in AAV.

 

[Keli]

Don’t worry about the Signing bonuses, those are accounted for in AAV.

Did he mean performance bonuses?

 

[UglyPuckling]

Can't imagine what prices other teams would demand if we're in cap hell next year.
1st to unload 2 years of Joseph?

Tricky maneuvering the next year with DeBrincats next contract. Need to know what's happening with Zub too. Over/under 4.5M

To ponder the environment in 2023-24 is an interesting & relevant topic. Given recent news of a $83.5 m cap, the cap constraints and squeezes that teams have been experiencing lately will continue for another year. I suspect many teams will be facing a challenge again cap wise.

With respect to the Senators outlook for 2023-24 (next season/year), even if we get rid of Zaitsev (without retaining anything), sign Debrincat for something closer to $8 m versus $9 m (even if its $8 m in fact), and resign Zub, some other moves (subtractions) will be required. Removing a couple of middle of the roster players and middle value contracts would get it done if we want to look at that as a best case scenario.

Did he mean performance bonuses?

Yes, my bad. I meant "performance" bonuses. I'll edit my post to alleviate the confusion.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

If I'm Dorion I do nothing until I see Chychrun play a half dozen or more games this year. His injury history is significant and I'm not putting together a quality package of futures for a guy who might see his play drop off due to a series of injuries. I wait until I see if he comes back close to 100%.

I think that IF coach DJ has the team ready for opening night that the Sens can stay in the playoff hunt for the first month or so. Then IF Chychrun has come back and is looking good then we can revisit pulling the trigger on a deal. If he gets snatched up before then, oh well, there are other less glamorous but less costly options that will become available (see RD on the Calgary Flames).

 

[GCK]

To ponder the environment in 2023-24 is an interesting & relevant topic. Given recent news of a $83.5 m cap, the cap constraints and squeezes that teams have been experiencing lately will continue for another year. I suspect many teams will be facing a challenge again cap wise.

With respect to the Senators outlook for 2023-24 (next year), even if we get rid of Zaitsev (without retaining anything), sign Debrincat for something closer to $8 m versus $9 m (even if its $8 m in fact), and resign Zub, some other moves (subtractions) will be required. Removing a couple of middle of the roster players and middle value contracts would get it done if we want to look at that as a best case scenario.


Yes, my bad. I meant "performance" bonuses. I'll edit my post to alleviate the confusion.

As long as we leave sufficient cap space this season there won’t be any carry over. Some of the biggest potential bonuses would require Stutzle winning a major trophy.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

If we get rid of Zaitsev, we can absolutely sign Debrincat to $9mill, Pinto to $2.5mill, and Zub to $4.5mill (Heck even $5.5 is fine). The only issue is this requires us to really see major progression from Thomson and JBD. Also as much as I love Motte and Joseph, with how many great winger prospects that are in the system, they're expendable. Why is it people are thinking Joseph will have negative value? If he puts up even 10 goals and 25-30 points in limited PP and plays some PK, there will be someone who wants him. Only issue is if he gets like 5 points in 50+ games, then yeah we have a problem.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Did he mean performance bonuses?

Signing bonuses are included in AAV, performance bonuses , are not.

Eg capfriendly show’s Stutzle with a potential of 2.5 million and Pinto 600k

 

[bert]

I’m back to thinking Zub is going to market after this season.

Why? Its still pre season.

 

[bert]

If I'm Dorion I do nothing until I see Chychrun play a half dozen or more games this year. His injury history is significant and I'm not putting together a quality package of futures for a guy who might see his play drop off due to a series of injuries. I wait until I see if he comes back close to 100%.

I think that IF coach DJ has the team ready for opening night that the Sens can stay in the playoff hunt for the first month or so. Then IF Chychrun has come back and is looking good then we can revisit pulling the trigger on a deal. If he gets snatched up before then, oh well, there are other less glamorous but less costly options that will become available (see RD on the Calgary Flames).

This is the only way to look at it. They gotta see how the team plays and how he plays before making a move like this. I really dont think its the play at all personally but everyone here is clamoring for another D man but this team isnt winning the cup this year. Sacrificing major futures for somewhat of an unknown doesnt make logistical sense to me. Especially for a player that doesnt naturally fill the position of need to begin with.

 

[UglyPuckling]

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If we get rid of Zaitsev, we can absolutely sign Debrincat to $9mill, Pinto to $2.5mill, and Zub to $4.5mill (Heck even $5.5 is fine). The only issue is this requires us to really see major progression from Thomson and JBD. Also as much as I love Motte and Joseph, with how many great winger prospects that are in the system, they're expendable. Why is it people are thinking Joseph will have negative value? If he puts up even 10 goals and 25-30 points in limited PP and plays some PK, there will be someone who wants him. Only issue is if he gets like 5 points in 50+ games, then yeah we have a problem.

Yes, something like this can be done.

What is notable here is:

• That Formenton is not on the roster; and,
• This roster does NOT include Chychrun (or another higher end defender).

Another small observation is I had Pinto at $2.75 m based on some research on comparables that I did. Not a big deal of course.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Yes, something like this can be done.

What is notable here is:

• That Formenton is not on the roster; and,
• This roster does NOT include Chychrun (or another higher end defender).

Another small observation is I had Pinto at $2.75 m based on some research on comparable that I did. Not a bit deal of course.

We can actually get Chychrun if do not sign Motte, and trade Joseph, and replace them with purely prospects. Otherwise another route we can do is not sign Motte, but sign someone like Mayfield for like $3.25 a year (Think Jan Rutta contract, just slightly higher for Ottawa tax lmao). (This does not require trading anyone from roster).