Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[UglyPuckling]

As long as we leave sufficient cap space this season there won’t be any carry over. Some of the biggest potential bonuses would require Stutzle winning a major trophy.

1st sentence = True.

2nd sentence - I just include the caveat about performance bonuses to let people know I haven't done any calculations, but that the calculations still need to be done. What about Sanderson? Would he have any performance bonuses (again, I haven't done a deep dive on this subject).

 

[Ice-Tray]

We just signed Joseph to a 4 year deal, I doubt he’s a guy we’ll be looking to trade.

 

[UglyPuckling]

We can actually get Chychrun if do not sign Motte, and trade Joseph, and replace them with purely prospects. Otherwise another route we can do is not sign Motte, but sign someone like Mayfield for like $3.25 a year (Think Jan Rutta contract, just slightly higher for Ottawa tax lmao). (This does not require trading anyone from roster).

Yes, I had something similar in one version of my spreadsheet by removing Formenton and Joseph.

I agree, there's different solutions you can make the cap work, but you have to be able to find some really good value players (low cost replacements) and/or move some current player off the roster. I run a number of different permutations for kicks and giggles on a spreadsheet simply because I find that faster. I guess it's years of building spreadsheets that makes this a habit for me.

For me, this is just a numbers exercise versus an emotional thing.

 

[playasRus]

It was bothering me that your female Pinto looked so familiar, and not in a "that's Shane Pinto's face" familiar but someone real.

 

[Golden_Jet]

1st sentence = True.

2nd sentence - I just include the caveat about performance bonuses to let people know I haven't done any calculations, but that the calculations still need to be done. What about Sanderson? Would he have any performance bonuses (again, I haven't done a deep dive on this subject).

I listed 2 on previous page.

So I’ll repost all players with maximum performance bonuses

Stützle 2.5 million
Pinto 600k
Sanderson 925k

 

[UglyPuckling]

I listed 2 on previous page.

So I’ll repost all players with maximum performance bonuses

Stützle 2.5 million
Pinto 600k
Sanderson 925k

Thanks GJ!!! I knew I had seen a post on this subject, but couldn't remember where.

BTW, I like your avatar. Is that you on that motorcycle?

 

[Ice-Tray]

You just described what chychrun is right now and has proven he’s all those things since entering the league. Kleven may become those things if the stars align

On has an injury history, is currently injured, is making between 4-5 million a season, and looks like he’d have to play on the third paring to maximize his skill.

The other won’t hit the team as part of the cap hit until next season at the earliest, and if he can be a similar player for a fraction of the cost on the third pairing, that’s a huge win for our team.

We have at least three more guys that we want to lock down long term, and Zub coming in at likely 4ish as well.

That cap space is huge right now until it goes up and we get a little more breathing room. I don’t want us to be in a situation next season where we have to trade a guy off the roster to get under the cap, while also having lost all of the assets we traded to get him.

It may simply not be the time to make this move, we may be off by a season or so. It may be best to keep the quality cheap replacement guys in the system at this time.

Not saying I don’t like the player, I do, I’m just having a hard time seeing it fit without sacrificing more than I would like us too at this time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Thanks GJ!!! I knew I had seen a post on this subject, but couldn't remember where.

BTW, I like your avatar. Is that you on that motorcycle?

No it’s not, but I do love flying over jumps on my motocross bike.

 

[scallionjj11]

It was bothering me that your female Pinto looked so familiar, and not in a "that's Shane Pinto's face" familiar but someone real.

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lol I swear I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[UglyPuckling]

No it’s not, but I do love flying over jumps on my motocross bike.

Cool. Good stuff.

 

[GCK]

Why? Its still pre season.

Mostly since we seem to be chasing Chychrun. With Chychrun on the payroll we won’t be able to keep both Debrincat and Zub. I can’t stress enough that my preference in order

1. Don’t acquire Chychrun, re-sign Zub and Debrincat.

2. Acquire Chychrun, re-sign Zub and trade Debrincat in the offseason.

3. Acquire Chychrun, re-sign Debrincat and let Zub test the market next offseason.

4. Acquire Chychrun, re-sign Zub and trade Batherson in the offseason.

1st sentence = True.

2nd sentence - I just include the caveat about performance bonuses to let people know I haven't done any calculations, but that the calculations still need to be done. What about Sanderson? Would he have any performance bonuses (again, I haven't done a deep dive on this subject).

Sanderson has max performance bonuses of 925K this season.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I listed 2 on previous page.

So I’ll repost all players with maximum performance bonuses

Stützle 2.5 million
Pinto 600k
Sanderson 925k

Sanderson has max performance bonuses of 925K this season.

So, to run this subject to ground, the maximum performance bonuses could be $4 m. Whatever the bonuses turn out to be, its still relevant and non trivial.

Another issue that doesn't get discussed much is that iirc, a number of current roster player contracts are back loaded. That means that that actual $s could be higher than AAVs (again, I haven't done a deep dive, just thinking out loud). To fans that might not mean much, but to owner, it could.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If management knows one thing it’s definitely payroll lol. They’re looking to acquire chychrun. I guarantee it’s not at the expense of debrincat. That’s definitely not the plan.

 

[GCK]

So, to run this subject to ground, the maximum performance bonuses could be $4 m. Whatever the bonuses turn out to be, its still relevant and non trivial.

Another issue that doesn't get discussed much is that iirc, a number of current roster player contracts are back loaded. That means that that actual $s could be higher than AAVs (again, I haven't done a deep dive, just thinking out loud). To fans that might not mean much, but to owner, it could.

We have a hair under 60M real dollars committed next year to 11 players, Murray retention and buyouts.

If management knows one thing it’s definitely payroll lol. They’re looking to acquire chychrun. I guarantee it’s not at the expense of debrincat. That’s definitely not the plan.

So letting Zub walk then.

 

[UglyPuckling]

If management knows one thing it’s definitely payroll lol. They’re looking to acquire chychrun. I guarantee it’s not at the expense of debrincat. That’s definitely not the plan.

OK, can you share what the plan is then? Channel your inner Dorion LOL. A plan would be 22-player (minimum) 2023-24 roster with salaries that includes buyouts/retained salary.

People have chipped in and given their ideas on next years payroll. Maybe you have some ideas that haven't been identified yet?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

OK, can you share what the plan is then? Channel your inner Dorion LOL. A plan would be 22-player (minimum) 2023-24 roster with salaries that includes buyouts/retained salary.

People have chipped in and given their ideas on next years payroll. Maybe you have some ideas that haven't been identified yet?

My idea is swapping Zaitsev with chycrun. Same as managements. We don’t know what zub even wants. Maybe he’s walking. I’m just saying. Management isn’t trying to acquire chychrun if it’s costing them debrincat and Zub.

Also doubt formy get a contract. So.

We have a hair under 60M real dollars committed next year to 11 players, Murray retention and buyouts.


So letting Zub walk then.

May e he wants to walk? I have no idea

 

[GCK]

My idea is swapping Zaitsev with chycrun. Same as managements. We don’t know what zub even wants. Maybe he’s walking. I’m just saying. Management isn’t trying to acquire chychrun if it’s costing them debrincat and Zub.

Also doubt formy get a contract. So.


May e he wants to walk? I have no idea

Getting Chychrun wouldn’t mean we couldn’t afford to re-sign both Debrincat and Zub, it means we could only afford to sign one unless there was retention on Chychrun. And yes all of this includes Zaitsev being off the books next year.

 

[UglyPuckling]

My idea is swapping Zaitsev with chycrun. Same as managements. We don’t know what zub even wants. Maybe he’s walking. I’m just saying. Management isn’t trying to acquire chychrun if it’s costing them debrincat and Zub.

Also doubt formy get a contract. So.

May e he wants to walk? I have no idea

Zaitsev has been subtracted already and his salary is not included in all kinds of posts and spreadsheets that have been presented in here. It's a given.

Even with Zaitsev & his salary gone, if you try to keep Debrincat & Zub, plus add Chychrun, the numbers don't work unless you make some adjustments and subtractions elsewhere.

Even then (with those subtractions), you are just barely under the $83.5 cap (depends on how large of a subtraction of course), and haven't accounted for the impact of performance bonuses. Plus, we have no idea or indication that the team is willing to spend to the cap ceiling. Let's hope they do of course.

Subtracting Formenton has already been included as a permutation on some of the spreadsheet versions that are floating around in here. That's still not enough. More AAV needs to be subtracted.

It's just numbers and simple math, not something magical. I don't think management is sharing their detailed plans with us. I tend to separate what management says versus speculation from media. They are two different animals., The devil is in the details as they say, and hence, that is why I requested your complete roster with salaries.

 

[Micklebot]

Getting Chychrun wouldn’t mean we couldn’t afford to re-sign both Debrincat and Zub, it means we could only afford to sign one unless there was retention on Chychrun. And yes all of this includes Zaitsev being off the books next year.

There are other ways to get it done, going with a low cost backup goalie (Sogaard) and trading Joseph could be enough if both JBD and Thomson are used on the roster next year in place of Holden and Hamonic. We'd have to bridge Pinto to keep his cost down to around what Joseph currently makes though.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
DeBrincat-Stützle-Giroux
Greig-Pinto-Sokolov/Crookshank/Jarventie
Kelly-Kastelic-Watson or equivalent
Cheap extra like Brassard or Hawryluk

Chabot-Zub
Chychrun-JBD
Sanderson-Thomson
Cheap extra like Larsson

Forsberg
Sogaard/Hellberg ect.

With DeBrincat at 8.5, Pinto at 2.95, Zub at 4.5 and JBD at .900, that comes in around 83 even. It gets complicated the next year as Sanderson will need an extension but a lot of dead cap comes off.

 

[GCK]

There are other ways to get it done, going with a low cost backup goalie (Sogaard) and trading Joseph could be enough if both JBD and Thomson are used on the roster next year in place of Holden and Hamonic. We'd have to bridge Pinto to keep his cost down to around what Joseph currently makes though.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
DeBrincat-Stützle-Giroux
Greig-Pinto-Sokolov/Crookshank/Jarventie
Kelly-Kastelic-Watson or equivalent
Cheap extra like Brassard or Hawryluk

Chabot-Zub
Chychrun-JBD
Sanderson-Thomson
Cheap extra like Larsson

Forsberg
Sogaard/Hellberg ect.

With DeBrincat at 8.5, Pinto at 2.95, Zub at 4.5 and JBD at .900, that comes in around 83 even. It gets complicated the next year as Sanderson will need an extension but a lot of dead cap comes off.

We don’t need to carry more than a 20 man roster.

 

[bert]

If management knows one thing it’s definitely payroll lol. They’re looking to acquire chychrun. I guarantee it’s not at the expense of debrincat. That’s definitely not the plan.

It's completely redundant to aquire Chychrun if they're planning on letting Zub walk. Hopefully they just don't do anything stupid here.

 

[Alex1234]

There are other ways to get it done, going with a low cost backup goalie (Sogaard) and trading Joseph could be enough if both JBD and Thomson are used on the roster next year in place of Holden and Hamonic. We'd have to bridge Pinto to keep his cost down to around what Joseph currently makes though.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
DeBrincat-Stützle-Giroux
Greig-Pinto-Sokolov/Crookshank/Jarventie
Kelly-Kastelic-Watson or equivalent
Cheap extra like Brassard or Hawryluk

Chabot-Zub
Chychrun-JBD
Sanderson-Thomson
Cheap extra like Larsson

Forsberg
Sogaard/Hellberg ect.

With DeBrincat at 8.5, Pinto at 2.95, Zub at 4.5 and JBD at .900, that comes in around 83 even. It gets complicated the next year as Sanderson will need an extension but a lot of dead cap comes off.

Is Formenton included in that JC trade?

 

[Micklebot]

We don’t need to carry more than a 20 man roster.

We don't "need" to, but you're asking for trouble if you don't carry an extra, particularly for road trips.

 

[Micklebot]

Is Formenton included in that JC trade?

Sure, or some other trade, he's not in the roster I proposed since I don't see us getting him signed for next year at a price that works, but who knows.

 

[Micklebot]

It's completely redundant to aquire Chychrun if they're planning on letting Zub walk. Hopefully they just don't do anything stupid here.

Not so much redundant as lateral perhaps. I guess it all depends on Zub's demands, if he wants too much getting Chychrun to backfill might make sense