Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Johnny Hanson]

I’m curious who we are going to bring in on the third line.. I really hope we bring in someone who can help Pinto and possibly Grieg, like Giroux did with Stützle and Tkachuk.

Phil kessel

 

[Burrowsaurus]

That's good news, I suspect at this stage it's more about family, do he and the wife feel Ottawa is a good city to raise the little one in for the next ~7 years, or do they want to move one or two more times before finding their long term landing spot.

If this wasn’t hockey…. I would agree. But “I’ll let you know” is rarely good. Actually it’s rarely good in any circumstance lol.

 

[Micklebot]

If this wasn’t hockey…. I would agree. But “I’ll let you know” is rarely good. Actually it’s rarely good in any circumstance lol.

I mean, it's better than being strung along past critical deadlines, see Tavares, NYI.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I mean, it's better than being strung along past critical deadlines, see Tavares, NYI.

Yeah absolutely.

 

[dmarc]

To Carolina: Joseph RW/LW
To Ottawa: Andersen G or Raanta G

both those guys are UFA

 

[BondraTime]

both those guys are UFA

We'd take it and run, free out of the contract

 

[dmarc]

We're in a tough spot re goalie, basically if we want a ~3 million dollar guy we need to move off of Joseph, which will be hard to do, or move on from ADB.

Really need some clarity on the latter before we can address G
Someone like Adin Hill or Laurent Brossoit interest me.

I could see the team targeting a sub 1 million guy like guy like Nedeljkovic, Rittich, Stalock, Hellberg etc.

There will be another goalie carousel this offseason and there's less and less money in the system, so hopefully we can get a better guy for less

 

[DaveMatthew]

If Debrincat says he's not interested in extending long-term, I'd have to assume it's for family and not hockey reasons. Most likely, he and his wife would like to move closer to the US midwest (or a short flight away) to be near their support network (similar to why Gaudreau landed in CLB). And to extract maximum value, we'd have to trade him to a team where he'd re-sign, so I think the preferred options would be: Detroit, St.Louis and Nashville.

Out of those, St.Louis seems like the best fit. They were in on Meier, and are looking to do a quicker retool around Thomas/Kyrou.

I wonder if we could do:

Debrincat for Saad (3 years left at $4.5M AAV) + Alexei Toropchenko + 2023 1st (from Toronto).

That's probably the best we could hope for. A guy who can step into the top 6 LW spot and score 18-25 goals, a cheap depth player, and a mid to late first rounder.

 

[Senovision]

Crosby might planning leaving Pittsburgh.
Trade: DeBrincat and Joseph for Crosby.
Swayman 3.5. Forsberg 2.75

Sanderson 0.9. Chabot 8
Chychrun 4.6. Zub 4.6
Kleven 0.9 Branny 1.7 Hamonic 1.7 JBD 0.9

Tkachuk 8.3. Stutzle 8.4 Batherson 5
Norris 8. Crosby 8.7. Giroux 6.5
Greig 0.9 Pinto 2.5. Gambrell 1
Kelly .75. Kasty 0.8. Gauthier 1 Watson 1

 

[DaveMatthew]

Crosby might planning leaving Pittsburgh.
Trade: DeBrincat and Joseph for Crosby.
Swayman 3.5. Forsberg 2.75

Sanderson 0.9. Chabot 8
Chychrun 4.6. Zub 4.6
Kleven 0.9 Branny 1.7 Hamonic 1.7 JBD 0.9

Tkachuk 8.3. Stutzle 8.4 Batherson 5
Norris 8. Crosby 8.7. Giroux 6.5
Greig 0.9 Pinto 2.5. Gambrell 1
Kelly .75. Kasty 0.8. Gauthier 1 Watson 1

Lol. If Crosby is "planning" on leaving Pittsburgh, the package would be way more than that. Top prospects + multiple 1sts. Pinto + Greig + Kleven + 3 1sts. The marketing value of bringing in Crosby, alone, make his value astronomical.

 

[Senovision]

Crosby might planning leaving Pittsburgh.
Trade: DeBrincat and Joseph for Crosby.
Trade a couple of prospects to Boston for Swayman.
Trade Zub for a defenceman prospect or a forward prospect to some team.
Swayman 3.5. Forsberg 2.75

Sanderson 0.9. Chabot 8
Chychrun 4.6. Hamonic 1.7
Kleven 0.9 Branny 1.7 JBD 0.9 Guenette 0.9

Tkachuk 8.3. Stutzle 8.4 Batherson 5
Norris 8. Crosby 8.7. Giroux 6.5
Formenton 3 Pinto 2.5. Greig 0.9
Kelly .75. Kasty 0.8. Gauthier 1 Watson 1

 

[Hale The Villain]

Don't Crosby and Giroux hate each other? Not sure they'd want to be linemates

 

[Silencio]

Lol. If Crosby is "planning" on leaving Pittsburgh, the package would be way more than that. Top prospects + multiple 1sts. Pinto + Greig + Kleven + 3 1sts. The marketing value of bringing in Crosby, alone, make his value astronomical.

I agree the proposed value isn't close to enough for Crosby, but trading 3 first round picks isn't something you see often in a salary cap constrained NHL (unlike the NBA where teams are like "here's our next decade of draft picks for Kevin Durant" lol)

 

[BondraTime]

It’s wild to think that the Wild will have picked more players in the 1st from the time our rebuild started in 2018 than the Sens come this draft (just amount, not quality) while being a playoff team every year but 1. Only 2 less seconds as well.

Minny management has been running a tight, tight ship.

They were always going to get Faber, but able to add a 20 year old soon to be top 4 shutdown D only going to Minny must be nice.

 

[SENATOR]

Lol. If Crosby is "planning" on leaving Pittsburgh, the package would be way more than that. Top prospects + multiple 1sts. Pinto + Greig + Kleven + 3 1sts. The marketing value of bringing in Crosby, alone, make his value astronomical.

Crosby is done at 35 to be super elite and will be in a major decline. I would not trade him for DeBrincat who is 25. Only if Pens will throw an additional first rounder. Everyone is looking for a young 40 goals scorer. That's additional 5-7 points in a standing for a good team. 1-2 more wins during Stanley cup playoffs.

 

[Senovision]

Batherson from Nova Scotia skates with Crosby in the summer.
Pintos favourite team was Pittsburgh. I am sure Crosby was hiis idol growing up.

 

[BondraTime]

Crosby is done at 35 to be super elite and will be in a major decline. I would not trade him for DeBrincat who is 25. Only if Pens will throw an additional first rounder. Everyone is looking for a young 40 goals scorer. That's additional 5-7 points in a standing for a good team. 1-2 more wins during Stanley cup playoffs.

Crosby will continue to be a top 10/15 forward in the league for another 3 years minimum. He’s nowhere near done, and doesn’t look close.

Would cost a significant, significant amount added to DBC, as it should.

 

[Hale The Villain]

It’s wild to think that the Wild will have picked more players in the 1st from the time our rebuild started in 2018 than the Sens come this draft, while being a playoff team every year but 1. Only 2 less seconds as well.

Minny management has been running a tight, tight ship.

They were always going to get Faber, but able to add a 20 year old soon to be top 4 shutdown D only going to Minny must be nice.

Thought Guerin killed it at the deadline.

Got a 4th+5th for acting as a 3rd party salary retainer for the O'Reilly and Orlov trades.

Traded Greenway, who was playing like garbage, for a 2nd+5th

Traded a 3rd, two 4ths and a 5th for Johansson, Klingberg, Sundqvist and Nyquist

Made his team a lot better without any cost to his team's future.

 

[SENATOR]

Crosby will continue to be a top 10/15 forward in the league for another 3 years minimum. He’s nowhere near done, and doesn’t look close.

Would cost a significant, significant amount added to DBC, as it should.

At 35 years old super stars do not get traded . Huge risk. Bigger insurance premium. Just a good reward for 2-3 years It is just a business of hockey. If GMs have a 40 goals scorer at 25 years of age, there is no way the player is tradable if not of major issues. In case of Crosby. GMs would not touch him even with a stick. One for one would benefit only Pittsburg. If they sign DeBrincat long term.

 

[BondraTime]

At 35 years old super stars do not get traded . Huge risk. Bigger insurance premium. Just a good reward for 2-3 years It is just a business of hockey. If GMs have a 40 goals scorer at 25 years of age, there is no way the player is tradable if not of major issues. In case of Crosby. GMs would not touch him even with a stick. One for one would benefit only Pittsburg. If they sign DeBrincat long term.

If Crosby became available, there would be a bidding war that hasn't been seen in ages

 

[Qward]

Debrincat extended to Detroit for their 1st round pick.

Then take that pick plus Brannstrom and Joseph to Arizona for Keller

Tkachuk/Stutzle/Giroux
Keller/Norris/Batherson

Done and done

Frees up money to sign Sanderson

 

[GCK]

Debrincat extended to Detroit for their 1st round pick.

Then take that pick plus Brannstrom and Joseph to Arizona for Keller

Tkachuk/Stutzle/Giroux
Keller/Norris/Batherson

Done and done

Frees up money to sign Sanderson

I think you would be hard pressed to get much more from Detroit than NYI 1st and a guy like Rasmussen.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Debrincat extended to Detroit for their 1st round pick.

Then take that pick plus Brannstrom and Joseph to Arizona for Keller

Tkachuk/Stutzle/Giroux
Keller/Norris/Batherson

Done and done

Frees up money to sign Sanderson

I think best case scenario we're getting NYI 1st (currently 18th) + a replacement LW like Kubalik or Fabbri + maybe another B/C prospect or a 2nd.

And I don't think the Yotes are trading Keller. Even if they were the last thing we should do is add another 7M+ forward if DeBrincat isn't re-signing.

Need to direct some of those savings towards a solid goalie and maybe to re-signing Hamonic, provided he's not asking for too much salary or term.

 

[bicboi64]

If Debrincat says he's not interested in extending long-term, I'd have to assume it's for family and not hockey reasons. Most likely, he and his wife would like to move closer to the US midwest (or a short flight away) to be near their support network (similar to why Gaudreau landed in CLB). And to extract maximum value, we'd have to trade him to a team where he'd re-sign, so I think the preferred options would be: Detroit, St.Louis and Nashville.

Out of those, St.Louis seems like the best fit. They were in on Meier, and are looking to do a quicker retool around Thomas/Kyrou.

I wonder if we could do:

Debrincat for Saad (3 years left at $4.5M AAV) + Alexei Toropchenko + 2023 1st (from Toronto).

That's probably the best we could hope for. A guy who can step into the top 6 LW spot and score 18-25 goals, a cheap depth player, and a mid to late first rounder.

Cat for Saad adn the other bits you mentioned would be a solid hockey trade. Saad isn't as good as Cat, but to be our 2LW, he's worth his caphit and gives us time to develop another 2LW or sign someone when our cap situation eases up. I'd be fine with either of NYR or Toronto's pick and an ELC player like Toropchenko or a prospect like Brady Lyle.

 

[bicboi64]

Thought Guerin killed it at the deadline.

Got a 4th+5th for acting as a 3rd party salary retainer for the O'Reilly and Orlov trades.

Traded Greenway, who was playing like garbage, for a 2nd+5th

Traded a 3rd, two 4ths and a 5th for Johansson, Klingberg, Sundqvist and Nyquist

Made his team a lot better without any cost to his team's future.

I've never eaten as much crow as i've had to as much as I have criticizing Guerin. When he did those buy outs, i thought he would go down as one of the worst GMs in history. Like who can compete with $12 million in dead cap. He could've easily used the next few years to tank and waste away Kaprizov's best years, but he's found a way to get good deals signed for his core and some steals. He's robbed some gm's in trades, acted as a 3rd party to acquire draft picks so they can try to keep a pipeline flowing and the team is competitive.

Granted the Wild could still end up sucking for the enxt couple years, but he's done a solid job with his self imposed limitations.