Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[HomaridII]

Two goals in game one of the all star game for demidov in a 9-6 win, his team is going to the finals at 5am.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So in trades it doesnt matter if he doesn't score 40 in a season.

Sure it does over the span of a career. But we’re talking about a player just starting out. He’s only played about 250 games total. If a player is early on in his career and has had injury disrupt individual seasons then it doesn’t matter at all. What matters is the performance in his career so far. That’s why we look at scoring rates.

Stupid argument of the millennium.

What’s stupid is ignoring the fact that injuries have limited what he’s been able to do in individual seasons. He’s still very early in his career but there’s enough to see that when healthy he scores at a rate that works out to 40+ over 82.

We could just put out his per game rate but that wouldn’t have context for people. It’d be meaningless. That’s why you average it out over 82. It shows you how effective a player has been.

Those are real numbers. They aren’t projections of what he might do, it’s what he’s done… we’re simply averaging it out over 82 games for context’s sake. Over his career he’s around 35 goals per 82. That btw is the best goal per game rate for anyone on the NHL at his age level. And when healthy under MSL it’s more like 44 goals per year.

Put it another way if you like… will Michkov have 105 goals in his first 250 games? Maybe he will. But it’s not a given.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The same could be said for Demidov, yet Hab fans are already crowning him the next elite superstar of the organization.

It’s more than reasonable to assume Michkov will outperform Caufield in the future. Never has CC outdone Michkov at the same age.
I mean a 24 y.o. CC can’t even make Team USA. Lol

Of course nothing is given, but (just as it is for Demidov) it’s all about reasonable projection.

I’m not saying it can’t happen. But I don’t think you appreciate how good Caufield has been early on in his career. When healthy he’s churned out goals at a very high rate. It’s not the given that was implied.

And Caufiled broke scoring records in the minors. Michkov played in a completely different league. I don’t concede your argument that Michkov has been better all along. Caufield was the best scorer ever. Yes he played with Jack Hughes but he immediately scored 48 goals in his first 82 under MSL. And he did it in an offensively starved team. He’s already proven he doesn’t need Hughes to score.

Like I said, Michkov has got lots of talent and may well be better. Let’s wait and see.

 

[dinodebino]

Demidov thread, eh…?

 

[Scriptor]

I made an Ivan Demidov hype video! Laine video tomorrow


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Never been so let down by the brevity of a video, even if that play -- apart from looking like he could really get slew-footed in the NHL -- shows a lot of skill against what might be a really bad KHL D, for all we know.

It looked like the start to something good that just stopped.

But, yes, welcome home, Ivan!

I really hope all that talent translates to the NHL without Demidov making himself open to knee injuries from his 10-2 skating style.

 

[Deebs]

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So his nicknane is "The Elf".....Are he and his wife/girlfriend all kinked up with role playing and whatnot lol

 

[HomaridII]

Interview with the demigod. He is open to playing center, watches Canadiens games and is learning French.

 

[Deebs]

You're a winger my boy, just do your thing on the wing and everything is going be alright

“Honestly, I don’t even know if I could play center. I’d have to try. I played center a few times in junior hockey and felt fine,” said Demidov. “But SKA never uses me there. Face-offs would probably be the key factor—I don’t always win them.”

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Interview with the demigod. He is open to playing center, watches Canadiens games and is learning French.

He's Demigod for now, but pretty soon we'll know him simply as Zeus.

 

[DAChampion]

Looks like Michkov has better vision, but Demidov has better scoring and defense.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

You're a winger my boy, just do you thing on wing and everything is going be alright

Agreed.

Bergevin would’ve put him at center, after 3 years of it not working he’d trade him for a 33 year old Brock Nelson because “you don’t ask for more when they offer Brock Nelson”. It’s not PlayStation, afterall.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Looks like they're indistinguishable offensively, but Demidov is much better offensively.

Make-up your mind, bro

 

[DAChampion]

Make-up your mind, bro

I got to maintain my totle as typo master of the forum.

Also I edited my pist.

;-)

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I got to maintain my totle as typo master of the forum.

Also I edited my pist.

;-)

I'd totally like to be able to edit my piss. I'd make it blue so I would think about the ocean everytime I piss.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Interview with the demigod. He is open to playing center, watches Canadiens games and is learning French.

Center is the dream. I’m good with Dach in that role but if Demidov can do it we’d be so much better off.

 

[habdynasty]

By next year at this time the troll vultures will be attacking this kid.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The same could be said for Demidov, yet Hab fans are already crowning him the next elite superstar of the organization.

It’s more than reasonable to assume Michkov will outperform Caufield in the future. Never has CC outdone Michkov at the same age.
I mean a 24 y.o. CC can’t even make Team USA. Lol

Of course nothing is given, but (just as it is for Demidov) it’s all about reasonable projection.

Making or not making Team USA or Team Canada in anything means very little. Usually the people choosing the team are idiots or are trying to build a team with 2 checking lines. Caufield will be the more valuable player. Michkov may outscore him because he chose to go to a mess of an organization. Canadiens will be a deep team so Caufield will likely have to share the offensive opportunities while Michkov will have no supporting cast.

Agreed.

Bergevin would’ve put him at center, after 3 years of it not working he’d trade him for a 33 year old Brock Nelson because “you don’t ask for more when they offer Brock Nelson”. It’s not PlayStation, afterall.

Apparently MB broke Playstation.

 

[WeThreeKings]

By next year at this time the troll vultures will be attacking this kid.

Of course they will. They attacked Price and he's one of the best goalies of all time who was failed by one of the worst GMs of all time.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

By next year at this time the troll vultures will be attacking this kid.

The mouthbreathers will be out in full force in October and completely disappear by xmas.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Looks like Michkov has better vision, but Demidov has better scoring and defense.

I don't see Michkov having better vision, just a better shot.

I think Demidov is superior or equal in every facet of the game other than shooting and he has a good shot.

 

[Team_Spirit]

 

[Redux91]

Random question - has anybody found a way to get a demidov SKA jersey?

 

[Team_Spirit]

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Cant wait for him to do that in a game!

 

[DAChampion]

I don't see Michkov having better vision, just a better shot.

I think Demidov is superior or equal in every facet of the game other than shooting and he has a good shot.

Thanks for that.

I was just reading off the bar chart. I actually don't take those "fancy stats" too seriously , in part because I'm actually trained to use statistics on a professional setting.

The bar chart above says that Mitckov has better passing that Demidov. That could be due to a lot of things, among them:
- statistical fluctuations, notice there are no errors bars which demonstrates the ignorance of the person that made the chart.
- Mitckov had better shooters to pass to (I don't know).
- the person that made the chart has an error in his code (that's extremely common).
- Mitckov likes to admire his passes whereas Demidov will shoot if he can.
- etc.

I have not watched either of them. But it's clear that the preponderance of expert opinion expects Demidov to be a tier level better.

I should have included a caveat that I don't take the bar chart too seriously.