Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[Leto]

Is it just me or I am a bit angry with our management? Weird I know. But how could they have not tried their best to trade up in trying to secure him at 2nd, 3rd or even at 4th overall. Trade our other 1st or multiple 2nd or whatever.
I know we got VERY lucky to get him at 5th overall but talent like him are so rare and he is a franchise defining type of talent. In the end we got our guy (thank god) but we should IMO do better in securing him instead of praying that he drops at our rank. I hope we are more agressive in securing the player we want in the future. Quality > Quantity

Because it just doesn't happen anymore. This has been discussed a lot in the 22,23 and 24 draft threads. You have to go back to 2008 for a team to move within the top 5. Garth Snow famously offered all his picks in the 2012 draft to Columbus for the 2nd OV without any success.

You probably have to pay a price that would be crippling to get a deal like that done.​

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Is it just me or I am a bit angry with our management? Weird I know. But how could they have not tried their best to trade up in trying to secure him at 2nd, 3rd or even at 4th overall. Trade our other 1st or multiple 2nd or whatever.
I know we got VERY lucky to get him at 5th overall but talent like him are so rare and he is a franchise defining type of talent. In the end we got our guy (thank god) but we should IMO do better in securing him instead of praying that he drops at our rank. I hope we are more agressive in securing the player we want in the future. Quality > Quantity

You realize it takes two to tango?

 

[SamHabsFan]

Is it just me or I am a bit angry with our management? Weird I know. But how could they have not tried their best to trade up in trying to secure him at 2nd, 3rd or even at 4th overall. Trade our other 1st or multiple 2nd or whatever.
I know we got VERY lucky to get him at 5th overall but talent like him are so rare and he is a franchise defining type of talent. In the end we got our guy (thank god) but we should IMO do better in securing him instead of praying that he drops at our rank. I hope we are more agressive in securing the player we want in the future. Quality > Quantity

there was a lot of rumors that Sennecke was the pick for Anaheim.. I think Montreal were confident enough that Demidov would slide..but in the end it takes 2 teams to make a trade, and for what we know, maybe they tried to make a deal but nobody bit

 

[Scriptor]

The hell with this "I'm very very angry crap!" we got Demidov and, if all goes well, he'll bea special franchise defining player. Point final.

What's important now is finding another special player in what might well be our last good rebuilding draft in 2025, unless we get another 1st round pick in 2026 from TB or someone else for Evans and then another one for Matheson at next year's trade deadline (3 first round picks in 2026)?

Either way, we need to draft a top-6 C or winger that can make it to the Show by 2026-2027 and start having an impact the very next year on 2027-2028, the final year of Demidov's ELC.

Hage and that player must start having an impact to go along with Suzuki, Demidov, Caufield and Slafkovsky.Dach can be a RW to beck and Heineman (or Roy) on a 3rd line.

 

[Gustave]

The hell with this "I'm very very angry crap!" we got Demidov and, if all goes well, he'll bea special franchise defining player. Point final.

What's important now is finding another special player in what might well be our last good rebuilding draft in 2025, unless we get another 1st round pick in 2026 from TB or someone else for Evans and then another one for Matheson at next year's trade deadline (3 first round picks in 2026)?

Either way, we need to draft a top-6 C or winger that can make it to the Show by 2026-2027 and start having an impact the very next year on 2027-2028, the final year of Demidov's ELC.

Hage and that player must start having an impact to go along with Suzuki, Demidov, Caufield and Slafkovsky.Dach can be a RW to beck and Heineman (or Roy) on a 3rd line.

Good assessment. I’d be tempted to throw a shit ton to anyone selling a C. Like say Elias Petersson. End our drought of missing a top 6, attitude be damned.

Also for a right D, that’s an obvious hole. I don’t care about accumulating a ton of prospects anymore, sorry to say. The big ones we have will be enough for me.

 

[Scriptor]

Good assessment. I’d be tempted to throw a shit ton to anyone selling a C. Like say Elias Petersson. End our drought of missing a top 6, attitude be damned.

Also for a right D, that’s an obvious hole. I don’t care about accumulating a ton of prospects anymore, sorry to say. The big ones we have will be enough for me.

I don't know about Petersson, TBH? But that has more to do with the 11.6M Cap hit, the rumours about a lack of engagement from Petersson and how it would likely take selling the farm to land him.

I guess that management can do their own research before making any offer for Petersson?

What would it take to land Petersson? I doubt that a bunch of draft picks gets it done and I wonder how many years it would set us back in our rebuild to sell the amount of quality assets it would take to land Petersson?

Petersson, alone, and as good as he might be, will not transform the Habs into a Cup winner.

That said, Petersson is a + player every season he has played, except this one where he is currently -3. He is not an offensive player that cheats to create offense. He is a legitimate play driver that keeps the team on the right side of the puck moving forward.

I certainly would love to see a duo of Petersson-Demidov, but Demidov might well be the ask for Petersson, along with Suzuki.

At the very least, Montreal would need to give Suzuki + for Petersson. A value contract to our C +, something like:

Suzuki + CAL 2025 1st round pick + MON 2025 2nd round pick? Would that do the trick?

Or, would Suzuki + Mailloux + CAL 2025 1st round pick do the trick?

Slafkovsky - Petersson - Demidov (off wing)
Caufield (off wing) - Hage - Bear (off wing)
Heineman - Beck - XXX
XXX - XXX - XXX

We are at least three years away from seeing if we really have a 2nd line, under this scenario, and it is a complete waste of time before we start being successful when we are currently in a situation to look to add elements that make us successful in the shorter term.

As an aside, whomever trades for Petersson, at least, truly gets an elite player for the bulk of his peak years and doesn't likely get any years where Petersson is on the decline since his contract runs through his 33rd birthday and not beyond (7 years left after this one).

 

[Gustave]

I don't know about Petersson, TBH? But that has more to do with the 11.6M Cap hit, the rumours about a lack of engagement from Petersson and how it would likely take selling the farm to land him.

I guess that management can do their own research before making any offer for Petersson?

What would it take to land Petersson? I doubt that a bunch of draft picks gets it done and I wonder how many years it would set us back in our rebuild to sell the amount of quality assets it would take to land Petersson?

Petersson, alone, and as good as he might be, will not transform the Habs into a Cup winner.

That said, Petersson is a + player every season he has played, except this one where he is currently -3. He is not an offensive player that cheats to create offense. He is a legitimate play driver that keeps the team on the right side of the puck moving forward.

I certainly would love to see a duo of Petersson-Demidov, but Demidov might well be the ask for Petersson, along with Suzuki.

At the very least, Montreal would need to give Suzuki + for Petersson. A value contract to our C +, something like:

Suzuki + CAL 2025 1st round pick + MON 2025 2nd round pick? Would that do the trick?

Or, would Suzuki + Mailloux + CAL 2025 1st round pick do the trick?

Slafkovsky - Petersson - Demidov (off wing)
Caufield (off wing) - Hage - Bear (off wing)
Heineman - Beck - XXX
XXX - XXX - XXX

We are at least three years away from seeing if we really have a 2nd line, under this scenario, and it is a complete waste of time before we start being successful when we are currently in a situation to look to add elements that make us successful in the shorter term.

As an aside, whomever trades for Petersson, at least, truly gets an elite player for the bulk of his peak years and doesn't likely get any years where Petersson is on the decline since his contract runs through his 33rd birthday and not beyond (7 years left after this one).

It all stems from needing Demidov to have a centerman worth that name next season. Petersson is a name out there but there might be others too.

I agree that trading Suzuki for him does nothing for us. Sure Van could insist on it, but we shouldn’t do it. I go by the price for damaged high end players those last few years; they don’t seem to bring back all that much. Eichel, Miller etc… if that’s the ball park then we have those assets.

We need Demi to fill his promise and having a real combo of top 6 C’s would go a long way towards that goal. All previous GM’s failed in that part of the job, I hope Hugo can fill that spot for once.

 

[lillypad33]

Montreal's biggest obstacle when it comes to success is the lack of performance from guys who are making some big money
Anderson, Dvorak and Gallagher are all paid like impact players, but do not produce like it.
If you could take away 16 million in cap space and add 2 players who are making 11 million each, that would go a long way to making this team more successful.
I feel like packaging Anderson and a 3rd at the trade deadline would be a good way to get rid of some cap space for next season.

 

[Deebs]

Montreal's biggest obstacle when it comes to success is the lack of performance from guys who are making some big money
Anderson, Dvorak and Gallagher are all paid like impact players, but do not produce like it.
If you could take away 16 million in cap space and add 2 players who are making 11 million each, that would go a long way to making this team more successful.
I feel like packaging Anderson and a 3rd at the trade deadline would be a good way to get rid of some cap space for next season.

All three of those guys will be gone by the time it really matters, so it's no sweat off our backs right now.

 

[WeThreeKings]

When does he play again this week?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

When does he play again this week?

 

[WeThreeKings]

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Thank god, don't wanna watch 4 Nations

 

[Habs]

Good assessment. I’d be tempted to throw a shit ton to anyone selling a C. Like say Elias Petersson. End our drought of missing a top 6, attitude be damned.

Also for a right D, that’s an obvious hole. I don’t care about accumulating a ton of prospects anymore, sorry to say. The big ones we have will be enough for me.

I wouldn't trade squat for EP, he's a mentally soft and weak as they get.

 

[JianYang]

Is it just me or I am a bit angry with our management? Weird I know. But how could they have not tried their best to trade up in trying to secure him at 2nd, 3rd or even at 4th overall. Trade our other 1st or multiple 2nd or whatever.
I know we got VERY lucky to get him at 5th overall but talent like him are so rare and he is a franchise defining type of talent. In the end we got our guy (thank god) but we should IMO do better in securing him instead of praying that he drops at our rank. I hope we are more agressive in securing the player we want in the future. Quality > Quantity

When you are trying to get a top 4 pick, it's usually going to take a big premium. Teams put in alot of work identifying who the best pick is for them, and it's going to take something extraordinary for them to abandon that player.

 

[Habs]

When you are trying to get a top 4 pick, it's usually going to take a big premium. Teams put in alot of work identifying who the best pick is for them, and it's going to take something extraordinary for them to abandon that player.

I still can't believe Chicago passed over Demidov, if not just to make Bedard a 'little' happy and giving him someone to play with. This 'you need to take a RHD at all cost' has gotten out of hand.

 

[Team_Spirit]

*Did u come here to earn money for your girlfriend???**

What's going on here

 

[JianYang]

I wouldn't trade squat for EP, he's a mentally soft and weak as they get.

I want more consistency from a guy being allocated that much term and cap space. It's not just the whole jt Miller fiasco, but that 2nd covid year was bizarre too. I also have questions about his durability.

The Canucks are an interesting scenario. Obviously their top 2 guys are extremely talented, but they are also quite small. Not sure if that holds up in the playoff grind where they would have to do the heavy lifting.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I still can't believe Chicago passed over Demidov, if not just to make Bedard a 'little' happy and giving him someone to play with. This 'you need to take a RHD at all cost' has gotten out of hand.

Their loss is our gain, I’m not complaining about this one

 

[FrankMTL]

*Did u come here to earn money for your girlfriend???**

What's going on here

Either Nikishin is not 6 foot 4 as indicated on Elite Prospects, on Demidov is 6 foot 2 or 3 as there's not a big difference in their heights. Looks like Nikishin is closer to 6 foot 2 or 6 foot 3 and Demidov closer to 6 foot 1.

The announcer is clearly standing on something as I doubt he's 7 feet tall.

 

[crosbyshow]

I still can't believe Chicago passed over Demidov, if not just to make Bedard a 'little' happy and giving him someone to play with. This 'you need to take a RHD at all cost' has gotten out of hand.

Me either.

My friends asked me a week before the draft what were the chances that the Hawks would not draft him.

I told them...: 0%.... cause of the fact that :

He was clearly the second best player of the draft and the dream to put him with Bedard for the 10-15 years to come

 

[Redux91]

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What's going on here

Nikishin is 6"4 eh...?

*Frank beat me to it lol

Yeah either Nikishin is 6'2 or 6'3 and Vanya could very well be 6'1

 

[kp61c]

Either Nikishin is not 6 foot 4 as indicated on Elite Prospects, on Demidov is 6 foot 2 or 3 as there's not a big difference in their heights. Looks like Nikishin is closer to 6 foot 2 or 6 foot 3 and Demidov closer to 6 foot 1.

The announcer is clearly standing on something as I doubt he's 7 feet tall.

he is 2 meters tall

 

[Tyson]

Nikishin is 6"4 eh...?

*Frank beat me to it lol

Yeah either Nikishin is 6'2 or 6'3 and Vanya could very well be 6'1

Carolina may have hit a home run with Nikishin.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

I don't know about Petersson, TBH? But that has more to do with the 11.6M Cap hit, the rumours about a lack of engagement from Petersson and how it would likely take selling the farm to land him.

I guess that management can do their own research before making any offer for Petersson?

What would it take to land Petersson? I doubt that a bunch of draft picks gets it done and I wonder how many years it would set us back in our rebuild to sell the amount of quality assets it would take to land Petersson?

Petersson, alone, and as good as he might be, will not transform the Habs into a Cup winner.

That said, Petersson is a + player every season he has played, except this one where he is currently -3. He is not an offensive player that cheats to create offense. He is a legitimate play driver that keeps the team on the right side of the puck moving forward.

I certainly would love to see a duo of Petersson-Demidov, but Demidov might well be the ask for Petersson, along with Suzuki.

At the very least, Montreal would need to give Suzuki + for Petersson. A value contract to our C +, something like:

Suzuki + CAL 2025 1st round pick + MON 2025 2nd round pick? Would that do the trick?

Or, would Suzuki + Mailloux + CAL 2025 1st round pick do the trick?

Slafkovsky - Petersson - Demidov (off wing)
Caufield (off wing) - Hage - Bear (off wing)
Heineman - Beck - XXX
XXX - XXX - XXX

We are at least three years away from seeing if we really have a 2nd line, under this scenario, and it is a complete waste of time before we start being successful when we are currently in a situation to look to add elements that make us successful in the shorter term.

As an aside, whomever trades for Petersson, at least, truly gets an elite player for the bulk of his peak years and doesn't likely get any years where Petersson is on the decline since his contract runs through his 33rd birthday and not beyond (7 years left after this one).

Petterson is the better talent but hasn’t shown he can produce in the playoffs/under pressure vs Suzuki who’s been clutch his whole career. I’d much rather hang on to Nick and find another center to support him rather than trade him away for such a risky player.

 

[Rapala]

*Did u come here to earn money for your girlfriend???**

he is 2 meters tall

Holy Crap can that broadcaster skate. He'd be a fantastic shot blocker at the very least.
His face looks wider than Lane Hutson's chest.