Rumor: Trade Rumors Thread XV: Rangers allowing a team to talk to Callahan

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

A "pretty consistent 25 goal scorer over his career" who has scored 25 goals in the NHL all of two times?

...or 1 more 25 goal season than Callahan.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

...or 1 more 25 goal season than Callahan.

How does that have anything to do with 1) the comment I was responding to or 2) my comment?

You may as well have just said, "I like trucks more than SUVs." in your response.

 

[JaeTM]

Blues fan wanting to chime in if you don't mind (because I like the Rangers and would like to see them succeed)

Under Alain Vigneault, I think Stewart would really thrive. I also think that playing in the Eastern Conference would help him out. He's not as bad as many of our fans make him out to be. He's admittedly not great against teams like LA and Anaheim but those would be at a minimum playing in New York.

I really truly believe that Stewart would be a 30 goal scorer for the Rangers.

Any time I see a Ranger should exceed his current production I automatically think we'll get less than that because our offense is pitiful. So, Stewart should score 30 here? That means he'll probably be a 13-15 goal scorer here and not resigned.

 

[Trxjw]

Just wondering why people think Stewart for Callahan is actually tangible when I can't remember a trade that Sather has made that didn't potentially benefit us in some huge way.

*snip*

What the **** does Stewart for Cally do for us? Nothing. It makes us worse, and at best even.

More likely, if we're inquiring about stewart, it's to move Zucc down to the 2nd line and move Hagelin up to the 3rd line... removing Poo from the lineup altogether.

So why do all of the trades that "potentially benefited" us get the stamp for having upside, but trading for a 26 year old power forward who is pretty much a lock for 20+ goals somehow does not? Stewart regaining his 28 goal form is pretty a freaking significant potential benefit.

Stewart can also play both sides of the ice, so chances are he slots into Callahan's spot and nothing changes at all in the lineup.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How does that have anything to do with 1) the comment I was responding to or 2) my comment?

Well your comment was more about just being a dick, like most of your stuff.

My comment is more about how dissing Chris Stewart's accomplishments are pretty silly. The Rangers could do a lot worse in a Callahan trade when it comes to the roster piece coming back.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

I think most of the sensible people around here understand Stewart holds some value, but he has a 4+ million cap hit and doesn't do much outside of provide some scoring. Hence why, I at least, feel there would need to be more coming back.

You seem pretty level headed.

Is a 1st and Stewart really that out of the question? I got shredded on the trade boards for asking for a 1st too. What do you think?

Thats cool.

Still doesn't mean the Rangers will do a 1 for 1 swap.

I'm sorry. I should have said I don't think it should be 1 for 1. We should be adding, even though Cally is a rental and Stewart has another year.

Stewart + 1st is a little steep in my opinion. Is it outrageous? No but it's probably more than I would go.

I think Stewart + a 2nd or third and a prospect not named Jaskin/Rattie is more fair.

If it absolutely has to be a 1st draft pick, I'd agree to a conditional first assuming Cally re-signs (which I admittedly don't expect)

 

[Hunter Gathers]

So why do all of the trades that "potentially benefited" us get the stamp for having upside, but trading for a 26 year old power forward who is pretty much a lock for 20+ goals somehow does not? Stewart regaining his 28 goal form is pretty a freaking significant potential benefit.

Stewart can also play both sides of the ice, so chances are he slots into Callahan's spot and nothing changes at all in the lineup.

Is he a "lock" for 20+ goals when he's only eclipsed that number twice?

FWIW, I'm not opposed to Stewart at all. I would like something more with him, though. Stewart and a pick for Callahan? Sure.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Avoiding paying Callahan a crazy price and getting SOMETHING in return for him/not letting him walk away in the summer for nothing are entrenched values to the Rangers here.

If you want to look at this as strictly a player for player swap, you'll never be happy.

So trade him just for the point of trading him?

Wasn't it you just a few days ago claiming that a team would pay through their nose to have him for the playoff run?

Chris Stewart is paying through their nose?

Consistent 25 goal scorer? Let's have a player who disappears for 15 games at a time. That's what we're trading the player that shows the most consistent effort on this team, game in and game out, for?

No. I'd rather not trade Cally for SOMETHING. If Chris Stewart is the return, I'd rather keep Cally for the playoff run this year and lose him for nothing... i.e. if that was the previous worst case scenario, trading Cally for Stewart alone would be worse.

 

[Trxjw]

There's a huge cap component to this proposed trade. Klein was a cheapish, long-term deal. Stewart is cheaper than Callahan as it is, and he's signed through next season. The Rangers could see how he responds and lock up a more potent offensive player for less than what Callahan was asking for.

If it goes down, I think it'll be Callahan and a small add for Stewart and one of Vanelli, Schmaltz or Edmonton's 2nd round pick. Then again, it's just Dreger speculating.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Well your comment was more about just being a dick, like most of your stuff.

My comment is more about how dissing Chris Stewart's accomplishments are pretty silly. The Rangers could do a lot worse in a Callahan trade when it comes to the roster piece coming back.

How was it about "being a dick?" Are you ****ing kidding me with that garbage?

Someone presented that as a fact when it is anything but. I responded. I thought my response was fairly measured, too. Then you come back with this obnoxious strawman that made me completely roll my eyes. But whatever. Continue to spew unrelated crap.

Maybe you can debate pulled pork when I comment on a proposed Stewart trade next. Or maybe you can recite the list of Popes when I talk about Stewart's game.

 

[Raspewtin]

So Trxjw, what kinda contract are we giving Stastny?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So trade him just for the point of trading him?

Really dont know how in the world you could come to this conclusion.

But yea, if hes going to remain on a 7 year demand, I support trading him and I dont think Chris Stewart as the main roster piece is a terrible return.

If the Rangers dither and let this go to the summer, and Callahan is still demanding 7 years, I'd support walking away.

...but man, it sure would be nicer to have Chris Stewart.

 

[mcdonaugh]

WOWWW I called for this trade in the other thread... 2 hours before this news was released.

Please let this happen.

Stewart is unreal and would thrive with AV. Nice big boy, he can play with Brass or Rich.

Next stop, stastny.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Really dont know how in the world you could come to this conclusion.

But yea, if hes going to remain on a 7 year demand, I support trading him and I dont think Chris Stewart as the main roster piece is a terrible return.

If the Rangers dither and let this go to the summer, and Callahan is still demanding 7 years, I'd support walking away.

...but man, it sure would be nicer to have Chris Stewart.

Man, I wonder how impossible it is to pry him away from those Blues, stuck on their third line, without having to give up our captain...

 

[slipknottin]

I still think Stewart + Schamltz for cally is pretty fair all around. Maybe add in a conditional 2nd if cally resigns or something like that.

 

[Inferno]

How was it about "being a dick?" Are you ****ing kidding me with that garbage?

Someone presented that as a fact when it is anything but. I responded. I thought my response was fairly measured, too. Then you come back with this obnoxious strawman that made me completely roll my eyes. But whatever. Continue to spew unrelated crap.

Maybe you can debate pulled pork when I comment on a proposed Stewart trade next. Or maybe you can recite the list of Popes when I talk about Stewart's game.

now i'm hungry.


*goes to get lunch*

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

WOWWW I called for this trade in the other thread... 2 hours before this news was released.

Please let this happen.

Stewart is unreal and would thrive with AV. Nice big boy, he can play with Brass or Rich.

Next stop, stastny.

This society is really beginning to assign mediocre definitions to words that previously represented so much more.

 

[Trxjw]

Is he a "lock" for 20+ goals when he's only eclipsed that number twice?

FWIW, I'm not opposed to Stewart at all. I would like something more with him, though. Stewart and a pick for Callahan? Sure.

Given that he has scored 20+ or paced for that number each season of his career save for his rookie season and two years ago with the Blues, I think you can safely say that. I hate to project numbers, but I have a hard time believing that if last year was a full season, he wouldn't have managed to score 2 or more goals in the next 34 games.

He's scored 20+ or paced for that number 3 times. Probably again this season as well. He's missed that measure twice, one of which was his rookie year. Seems like a safe bet to me.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

WOWWW I called for this trade in the other thread... 2 hours before this news was released.

Please let this happen.

Stewart is unreal and would thrive with AV. Nice big boy, he can play with Brass or Rich.

Next stop, stastny.

McDonagh

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

There's a huge cap component to this proposed trade. Klein was a cheapish, long-term deal. Stewart is cheaper than Callahan as it is, and he's signed through next season. The Rangers could see how he responds and lock up a more potent offensive player for less than what Callahan was asking for.

If it goes down, I think it'll be Callahan and a small add for Stewart and one of Vanelli, Schmaltz or Edmonton's 2nd round pick. Then again, it's just Dreger speculating.

If they land Stewart, I 100% foresee a Richards buyout and a push for Stastny. Much as I disgaree about Stastny. That's where the cap $ will be allocated.

 

[NYR Viper]

A "pretty consistent 25 goal scorer over his career" who has scored 25 goals in the NHL all of two times?

09-10
28 goals

10-11
28 goals

12-13
18g in 48 games = 31 goal pace

13-14
15g in 52 game = 23 goal pace

I'd say he has done it a few times. He is only 26...

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Given that he has scored 20+ or paced for that number each season of his career save for his rookie season and two years ago with the Blues, I think you can safely say that. I hate to project numbers, but I have a hard time believing that if last year was a full season, he wouldn't have managed to score 2 or more goals in the next 34 games.

He's scored 20+ or paced for that number 3 times. Probably again this season as well. He's missed that measure twice, one of which was his rookie year. Seems like a safe bet to me.

To me, pacing is completely meaningless. If they don't hit the mark, they didn't hit the mark. Injuries, etc. could always derail a season so I put no real stock in pacing.

 

[Inferno]

i'd want more if it were me.

I'd live with Stewart and a first though.

is it ideal? no, but it could help us restock our farm system with a good prospect, and Stewarts offensive impact would basically offset Callys.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

now i'm hungry.


*goes to get lunch*

I'm going to have some pulled pork for lunch (which is why I thought of that, lol).

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm sorry. I should have said I don't think it should be 1 for 1. We should be adding, even though Cally is a rental and Stewart has another year.

Stewart + 1st is a little steep in my opinion. Is it outrageous? No but it's probably more than I would go.

I think Stewart + a 2nd or third and a prospect not named Jaskin/Rattie is more fair.

If it absolutely has to be a 1st draft pick, I'd agree to a conditional first assuming Cally re-signs (which I admittedly don't expect)

Would you do Scmaltz?