Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Something

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This team desperately needs a trade. There's just not enough speed or size throughout the lineup. We have to have the slowest group of centers in the league. Stepan, Richards, Brassard and Boyle all look like they're skating in quicksand. D Moore has been a pleasant surprise and is the perfect 4th line center, I hope we resign him

What this team really needs though is a pure finisher on the wing and a mean RHD with a big shot from the point. Byfuglien was the best player on the ice tonight; don't know who's available but we need to move MDZ to fill either of these needs. Don't know what you're waiting for Slats, you're not gonna fleece EVERYONE you trade with

Problem is, people think there's just a silver bullet to all of this. We need size AND speed (I don't even really agree there, our centers are the only slow players really). That mean RHD with a big shot is Dylan McIlrath, but man I'd love Big Buff on this team. Would add an entirely new dimension to the D corps.

Preferably, I'd like two more forwards. One high skill, one big and nasty. We're not going to find a player that is both of those unfortunately.

I just really wish we knew what direction this ****ing team is heading in. I'd imagine one of Girardi, Callahan, and Lundy are gone at the end of the year. But I just hope Slats gets SOME value for them.

not much in the way of really appealing assets to grab.

Id love to grab the rights to Burmistrov from the Jets, buy low on Kassian and Connoly, but, thats about it...most trades seem just implausible from one standpoint or the other.

Gillis already got abused by giving up Hodgson for Kassian. He's not going to trade him for anything that's not an overpayment.

Kassian sucks anyway.
 
Gillis already got abused by giving up Hodgson for Kassian. He's not going to trade him for anything that's not an overpayment.

Kassian sucks anyway.

I think Kassian could be a real effective 3rd line banger that puts a few in here and there. If the price wasnt high I'd take a look. If not, oh well.
 
Problem is, people think there's just a silver bullet to all of this. We need size AND speed (I don't even really agree there, our centers are the only slow players really). That mean RHD with a big shot is Dylan McIlrath, but man I'd love Big Buff on this team. Would add an entirely new dimension to the D corps.

Preferably, I'd like two more forwards. One high skill, one big and nasty. We're not going to find a player that is both of those unfortunately.

I just really wish we knew what direction this ****ing team is heading in. I'd imagine one of Girardi, Callahan, and Lundy are gone at the end of the year. But I just hope Slats gets SOME value for them.



Gillis already got abused by giving up Hodgson for Kassian. He's not going to trade him for anything that's not an overpayment.

Kassian sucks anyway.

I doubt any of them leave. The cap goes up, and Richards gets bought out. Girardi is essential for RD, Callahan is the captain, and Lundqvist is the franchise goalie. I'd bet that all of them are back…
 
I said it in the post game thread, but I'd be curious to get responses here as well. What about looking at Elias Lindholm from Carolina? High draft pedigree. Just turned 19 years old (literally, today). Already on the NHL roster. Has 1st line center potential. I doubt Carolina moves Faulk, but Lindholm could be a possibility if we dangle a nice enough piece.
 
I think Kassian could be a real effective 3rd line banger that puts a few in here and there. If the price wasnt high I'd take a look. If not, oh well.

Unfortunately I think that's his ceiling, MG thinks otherwise. His hockey IQ is a joke, and he's not nearly skilled enough to make up for all his stupid penalties + defensive gaffes. People who think Dorsett takes stupid penalties, will get an aneurysm watching Kassian play.

I'd rather have Marcus Foligno, similar player but not nearly as stupid.

I said it in the post game thread, but I'd be curious to get responses here as well. What about looking at Elias Lindholm from Carolina? High draft pedigree. Just turned 19 years old (literally, today). Already on the NHL roster. Has 1st line center potential. I doubt Carolina moves Faulk, but Lindholm could be a possibility if we dangle a nice enough piece.

They'd rather move Skinner, in my opinion.

They would've just traded their pick for defense on draft day. I don't see why they'd do it now if they didn't do it then, unfortunately.
 
Problem is, people think there's just a silver bullet to all of this. We need size AND speed (I don't even really agree there, our centers are the only slow players really). That mean RHD with a big shot is Dylan McIlrath, but man I'd love Big Buff on this team. Would add an entirely new dimension to the D corps.

Preferably, I'd like two more forwards. One high skill, one big and nasty. We're not going to find a player that is both of those unfortunately.

I just really wish we knew what direction this ****ing team is heading in. I'd imagine one of Girardi, Callahan, and Lundy are gone at the end of the year. But I just hope Slats gets SOME value for them.



Gillis already got abused by giving up Hodgson for Kassian. He's not going to trade him for anything that's not an overpayment.

Kassian sucks anyway.

I would do terrible things to get Byfuglien on the Rangers.

Stepan + 2nd for Byfuglien

Buyout Richards, sign Grabovski in the offseason

:sarcasm:
 
hell no.

First line center becomes Brassard or Grabovski… ?

I hope you mean WPG says hell no because that's exactly what would happen.

2014-15 Center depth would be:

Grabovski
Brassard/Miller
Boyle
Moore

Here's the main arguement that I have with people on this board, and it's hilarious:

We don't need our number 1 center to be a defensive specialist. We need him to put pucks in the net and set up Rick Nash. Derek Stepan is not that guy. Every interview of Nash when asked about playing with Stepan:

"Yeah, you know he's so good defensively so he opens up a lot for me out there on the wing"

Which really means:

"This dude can't finish or create space for me because not a single defenseman in the league respects his physical abilities because they'r non-existent, and he's a defensive specialist."

We have Boyle and Moore to play defense on the bottom two lines along with a well above average group of defensive defenseman plus Lundqvist. The priority of our 1C should not and CAN NOT be defense. Our team isn't currently built that way; we need offensive production first and defense second on the top 2 lines. I'm not saying play pond hockey; but on a team that has our D core and Hank, it's not rocket science to understand what I'm saying even though I can guarantee that in t minus 10 seconds some asshat will try and argue that bringing in a less defensive minded center for the top line will cause our team defense to disintegrate
 
What is with the fascination with Big Buff, I'll never understand. Good hard shot and decent checker, there's absolutely nothing else to his game. He is lazy, bad defensively, is not a playmaker and has a hefty contract to boot. The guy is overrated, Enstrom on the Jets is so much better but never gets the same level of recognition.
 
What is with the fascination with Big Buff, I'll never understand. Good hard shot and decent checker, there's absolutely nothing else to his game. He is lazy, bad defensively, is not a playmaker and has a hefty contract to boot. The guy is overrated, Enstrom on the Jets is so much better but never gets the same level of recognition.
Yeah, but Enström is a smallish, weak, soft €uro player
 
Ottawa might sell low on Spezza. He's only got this year and next year left on his contract, albeit at a 7.00 cap hit. Ottawa fans aren't enamored with his play this season, even though he's near a PPG and would be the leading goal scorer and point getter on this team. I think he's a true #1 center and he's someone who has performed well in the playoffs over his career. Ottawa also has Joe Corvo on the last year of a deal, he's doing great this season and is a RHD.

Spezza and Corvo for Staal and Brassard?
 
Ottawa might sell low on Spezza. He's only got this year and next year left on his contract, albeit at a 7.00 cap hit. Ottawa fans aren't enamored with his play this season, even though he's near a PPG and would be the leading goal scorer and point getter on this team. I think he's a true #1 center and he's someone who has performed well in the playoffs over his career. Ottawa also has Joe Corvo on the last year of a deal, he's doing great this season and is a RHD.

Spezza and Corvo for Staal and Brassard?

Don't know about the rest of you, but I'd do it and not think twice.
 
Skinner plays like Eric Lindros in that he's always got his head down when trying to rag the puck / go through people. Except his head is right at elbow / shoulder height. His concussions are sadly not a coincidence. I'd be very wary.
 
before we trade stepan for sucking offensively and not setting up nash enough, i would like to point out that he is 2nd on the team in points.
 
Besides McDonagh and Moore,all of the Rangers D should be made available for the right price. I like Moore. The Rangers can sign him to a cheap 2 year contract. The Rangers can work with them and develop him. Not give them away. D is the Rangers strength but where has it gotten them? These D in particular. Change up the mix. D are hard to find but you don't want to trade them away for nothing and then realize "Oh **** we made a mistake". Girardi and Stralman are group IIIs this summer. DZ is a group II. Staal will be a group III next summer.

Everyone is up in arms about the Rangers loss last night. Is it really a surprise? There are a handful of forwards worth keeping for next season. The D is the same. The media keeps writing about the contract negotiations with Lundqvist and Callahan. Brooks keeps writing about it. The Rangers shouldn't give them 8 year MAX contracts and crazy dollars because the cap will be $100M at the end of this CBA.

Management has some huge decisions to make. They have delayed making them.

The Rangers aren't one trade away from becoming a Cup contender. It doesn't work that way in the real world. It only works that way on NHL 14.

The bottom six needs to be rebuilt. This isn't a four month project.

No stupid trades for guys with term on their contracts. The Rangers rarely do that.
 
Ottawa might sell low on Spezza. He's only got this year and next year left on his contract, albeit at a 7.00 cap hit. Ottawa fans aren't enamored with his play this season, even though he's near a PPG and would be the leading goal scorer and point getter on this team. I think he's a true #1 center and he's someone who has performed well in the playoffs over his career. Ottawa also has Joe Corvo on the last year of a deal, he's doing great this season and is a RHD.

Spezza and Corvo for Staal and Brassard?

2 young guys for 2 old guys? Sounds like a trade the rangers would make in 2000. Horrible. Corvo sucks too
 
Skinner plays like Eric Lindros in that he's always got his head down when trying to rag the puck / go through people. Except his head is right at elbow / shoulder height. His concussions are sadly not a coincidence. I'd be very wary.

It's a shame, he's an amazingly gifted skater and shooter. Deadly accurate shot, and skating ability that few have. His confidence is totally shot because of the headshots he's taken. Carolina's got a GM that's not a believer in having deterrents. As you can see, his star young player is skating around dazed and confused from time to time.
 
Besides McDonagh and Moore,all of the Rangers D should be made available for the right price. I like Moore. The Rangers can sign him to a cheap 2 year contract. The Rangers can work with them and develop him. Not give them away. D is the Rangers strength but where has it gotten them? These D in particular. Change up the mix. D are hard to find but you don't want to trade them away for nothing and then realize "Oh **** we made a mistake". Girardi and Stralman are group IIIs this summer. DZ is a group II. Staal will be a group III next summer.

Everyone is up in arms about the Rangers loss last night. Is it really a surprise? There are a handful of forwards worth keeping for next season. The D is the same. The media keeps writing about the contract negotiations with Lundqvist and Callahan. Brooks keeps writing about it. The Rangers shouldn't give them 8 year MAX contracts and crazy dollars because the cap will be $100M at the end of this CBA.

Management has some huge decisions to make. They have delayed making them.

The Rangers aren't one trade away from becoming a Cup contender. It doesn't work that way in the real world. It only works that way on NHL 14.

The bottom six needs to be rebuilt. This isn't a four month project.

No stupid trades for guys with term on their contracts. The Rangers rarely do that.

But the roster needs to be re-modeled a bit RB. We won't get on track by making decisions on who to keep and fill the other spots from within.

This is -- still -- Torts roster. No doubt. We don't have many players that are sharp with the puck. The D's we have aren't fundamentally flawed, but they are not used to pass the puck in the environemt and under the conditions of the best teams right now in this league. You see McD and Girardi pass the puck one way the first 30 minutes of a game, then go back to that "manure spreader"-type of passing game. Pucks are sent flying all over the place. Callahan plays with his head under his arm. Richards is skating in no-mans land. Scratch that, standing still in no-mans land. Staal is not particulary poised with the puck, looking lost on the ice. No wonder, he hasn't played hockey in a couple of years and before that fought hard just to get along at a high level. Strålman? Well, he is making decent plays. But still pretty "flat" in lack of a better word offensively. And he is not McD II defensively.

Just as Vancouver's D's are driving Torts nuts from time to time, our D's must be giving AV grey hair...

Its a horrible market out there to make moves, but I don't think you can evaluate what we have in sum -- while what we have is fundamentally flawed. Like you can't really answer if the sum of our individual pieces based on what is shown on the ice while those pieces don't fit together anyway. It would look flawed no matter what.

We must get a D that can hit the ice and take controll of the puck and be a top factor in that regard. Moving the puck. Like, no other team has done well without that ever as far as I know, why could we? Heck even Calgary in 03' had Toni Lydman, and they probably come close to having the worst puckmoving blueline for a SCF's ever. Toni Lydman would by far be the best PMD on this team. People are putting their heads in the sand not acknowledging that as far as this team is concerned. I don't get why people can ignore this flaw that this have to the extent you guys are doing it. I mean, if you have no forward that can score 25 goals nobody would expect a cup. If you don't have a goalie that can save 90% of the shots, you don't expect to win a cup (unless you work in Philly). But we can do with a blueline obviously on which Toni Lydman by a wide margin would be a stand out lol. So typical NYR.

Fix some of those flaws, then we can start to evaluate if the sum of what we have is enough or not. I don't think its as far away as some thing.
 
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before we trade stepan for sucking offensively and not setting up nash enough, i would like to point out that he is 2nd on the team in points.

But he'd be first in points if he was on our team... oh wait. I got wrapped up in the whole logic that our guys all suck and every one else's thrid liner would own on our first.
 
2 young guys for 2 old guys? Sounds like a trade the rangers would make in 2000. Horrible. Corvo sucks too

Spezza is hardly "old". He's also a legit #1 center. His contract isn't binding longterm and he'll be a free agent the same year Staal hits free agency. Brassard is due for a raise this offseason and I'm not sure the Rangers want to pay him 3.5-4 million a year. Corvo would be cheap this season and a free agent afterwards. He's also a RHD that passes the puck well, which is exactly what we need on defense.

The trade would have no impact on the team past next season and it actually removes money off the payroll for next year. How that compares to the deals we made in the early 2000s is beyond me. Unless you just assume any trade where one team receives older players is worse. If you don't think Spezza is a significant upgrade over Brassard, you should start watching other teams play hockey.

What do you think we could really get for Marc Staal? I think a #1 center with a decent enough contract is pretty damn good.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Richards-Spezza-MZA

That's a damn good top 6 for this year and next.
 
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