I think Dillon being Dillon means he's just not gettable. What a find by Dallas that kid is.
Doubt Chiasson gets moved. I'd target Ritchie.
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Something
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I think Dillon being Dillon means he's just not gettable. What a find by Dallas that kid is.
Doubt Chiasson gets moved. I'd target Ritchie.
That depends on how much you're willing to pay Anton Stralman. The established UFA price for top 4 D in 2008 was $3.5M. That number has since gone up, and Anton is going to get paid with term.
I'd say it would cost the Rangers at least $3.4M (2x his current salary), on a 3 year deal to keep him, and that's by giving him a contract today.
Anton in the open market will get paid. The Rangers have $33M in cap space next year not counting the cap going up, nor a Richards buyout. With Richards bought out, that gives the Rangers $40M in open cap room, but with that said they'd have to sign 13 roster spots, and that includes names like Lundqvuist, Callahan, and Girardi.
Whose to say some team doesn't offer Anton 4 years and 15-17M? That's going to be his open market value. If Anton has himself a good agent, he'll get above and beyond that. Good on him, and for his family, guy's earned it.
id love Jamie McGinn from the Avs. he would be a big upgrade over Pouliot and Pyatt...
HatTrick Swayze
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It's not about if Moore is better than DZ. I think clearly DZ is better now. It's about trading an expendable asset that will provide the most in return.
Staal would fetch more than DZ. But McD-DZ-Moore isn't cutting it down the left side. Moore would allow the Rangers to keep McD-Staal-DZ down the left but his value is lowest. DZ is the sweet spot. Drop off from DZ to Moore on the 3rd pairing, but DZ will fetch a pretty good price at the end of the day.
Staal would fetch more than DZ. But McD-DZ-Moore isn't cutting it down the left side. Moore would allow the Rangers to keep McD-Staal-DZ down the left but his value is lowest. DZ is the sweet spot. Drop off from DZ to Moore on the 3rd pairing, but DZ will fetch a pretty good price at the end of the day.
Yeah they aren't going to let go of their athletically gifted cheap contracts. Ritchie has more snarl and the power forward potential of those two. I'd welcome Ritchie with open arms. Dillon is an interesting story, he went undrafted because he was 6'3" 175 lbs in his draft year.
Since being passed on he became a workout warrior, getting on a strength and muscle gain program. Ate well, trained hard, and when he hit undrafted ufa status he was 6'3" 230.
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NYR Viper
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I'd give Stralman 3.2 over 4 years pretty easily at this point.
Exactly.
I think McD - MDZ - Moore would be solid down the left side if we had the depth on the right to supplement Del Zotto's game on the 2nd pairing. The real issue isn't necessarily Del Zotto, it's that if we move Staal, then our 2nd pairing becomes Del Zotto and Stralman. Certainly is less viable defensively than Staal/Stralman. If one of Staal or MDZ was right-handed, none of this would be an issue.
Now, if McIlrath comes up and shows he can play reliable 2nd pairing minutes by the end of the year? I could definitely see this whole situation getting turned on it's ear by the time the draft rolls around.
NYR Viper
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The Rangers have a lot of decisions to make in the next couple of years on defense. Girardi and Strlaman are UFA's this year. Falk, Moore and MDZ are RFA's. Next year, Staal is a UFA.
Who do they keep? Who will stay? For how much?
Girardi will get 5+ on the open market pretty easily. Is he worth that to the Rangers?
Stralman, I imagine, will get 3+.
Del Zotto will be looking at 2.5-3 million if he continues his play.
Moore will be looking for a raise most likely.
Same with Falk is he continues to be in the line-up.
Will Staal leave to play with his brothers in Carolina?
Who do they keep? Who will stay? For how much?
Girardi will get 5+ on the open market pretty easily. Is he worth that to the Rangers?
Stralman, I imagine, will get 3+.
Del Zotto will be looking at 2.5-3 million if he continues his play.
Moore will be looking for a raise most likely.
Same with Falk is he continues to be in the line-up.
Will Staal leave to play with his brothers in Carolina?
HatTrick Swayze
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And last point - how many times have we seen the armchair GMs on the trade boards get it wrong? No one there wants Del Zotto. Great. I guarentee you teams will in real life. Cost controlled, no trade restrictions. So many teams need dmen. Get 2-3 in a bidding war and you never know.
HF in general has not come around to "supply and demand" reasoning. Nash was supposed to cost Kreider and Stepan/DZ. The BJs had no leverage. In a Del Zotto trade the Rangers have a good amount of leverage.
HF in general has not come around to "supply and demand" reasoning. Nash was supposed to cost Kreider and Stepan/DZ. The BJs had no leverage. In a Del Zotto trade the Rangers have a good amount of leverage.
HatTrick Swayze
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That's fair I suppose. I personally think its a lot to bank on (McIlrath-DZ as a second pair, even if Mac comes up and impresses for 40 games) and I believe team defense is a HUGE component to the Rangers' success with continued firepower issues up front. But it's not an impossible scenario.
I'd say it's unlikely, but I also thought it was unlikely that McDonagh would come up mid-season and do exactly that. You never really know with these kids.
Somebody pull up the Rangers record with Staal out and DZ on playing 2nd pair minutes. I'm pretty sure it was not sub .500 at all, so we've all seen the scenario of Mcd-G-DZ playing 1-2-3 minutes on the backend.
I think Marc Staal will return to all-star form with a guy like McIlrath on his right side. He's physically matured, and a physically mature McIlrath is an NHL player.
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StepansLabyrinth
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Considering he's been our second best defenseman all season, I think we should give Stralman the money it takes to keep him here. 3.5 for 4 years isn't bad at all for what he's brought this team so far this year. He seems like the type of defenseman that really fits the new system and I'd love to see how he'd play next to McD. We probably won't get that this year since the McD/Girardi pairing has been good and moving Girardi might expose him.
Well I don't know about that. Staal-Girardi hasn't proven to be too bad of a pair exactly. Anton Stralman is a smooth skating mistake free defenseman, he plays his best when he isn't impacting the game. I don't know if that makes him a top pain defenseman.
The Rangers could want to call up McIlrath but they don't have a roster spot for him. They need a player like him now and he will/should be on the team next season. If the Rangers determine he is ready for the NHL but have no roster spot.
To get true leverage with Del Zotto we'll have to wait until teams finally feel panic and feel desperate to trade for him. Trading him now likely won't maximize value. I'd guess around the deadline.
Problem is, by all accounts the team wants McIlrath up. The team is in a tight spot with wanting to bring in someone tougher who it views as a long term fixture on this team and maximizing trade value for DZ.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabres-nhl/foligno-searches-for-consistency-with-sabres-20131201
I would love for the Rangers to acquire Foligno. He's big, mean and can throw hands as evidenced by his demolition of Ryan Carter. I also think that he has some latent goal scoring ability that might be realized by pairing him with one of our playmakers.
I would love for the Rangers to acquire Foligno. He's big, mean and can throw hands as evidenced by his demolition of Ryan Carter. I also think that he has some latent goal scoring ability that might be realized by pairing him with one of our playmakers.
id love if Rangers can develop their own type of player like this before trading for a guy who has been inconsistent of late.. other teams can draft these except the Rangers.. although i would gladly consider moving Del Zotto if Foligno was one of the pieces coming back. maybe Foligno and Larsson for Del Zotto
like what?? i doubt they would take Pyatt or Poo, no way they would take Miller or Kristo for him straight up
id do Del Zotto and someone like St.Croix for Foligno Larsson and 1st
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Of course he's inconsistent. He turned 22 less than 3 months ago. You have to get in on the ground floor with guys like this. Otherwise they become impossible to obtain like Lucic or you get them once they're washed up like Clowe.
silverfish
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Um, why would the Sabres, a rebuilding team, trade Foligno? He's a part of their core. They probably value him close to what you guys would value JT Miller.
They're a rebuilding team. We're not giving them more than a B-level prospect for someone like Foligno. Miller/Kristo will warrant a hang up by Sather before the Sabres GM could finish pronouncing the name. Foligno is a 3rd/4th liner. He'll get some sort of draft pick compensation by the team trading for him.
Sabres aren't giving up any draft picks. DZ isn't gonna get you a 1st back from them. They're stock piling and rebuilding completely. I haven't really seen a team do it as aggressively as the Sabres are doing now... and they still can trade Ott, Miller, and Moulson for more higher end draft picks.
Foligno should get a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd if some team grossly overpays for him. That should be it. If that.
silverfish
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Aside from the bolded - you have no idea what you're talking about.
Sabres aren't going to trade Foligno. They value him high. Most of you probably do not watch Sabres games. What we value JT Miller at is what they value Foligno at.
You want to talk Sabres/Rangers trades? It starts with Ott, and perhaps leeches into Ennis. Foligno is going nowhere.
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