Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Something

[Synergy27]

Maybe we should set Boyle up with an Olympic fighter of some sort during Christmas break.

I mean, why not get someone down to MSG training center one day and instill a bit more toughness into them? Is it that silly of an idea? It's not going to transform our players into fighters but at least they'll handle their physically better and play with physicality more comfortably.

Toughness is all about mindset, not technique. Sure, if you take an already "tough" player that likes to throw 'em and set him up with a fighting coach he might become feared and dominant, but you're not going to coach toughness into a guy like Brian Boyle. It's just not in his makeup, and that's fine.

This is another topic that we've been over multiple times. No one, not just the Rangers, has an answer for Lucic. The guy is an absolutely unique player. That said, IMO, Torts' Rangers were weighted too far towards tough on the tough-skill spectrum. This team is too far towards skill (which is scary since they still can't score), but adding a straight-up tough guy isn't going to help anything. They need to replace the "skill" players on the lower lines (Pouliot and Pyatt specifically) that aren't doing anything with their skill with players that can handle themselves while remaining effective on the forecheck. That's easier said than done though.

 

[haohmaru]

Last year we didnt have them, but this board makes it sound like we NEVER had these guys, then when we DO have these guys and they are inconsistent people complain about not having enough scoring. Its BS. Work with what we got for now and improve later. We won scored 5 goals and won, stop

I won't stop. My primary concern isn't the 5-2 win vs. Vancouver, it's the loss against the B's where Lucic (you know, the guy that gave Nash a concussion) and Chara can do anything they want. Playoffs this year are probably going to through Boston again and this is a "trade/rumors speculation" thread so why wouldn't I talk about the need for upgrades in certain areas? That's ridiculous - it's the whole point of this thread.

 

[Fitzy]

Justin Falk as the 6th dman helps with toughness, and he's a far sight better than Bickel.

We talked about landing Evander Kane who is a tough kid, but landing a heavyweight is not something I'm concerned about.

You don't need to fight Sestito, all you have to do is run their goalie. That's all there is to it. This "Our big guy fights your big guy" thing, it's not as useful as reciprocity.

 

[haohmaru]

Justin Falk as the 6th dman helps with toughness, and he's a far sight better than Bickel.

There's a reason the Rangers drafted Mcilrath. Too bad he's not ready yet.

 

[RangersHank*]

I won't stop. My primary concern isn't the 5-2 win vs. Vancouver, it's the loss against the B's where Lucic (you know, the guy that gave Nash a concussion) and Chara can do anything they want. Playoffs this year are probably going to through Boston again and this is a "trade/rumors speculation" thread so why wouldn't I talk about the need for upgrades in certain areas? That's ridiculous - it's the whole point of this thread.

We lost against Boston because we couldnt score goals. Toughness isnt gonna score. Being tough as Boston takes time, you just dont sign a player and compete with Boston. They built their team to be tough, we didnt. And how do you know we will have to go through Boston? How do you know we will make the playoffs? How do you know Boston will play us in the playoffs?

 

[Tawnos]

We lost against Boston because we couldnt score goals.

Which is exactly how we lost to Boston in the playoffs too. Toughness won't help that.

 

[RangersHank*]

Which is exactly how we lost to Boston in the playoffs too. Toughness won't help that.

Thank you

 

[haohmaru]

Which is exactly how we lost to Boston in the playoffs too. Toughness won't help that.

A gross oversimplification of the problem.

Keep in mind that I'm not advocating toughness for the sake of toughness - I think I've been pretty clear that I want a skilled forward with toughness (Backes, Clarkson, Ladd, etc...). I don't want a guy like Orr or Sestito, not at all.

Boston beat us last year because their 4th line was leagues better than ours was in both scoring (Campbell, anyone?) and forechecking/hitting.

 

[Fitzy]

When Boston turns on the nasty NYR have a tough time matching it.

Callahan hasn't been hitting as much, either. So I hear the whole "need a power forward" thing.

 

[haohmaru]

And, again, what's the point of this thread if it isn't about what we feel will make this team more competitive? If you don't want a tough forward with skills to improve the team then what do YOU want?

 

[Fitzy]

And, again, what's the point of this thread if it isn't about what we feel will make this team more competitive? If you don't want a tough forward with skills to improve the team then what do YOU want?

I think when our forward corps are based around Richards, Stepan, Zuccarello, Brassard, and Hagelin, the size question is a legitimate one.

Nash, Kreider, Boyle have size but they're not hitters for the most part.

Still, we have a long, long time to find a tough forward before the playoffs. One way or another it would help to not play Boston.

 

[Glennsoe]

From the trade section of the main board;

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/11/30/...in-long-island
Quote:
Colorado GM Joe Sakic has been sniffing around to try to get a defenceman. I’ve been told that LW Jamie McGinn has fallen out of favour with Avs’ coach Patrick Roy and is being shopped around as part of a deal to try to get blueline help. McGinn, 25, has a cap hit of $1.75 million and will be an RFA on July 1. He’s still young enough that he could be an attractive option.

Mdz for mcginn? Who has to add to the trade?

 

[Tawnos]

Thank you

People forget that the series was actually pretty close. 4/5 games were 1 goal affairs and the 5-2 loss was close until the 3rd. The Rangers went 2 for 16 on the PP in the series. 12.5%. You make it respectable and score 2 more PP goals, and likely the result is another win, possibly two, making it a long series and a totally different feeling about it this year.

 

[Tawnos]

And, again, what's the point of this thread if it isn't about what we feel will make this team more competitive? If you don't want a tough forward with skills to improve the team then what do YOU want?

Well, don't get me wrong. I would like to add toughness to the group. I just think identifying it as the main problem when we struggle to score more than 2 goals per game is distracting from the real issue. We need goal scoring. We need finishers. If the choice is between, say, paying a huge price for a guy like Kane and paying rental price for a guy like Moulson, I'd rather pick up Moulson.

 

[Gardner McKay]

From the trade section of the main board;



Mdz for mcginn? Who has to add to the trade?

Colorado adds.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

would this trade work between new york rangers and chicago blackhawks?

Rangers trade Benoit Pouliot
Blackhawks trade Kyle Beach and 3rd in 2015
Rangers get there are young forward with character issues but a lot of toughness and size and change of scenery could help

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

From the trade section of the main board;



Mdz for mcginn? Who has to add to the trade?

I would think Colorado would add a decent amount more.

 

[Fitzy]

Beach is out of North America and would only make the NHL on a team like the Flyers.

The opportunity to get a high-middle level pick for a guy in Pouliot who we signed one a 1 year deal for free in the offseason would be tough to turn down.

 

[bernmeister]

I'd really like to see Lindberg or Miller get a chance in between Hagelin and Zuccarello.

I'm pushing:
Super speed line: Kreider - Miller - Cally or alternate
Zuc ok for now, but doesn't play def well enough, so eventually, maybe Kristo.
MILLER IS THE ONLY C WE HAVE WITH ENOUGH SPEED TO REALLY SPRING KREIDER. IN A SYSTEM THAT FEATURES SPEED, WE SHOULD NOT IGNORE THIS REALITY.

Hagelin - Lindberg - Fast = sweet Swede line

 

[Kovalev27]

If henrik makes a routine save we prob go to OT

Guy has let in a softee per game this season at least

 

[bernmeister]

I saw those Nash rumors on twitter heading to the game yesterday. Adam Graves was scouting in Montreal last week. The Rangers aren't trading Nash. He has a no movement clause. The twitter people heard what McKenzie said about Pacioretty. It must be a a trade for Nash.

Correctimundo, per usual.
They may want to move Max Pax, we do not want to move Nash, who doesn't want to be moved.

If there was exception to that rule, it would be a place he would want to play, which presumably is for a top contender.

He's not going to Nash(ville) for Weber.

 

[RangersHank*]

People forget that the series was actually pretty close. 4/5 games were 1 goal affairs and the 5-2 loss was close until the 3rd. The Rangers went 2 for 16 on the PP in the series. 12.5%. You make it respectable and score 2 more PP goals, and likely the result is another win, possibly two, making it a long series and a totally different feeling about it this year.

Exactly. People forget about that, they just see toughness.

 

[bernmeister]

miller should be up playing no reason he should be in the a.. he will make mistakes but i rather him play then pyatt/pouliot.. hes the future give him 3rd line minutes..never really was given a consistent chance..
...

Basically agree.
Would go all in on the gamble.
Kreider - Miller - Cally (or alternate) = 2nd line, 2dl minutes.
More practice/experience would accelerate the process

Lindberg, I see, don't think his ELC is active this year so far, ditto Kristo. Fast early on was here, not sure how many games, esp, since he took spot for a guy on IR. Even though I see a sweet Swede line soon enough (Hags-Lindy-Fast), I get the strategy of helping max ELC + cap structure options long term.

But Miller is already on the clock.
So use him, don't lose him.

Judgment call what is better, 1st line A minutes, or IMO, 2nd or 3rd line mins w/Rangers.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Duncan Siemens, Jamie McGinn, Cody McLeod to Rangers
Del Zotto, St.Croix and Ryan Bourque (Bourque connection)


Rangers get a solid prospect and two gritting wingers that they need... Avs get a defenseman with offensive skill although a too inconsistent at times and they get some depth players...

 

[bernmeister]

Duncan Siemens, Jamie McGinn, Cody McLeod to Rangers
Del Zotto, St.Croix and Ryan Bourque (Bourque connection)


Rangers get a solid prospect and two gritting wingers that they need... Avs get a defenseman with offensive skill although a too inconsistent at times and they get some depth players...

A BETTER VERSION OF THIS!!

Acceptable add-ons + other pieces for cap balance, but basically,

MDZ + for Siemens