Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Something

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Byfuglien would lead NYR in points if he was here :laugh:.

I don't get the hate for him. He's really not lazy. He's frustrating sometimes, but he's a huge difference maker from the blueline. He's on pace for 60 points. Maybe 3 d-men a year get that many.

Put him on Staal's right side and watch him flourish.

He's REALLY lazy. Watch him in transition. He reminds me of Jagr skating to his own bench on line changes: gliding in regardless of what is happening as the other team rushes into his own zone. Buff is an AWFUL defensive player. He is last on his team in +/-, he has the worst giveaway/takeaway ratio on his team, because he turns the puck over all the time. He's lost in his own zone, often out of position, and he doesn't really see the game. His positioning and anticipation is poor. You can kind of get away with that as a forward, but this is a glaring deficiency on defense.

He and his 60 points a year are such huge difference makers that a mediocre bubble team is probably willing to part with him as he enters his prime, despite the fact that he is signed for several years to a contract that one would deem reasonable if one assumes, as you do, that he is something special.

Flourish into what? He has a hard shot and he'll hit someone if he can actually catch up to them. At no point in his career has he ever proven that he has any other notable attribute. Guys don't tend to flourish 9 years into their career. They tend to settle into the roles they've already carved out for themselves.

Big slap shots have always been flashy enough to mislead people into overvaluing players. Buff is an incredibly overrated player. Please stay away. Stop getting stupid, low IQ players. How many years, how many decades have to pass before this lesson is learned?
 
I really like aspects of Buff's game. Like really.

But I think the LAST thing the Rangers need is a player with the "lazy" tag. The brother of one of my best friends played with Buff on a competitive team in MN I believe at 16 and he called Buff "the laziest player" he has ever encountered. I also have a really tough time giving up assets and $5M per in cap space to a guy who can't invest the bare minimum amount of effort to stay in shape.
 
From Montréal here. I come in peace. We heard a lot rumbles that the Rangers and Habs are talking a major deal. Names mentionned: Nash and Brassard vs. Pacioretty, Desharnais, Tinordi or Beaulieu plus a first round pick. One journalist on beat @PatrickCaisse talk about it and dlcoulisses.com also talked about it. Don't shoot the messenger. I just want to know what NYR fans think about it. Thanks in advanced
 
My reaction is that I would be shocked if Sather dealt one of his favorite stars that he pulled a lot of strings to acquire when he hadn't even played 80 games for us yet.
 
Well, that rumor gets your blood pumping.

Nash and Brassard vs. Pacioretty, Desharnais, Tinordi or Beaulieu plus a first round pick.

I don't see how this is nearly enough for the Rangers. Desharnais is a midget and he's lousy. Beaulieu is interesting. I'm not a big Tinordi fan at all. I like Pacioretty a lot but he's not Rick Nash.

I mean, if this deal went through, getting those 2 defenseman tells me 2 things. One, they are trading MDZ. Two, they aren't going to resign Girardi.
 
So the rumor to Montreal doesn't even include DZ? Are we going to make wholesale changes? Seems like we'll be stuck between keeping any remaining semblance of chemistry and going for a rebuild. We'll do neither and be worse for it.
 
Lol, the Montreal forum is hilarious. Apparently they don't "need" Nash or McDonagh, and Kreider is "meh". Same garbage as the main board thread.
 
That would be an interesting deal from a NYR standpoint because it would allow the Rangers to not only trade MDZ but Girardi as well for offense. Your defense would potentially look like


McDonagh-Tinordi
Staal-McIlrath
Beaulieu-Moore
Stralman

Sure would be a tough, mean defense if Tinordi and McIlrath could play regular shifts without being cones.
 
Lol, the Montreal forum is hilarious. Apparently they don't "need" Nash or McDonagh, and Kreider is "meh". Same garbage as the main board thread.

LOL. They honestly have no clue as fans considering they are from Canada. OMG.
 
Lol, the Montreal forum is hilarious. Apparently they don't "need" Nash or McDonagh, and Kreider is "meh". Same garbage as the main board thread.

If they weren't too busy booing they'd see that the guy dominated the second game against them and was one of the best players in the first. Kreider being meh is hilarious. The guy is already a difference maker and he's just a pup. I expect nothing less from Montreal fans though.
 
Well, that rumor gets your blood pumping.

Nash and Brassard vs. Pacioretty, Desharnais, Tinordi or Beaulieu plus a first round pick.

I don't see how this is nearly enough for the Rangers. Desharnais is a midget and he's lousy. Beaulieu is interesting. I'm not a big Tinordi fan at all. I like Pacioretty a lot but he's not Rick Nash.

I mean, if this deal went through, getting those 2 defenseman tells me 2 things. One, they are trading MDZ. Two, they aren't going to resign Girardi.

Gallagher instead of DD gets me at least thinking about it. Of course this could all be BS, but could the Rangers actually be thinking about rebuilding?!?
 
That would be an interesting deal from a NYR standpoint because it would allow the Rangers to not only trade MDZ but Girardi as well for offense. Your defense would potentially look like


McDonagh-Tinordi
Staal-McIlrath
Beaulieu-Moore
Stralman

Sure would be a tough, mean defense if Tinordi and McIlrath could play regular shifts without being cones.

Stralman for sure wouldn't be the 7th dman
 
I think the Rangers could be thinking three things here. One, they want to trade MDZ for forwards and don't want to worry about a defenseman from the Pack filling his role. Two, they don't want to spend the money on Girardi when McIlrath and Skjei could fill the role but they aren't sure how soon those guys will be ready. Three, they aren't sure if the Nash concussion thing will go away.

I also would not count out the Rangers moving Staal in the off-season to Carolina. I don't think he is quite as good as he was before the injury.
 
Nash and Brassard for Pacioeretty, Tinordi, a 1st AND ELLER . . . I would do that. I don't think the difference between Patch and Nash is that big, but the cap hit sure is.
 
That said, it would not surprise me if NHL Gm's were constantly bantering around hypothetical trades and movements.

The NHL is an unusual economy. Players cannot be bought or sold except through free agency, so the NHL constitutes a barter system with the highest possible number of bidders in a trade being 29. In a system without prices, like in soccer, the only means of understanding the value of a player is through other players similarly arbitrarily valued, or picks and prospects, which of course are also always changing in value.

Consequently, the only real way to know what you have in value is to be in constant communication with other Gm;s about trades and exchanges. To know true value is impossible, as players will change, have injuries, slumps, ect. Prospects and picks will boom or bust. But If NYR are to trade a player, the only way to get a good idea of his value is to make the player accessible in talks with as many NHL gm's as possible.

Because the player supply is usually 1 (Ignoring replacement players of a similar mold) and the demand anywhere from 1 to 29, the player usually goes to the highest bidder in free agency. But in the trade market it is tougher. You need to be able to whittle values down to the basics, which in the NHL's closed market is basically draft picks. It makes it very difficult to run an effective trade with such a means of contract ownership. If the NHL were to have players bought and sold from team to team, transactions would be more efficient.
 
No, they are a couple of pieces away. Unfortunately, they're big pieces.

They need big-time help in the bottom-6, a sniper and another defender.

Big problems require big assets to be big solutions.

Bottom 6 - resolve from within

sniper - best bet is likely to be Yakupov, atm. I agree with you to try for him now, but my final ok depends on the cost, the exact package.

another def. More precisely, a RD with premium enough talent to be a difference maker, can grow with the team, worth the investment. Something that moves Stepan + for Ristolainen + or Jones +, mindful that we are not moving McDonagh or Kreider, the 2 foundations we are trying to add to.
 
The Rangers should have bought Richards out in June. There was a split in the Rangers front office. Some wanted him gone. He was kept. He was better in 11-12 when he looked average. The Rangers need major changes. They have some nice pieces. Maybe take a step back to two steps forward instead of patching every hole.

The voice of wisdom...
 
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