It's unfortunate when business and hockey get mixed in. Only reasons not to deal Hank and Callahan. Two fan favorites among casual fans that won't understand why they're being traded.
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Something
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It's unfortunate when business and hockey get mixed in. Only reasons not to deal Hank and Callahan. Two fan favorites among casual fans that won't understand why they're being traded.
BTW, people that say we're more than a couple of pieces away. What about the Hawks? Definition of mediocrity between the 2 cups. We don't have the high end talent they do by any means, but everyone is saying that the pieces are in fact big.
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The thing is we seem to address 1 issue, while trading away a strength which then becomes an issue.
And the cycle continues. The Nash and Gaborik trades are good examples of that.
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It's usually the same holes every year. Not enough top end talent, not enough production from our bottom 6, and we haven't had a PP QB/elite offensive defenseman since Leetch.
It's probably going to take more than one offseason to address these needs, and some, like the PP QB, may never be adequately addressed so long as Sather is in charge.
It's probably going to take more than one offseason to address these needs, and some, like the PP QB, may never be adequately addressed so long as Sather is in charge.
I think the simplicity of your response is whats unfortunate.
For all their struggles, Lundqvist and Callahan are still positives to this roster. Instead of going after the better players, perhaps it'd be a better tactic to go after the 5-7 guys on the roster that offer zilch.
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What about them? They kept their team mostly intact and added a few minor peices to a core that had proven it could do the job. As a team they knew they could play better and they did.
Other than being American O6 franchises, I can see little similarity between the two teams at present
First off Hi I have been coming here for a while but I never post. I finally registered today.
What about some thing around Hank and DZ to Dallas for Lethoneon and one of Nichushkin/Chiasson and Daley. I just think is Hank wanted a reasonable contract he would of been signed by now so lets get some real talent for him while we can. Talbot/Lethoneon combo could be good.
What about some thing around Hank and DZ to Dallas for Lethoneon and one of Nichushkin/Chiasson and Daley. I just think is Hank wanted a reasonable contract he would of been signed by now so lets get some real talent for him while we can. Talbot/Lethoneon combo could be good.
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He's a weird one. Maddeningly inconsistent, has okay hands, and absolutely tough as nails. Historically, when his points have taken dips, he's upped his physical game (2011-2012, 109 PIMs, but only 30 points) which I like. But it'd be much nicer if he played really hard and scored a lot consistently.
I'd like him, but he's not a huge upgrade over say Callahan.
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I would take Stewart in a blink and would offer anyone not named Cally, Nash, McD, McIlrath, Kreider, Miller or Hank
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The Rangers are just a mediocre team. They need top-end talent, but that's not easy to get.
When you add on the contracts that both players are going to get, it changes a lot when it comes to both players.
He's really not that good.
When you add on the contracts that both players are going to get, it changes a lot when it comes to both players.
He's really not that good.
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I left out Staal and Stepan....outside of that...I will take a guy who scores 20 goals, provides Lucic type grit and a tremendous amount do size. Who do we have that can provide that?
I'm saying that just because a team is mediocre doesn't mean it's a million pieces away.
Except even if you don't take their contracts in consideration (I don't know what Lehtonen makes), the drop off from Lehtonen to Lundqvist (not to mention the age) is far smaller than the drop off from a guy like Nichushkin to DZ. The former is being compared to Malkin.
It's convenient for you to think Lundqvist is a positive to this roster. Gives you a great excuse in understanding how the Rangers are still top 10(ish) on D even with how bad you claim they are.
Both guys could be positives but not at their price tags. One guy is a soft goal machine who is set to make a lot of money and one guy is a glorified third liner that will make way more than he should. I'd keep Callahan though, if not for his upcoming contract. I'm still mixed on that. He's still a good 3rd liner but will be paid according to reputation and will likely garner a lot in a trade.
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I don't agree. Stewart's big and VERY strong, but he's not a guy that loves hitting and hurting people like Lucic. He's not nearly the bully that Lucic is. If he used his ridiculous size consistently, he could be. He's more talented than Lucic, but not nearly as imposing. I would take Lucic 10/10 times.
Stewart is definitely one of the more overrated players in the league.
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With people bringing up Callahan a lot, I've been thinking about whether or not I'd trade him. Honestly, I don't think I have the heart to trade a player like him but I'd very interested to see what he could return. Staal is also another interesting name to bring into the conversation. He's a great defenseman but he might have more value to another team than he does to us. Strong, stay at home defensemen like Staal and Girardi don't seem to work as well as passers (like Stralman) or skaters (like McDonagh).
Could a Callahan and Staal (or Girardi) package bring back a #1 center? What about a package like Spezza and Jared Cowan/Eric Gryba? Bryan Little and Big Buff? Kesler and Bieksa?
Could a Callahan and Staal (or Girardi) package bring back a #1 center? What about a package like Spezza and Jared Cowan/Eric Gryba? Bryan Little and Big Buff? Kesler and Bieksa?
Of course, most NHL teams are no more than a 'few' pieces away, but getting the right pieces all to together at the right time for the right cost is the hard part, and something that Slats has shown an inability to do in his time here
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