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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Anything

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[Q=Trxjw;75643599]Unless this team really looks poised to make a run in the playoffs, which is unlikely barring some significant changes, I don't see how this team could justify keeping pending UFA's and then letting them walk in the summer. At one time, there were several kids on the roster who could at least benefit from the experience in the post season, but now? Everyone on this roster has seen NHL ice beyond the end of the regular season. "Gaining valuable experience" is just a cop out now.

If they're borderline, or even just inside the cut, there's literally nothing that can justify not turning expiring assets into useful ones. It would be nothing more than incompetence with a healthy portion of greed.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with your philosophy but i just don't see them packing in as a borderline playoff team. If Sather finds out very soon Girardi is too expensive, maybe they call up mcilrath to see if he can fill in on the right. Maybe they find that scenario where they trade dan for a RD with term. Buy if Girardi is the best option going through April, this organization is keeping him.
 
Hodgy OFWG said:
Say we are in 9-10th in the conference fighting for the wild card spot, would you essentially give up for the season to build for the future?
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outside of 11-12, we always fight for a spot...play the Cap's win a series and then we play a much better team and lose...

Sather will never sell...his time passed a long long time ago. Guy is 70. Too much of a ego maniac to give up...
 
Orr Nightmare said:
outside of 11-12, we always fight for a spot...play the Cap's win a series and then we play a much better team and lose...

Sather will never sell...his time passed a long long time ago. Guy is 70. Too much of a ego maniac to give up...
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the game has passed him buy, its a shame that he has not realized that yet.... its about youth and cheaper contracts, not a bunch of overpriced players that dont produce...
 
DutchShamrock said:
I don't disagree with your philosophy but i just don't see them packing in as a borderline playoff team. If Sather finds out very soon Girardi is too expensive, maybe they call up mcilrath to see if he can fill in on the right. Maybe they find that scenario where they trade dan for a RD with term. Buy if Girardi is the best option going through April, this organization is keeping him.
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I don't think moving a player you don't intend to re-sign is packing in. If you can exchange him for a piece that might not be "there" yet, but has the potential to be a good long-term addition, then it's a minor step back to make the team better in the long run.
 
I just don't see Sather dealing Callahan/Girardi at the deadline. Even if he should.

Just don't see it happening. Most I could see it dealing their rights over the summer.
 
For anyone advocating trading Callahan and/or Girardi... ask yourselves this.

When has a NY team, with unlimited capital at their disposal, and all the press available and focused on them... actually rebuilt or sold off pieces that would promote punting a season away.

Don't count the Mets. They have to operate like a small market team right now.

Have Yankees ever traded aging players for the good of the future? Why wasn't Cano traded?

Have the Knicks ever traded expiring stars for picks? Look at their draft situation. They never have 1st round picks. Rebuild/future isn't in their vocabulary.

Jets/Giants? No rebuilding, just bandaids.

Rangers aren't trading Callahan. They aren't trading Girardi.

Girardi is walking. Callahan is being resigned. Only person who may in fact be traded is Staal, since they'll get a better understanding of where his intentions lie in the offseason. He'd go to Carolina, and Sather would absolutely maximize value for that deal.

We will be buyers at the deadline, as always. Any selling will be done after the playoffs are over. And by sellers I mean of potentially Staal and that's it.
 
Savant said:
I think the Callahan as a second liner debate begins and ends with what an individuals expectations for a second line player is points wise, particularly goals.
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Can you elaborate a bit on this? Is a guy like David Clarkson a second liner? They are comparable.

I think the definition of any line player is set by team depth more than just skill and especially points.
 
kenjets36 said:
For anyone advocating trading Callahan and/or Girardi... ask yourselves this.

When has a NY team, with unlimited capital at their disposal, and all the press available and focused on them... actually rebuilt or sold off pieces that would promote punting a season away.

Don't count the Mets. They have to operate like a small market team right now.

Have Yankees ever traded aging players for the good of the future? Why wasn't Cano traded?

Have the Knicks ever traded expiring stars for picks? Look at their draft situation. They never have 1st round picks. Rebuild/future isn't in their vocabulary.

Jets/Giants? No rebuilding, just bandaids.

Rangers aren't trading Callahan. They aren't trading Girardi.

Girardi is walking. Callahan is being resigned. Only person who may in fact be traded is Staal, since they'll get a better understanding of where his intentions lie in the offseason. He'd go to Carolina, and Sather would absolutely maximize value for that deal.

We will be buyers at the deadline, as always. Any selling will be done after the playoffs are over. And by sellers I mean of potentially Staal and that's it.
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Rangers in 2004?
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Rangers in 2004?
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At a time where the Rangers were 7-8 year perennial disappointments? Constant coaching changes before they traded assets. They had good sample sizes to see if they could be successful with their core. The public didn't care as much about hockey after the lockout. Little-no public scrutiny for going this route.

Much different scenario.
 
DutchShamrock said:
I would rather lose girardi for nothing than get ransomed into a Wideman-esque or higher type contract. Girardi has value because he is right and plays there. But if he is on the decline we can't afford to pay him at a premium just for his stick curve.

At the same time, you just do not dump a post season run to get a return on FA assets. Cap space is an asset too.
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Post season run?
 
RangersHank said:
You can give me all the stats and predictions all you want, the fact is that Brassard and Callahan are not as good as you think they are. I like them both, but Callahan hasnt done much and Brassard is just inconsistent. There are no for sure point scorers on this team so all those stats mean nothing
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Whatever, I'd love to see you mention a ton of 3rd lineers on other teams that are soooo much better than Cally, Brass or Hagelin lol.
 
Fitzy said:
Its possible, but that happens with many a franchise. Typically, players are sold only if the team is out of playoff position.

Now, were NYR to flip Girardi+ for Byfuglien, as I have suggested, they use that value to get a good player at the same position on a long term deal.

Do something like that. Firstly, losing Boyle for nothing is not a tragedy. We got him for a third and have gotten many more good years of service out of him for that. We should also try to re-sign him on a cheap deal.
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If anyone is going to take a hometown discount, I would think it's Boyle. For anything up to $2M, he's a good deal. Of course, some team will probably throw the Prust contract at him if he makes it to UFA, but I wouldn't trade him. Boyle does everything you want out of a 4th liner: great defensively, throws the body, wins draws, and PKs. Put 2 hard skating bangers on his wing, and that's a really good 4th line. Maybe if guys like Yogan and Kantor are ready next year, you try them.

Hodgy OFWG said:
I'd still like to keep Stralman for next year if the $$ is right
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Exactly. I don't know how anyone could be unhappy with Stralman's play this year. He's been the definition of steady. Sure, he's not physical, but as a 2nd or 3rd pair RD, we could do a whole lot worse. Amazing what he's become given we basically picked him up off the scrap heap. As long as his contract demands are reasonable, he's a guy you have to keep IMO.
 
Ola said:
Whatever, I'd love to see you mention a ton of 3rd lineers on other teams that are soooo much better than Cally, Brass or Hagelin lol.
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You said we have good depth, meanwhile we cant score a damn goal. Throwing a bunch of players together is not depth, sorry. Torts put Gaborik on the 4th line, depth? Or playing bad? Richards on the 4th line, depth or bad play? ok
 
Ola said:
Whatever, I'd love to see you mention a ton of 3rd lineers on other teams that are soooo much better than Cally, Brass or Hagelin lol.
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And i never said anything about anybody being better, i said Callahan isnt on the 3rd line for depth, he is there because he belongs there. Brassard is too inconsistent. Dont put words in my mouth
 
Callahan won't get traded. They will hold onto him, sign him to a contract and hope he will get healthy and return to being a plus player. For better or for worse.

Girardi is a different story. I have no idea what Sather will do with him. For all the "Sather is definitely going to xxxxxx" there really is no precedent. Girardi is young-ish, homegrown and has been a significant player on the team for 7 years. If they do not have plans to re-sign him (I am not sure they do, or that it is even a good idea) then it is possible they move him.
 
Girardi will probably be given the Roszival treatment. He'll be a little overpaid for lack of an alternative, the fanbase will continue to sour on him beyond reasonable levels, and he will eventually be traded for much less than we could get for him now.
 
Letting Girardi and/or Callahan walk for nothing would be such a disappointment. Teams with a legitimate shot at the cup would pay a kings ransom for either of them. Solid, hard-nosed players with playoff experience. I'm not just talking about acquiring draft picks, teams may be willing to give up on less experienced players to solidify their lineup for a cup run.

The Rangers are not a Del Zotto trade away from being legitimate contenders. I understand that anything can happen, but anything never happens. Instead, the Rangers will squeak into the playoffs and get hammered by a far superior team. Trading expiring contracts is the only way this team will get quality youth and/or high draft picks.
 
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