Fitzy
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The Rangers are 4th in the east in Regulation/overtime wins.
See, this is the danger of selective stats. We've just made the team look worse, and better than it is using two facts.
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The Rangers are 4th in the east in Regulation/overtime wins.
See, this is the danger of selective stats. We've just made the team look worse, and better than it is using two facts.
The Rangers are beating Boston in a seven game series or Pitt? The Rangers need 7 games to win any series. They don't score enough goals. Henrik can't score the goals and prevent them. I'm still waiting for management to start making some moves. Lundqvist wasn't a hard decision. Sign the guy. It took them until December 4 to sign him.
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Yeah, and it looks like the contract is what everyone was predicting it would be. Wonder why it took so long there. You DO NOT let Henrik Lundqvist hit the market.
Yup, agree with you there, on when will they start trading for some much needed high end talent. The most recent time we've had 2 or more game breakers on this team, it only lasted half a season (Nash/Gaborik), and Gaborik was having an off year on his wrong wing...
On Hank, and why it took so long to get done, I'm suspecting Hank wanted max years (8 yrs) at probably $8M/per, and management wanted probably max 6yrs/$7.5M-$8Mn. Hank took less years but more $$ to compensate, and management was OK with that I guess...
For what it is worth, I expect AV to get this team to a level where they can beat a Boston or PITT. They should at least be able to compete against them (while loosing a thight series would be no shame).
Anyway, if AV can't get that out of this team I don't think he has done a great job here.
A move or two is probably needed.
I think many are underrating the ability of the team as a whole because we are insecure in areas you cannot be weak in. The transition game especially. A team that struggles in the transition game will never be consistent. We are making a big change there that can't wait and it's going to take time. And probably some personel change.
Torts teams never had a remote chance against the better teams in the POs and we were always pwned by the worst teams that made it. I definitely expect more out of AV.
Anyway, if AV can't get that out of this team I don't think he has done a great job here.
A move or two is probably needed.
I think many are underrating the ability of the team as a whole because we are insecure in areas you cannot be weak in. The transition game especially. A team that struggles in the transition game will never be consistent. We are making a big change there that can't wait and it's going to take time. And probably some personel change.
Torts teams never had a remote chance against the better teams in the POs and we were always pwned by the worst teams that made it. I definitely expect more out of AV.
Snyder would have made Hank a minority shareholder and on the board for Comcast........
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This team is better then how they are playing. When you have Hagelin and Brassard on the third line, scoring should NOT be an issue. The problem is that Callahan, Hagelin, and Staal (three of my favorite players) are playing like utter garbage. The forwards look invisible and Staal looks noticeably bad. Not coincidently, these are three players who returning from serious injury, but that's not an excuse.
The player I would trade RIGHT NOW, is Staal. That way you can allow MDZ and Moore to play their natural sides. I would honestly do a Demers, Wingels and a 3rd for Staal trade. Maybe the Rangers aren't getting enough but that's a trade I think San Jose does. That would give the Rangers a righty PP specialist and who could play decent minutes. If Girardi wants more then 5 mil, he can leave and the Rangers resign Strålman to a 2 yr 7mil deal. Sign MDZ for 4 yr 14 mil. Moore for 2 yr 3 mil. Resign Falk for 2yr 2 mil. Bring up McIlrath.
McD - Strålman
Del Zotto - Demers
Moore - McI
Falk
The player I would trade RIGHT NOW, is Staal. That way you can allow MDZ and Moore to play their natural sides. I would honestly do a Demers, Wingels and a 3rd for Staal trade. Maybe the Rangers aren't getting enough but that's a trade I think San Jose does. That would give the Rangers a righty PP specialist and who could play decent minutes. If Girardi wants more then 5 mil, he can leave and the Rangers resign Strålman to a 2 yr 7mil deal. Sign MDZ for 4 yr 14 mil. Moore for 2 yr 3 mil. Resign Falk for 2yr 2 mil. Bring up McIlrath.
McD - Strålman
Del Zotto - Demers
Moore - McI
Falk
Sather was offering six years at between $7.5M-$8M. He wouldn't move. I heard McKenzie say on tsn radio that the Rangers compromised because they felt the lack of a contract was hurting his play and it only takes one team to make a crazy offer with the cap going up. There was the Talbot stuff. They couldn't afford to lose him. They have so many holes on the roster. Underperforming players. So many unsigned players. Sather is very reactionary. Not pro-active. He doesn't act until he has no choice.
Matt Nieto has to be in any trade the Rangers make with SJ. I like Braun better than Demers. Nieto is a great skater. Sharks pro scout JFJ has scouted many Rangers games at the new transformed MSG. Nieto is in the AHL right now. He had 5 points last night. Kreider. Hagelin. Nieto. Left wingers.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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BBKers
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Lundqvist wanted 8,5 to 9 for seven years. I reported this in August. He would not move. He did not. Sather caved
So biron was buried in the minors now he's retired and off the books. So pouliott has the same salary right? If not dealt for a Hal body I imagine he goes on waivers
Jabroni
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Definitely. Moves need to be made. Too many passengers.
MDZ is done here from all of the articles you posted, just waiting for the right trade.
I'm all for trading Girardi if he wants too much. But we're low on RD and if he goes, we need another RD. I think he could get a lot from being traded.
BBKers
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An AHL body would suffice
Ben Street in the Calgary organisation would be fine
26 yo old career AHLer that has offensive upside
Hartford needs help up front
Fitzy
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The rangers have decent forward playmakers in Stepan, Richards, Brassard, Zuccarello. They have a superstar in Nash and a two-way guy in Callahan.
What they need is a sniper/poacher. Gaborik hasn't been good this season either. But most of the goal scorers in the league are established. The goal scorers who could be had are Moulson, Cammalleri, Gaborik, maybe Vanek or Yakupov. That is the kind of guy NYR can get barring a move for another superstar forward which would be ill-advised considering the loss of players to get him.
"Price is not an object"
"Perhaps not, but have you considered the cost?"
What they need is a sniper/poacher. Gaborik hasn't been good this season either. But most of the goal scorers in the league are established. The goal scorers who could be had are Moulson, Cammalleri, Gaborik, maybe Vanek or Yakupov. That is the kind of guy NYR can get barring a move for another superstar forward which would be ill-advised considering the loss of players to get him.
"Price is not an object"
"Perhaps not, but have you considered the cost?"
Paulie Walnutz
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Hypothetically. If we traded Del Zotto and a prospect for a top 6 forward who actually produced at that rate. We'd have:
Kreider-Step-Nash
Forward-Richards-Zucc
Hagelin-Brassard-Cally
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett
Pyatt, Miller, Fast, Pouloit as spares if need be
... That's very balanced. The depth is there in that scenario. So in reality, from achieving that balance, we're a top 6 forward away... hypothetically.
That being said. I think you need to trade DZ for a 2c. If you ask me personally, I think you need to give up Brassard in the package too to get something of substance in return. Does anyone really want to trade anything of substance for DZ alone? Probably not. Brassard helps get someone that will be a fixture here for a while. A 3c is easier to find than a 2c. Lindberg, Miller are immediate options. A cheaper FA could also be looked for. 3c is an easier hole to fill. Brassard isn't the 2c solution after Richards is bought out. He's too inconsistent.
Its Ryan McDonagh's team. Usually when a new coach comes in,there is a change in leadership on the team. Its always a sticky issue when the coach tries to change the captain. Its only a big deal in the NHL because the players were a letter. Brent Sutter striped the captaincy from Elias and gave it to Langenbrunner. If Callahan stays,he can keep the C. The A's to Staal and Richards. McD should be wearing one of those A's. Many things need to change with this team. Two years was two years ago. Different team. Different coach.
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The Rangers need to find a way to make their fourth line:
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett.
They need to get sufficient depth in the top 9 to make that happen. I don't think the answer to that question is JT Miller, but I've discussed that enough around here.
The Boston series last year proved that the fourth line can win you games in the playoffs. If this is the Rangers fourth line, it can compete with Boston's Thornton line.
We see it every year in the playoffs. Bottom 6 guys taking series over and creating room and opportunities for the top 6 guys. I think Sather and co. thought they were fixing that this year with the addition to the top-9 of a guy like Pouliot. Unfortunately, and is unfortunate, that didn't work out.
They also need a way to get Richards to the wing full-time.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Richards - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett
Does that corps go far in the playoffs?
I don't think so. Need a 2C or a veteran 3C (not Richards).
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett.
They need to get sufficient depth in the top 9 to make that happen. I don't think the answer to that question is JT Miller, but I've discussed that enough around here.
The Boston series last year proved that the fourth line can win you games in the playoffs. If this is the Rangers fourth line, it can compete with Boston's Thornton line.
We see it every year in the playoffs. Bottom 6 guys taking series over and creating room and opportunities for the top 6 guys. I think Sather and co. thought they were fixing that this year with the addition to the top-9 of a guy like Pouliot. Unfortunately, and is unfortunate, that didn't work out.
They also need a way to get Richards to the wing full-time.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Richards - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett
Does that corps go far in the playoffs?
I don't think so. Need a 2C or a veteran 3C (not Richards).
pld459666
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I think u r going to be disappointed if u expext more from AV as HE works with less.
The canucks could not match the Bruins physicality.
The Rangers cannot match the Bruins physicality nor can they match the Pens talent.
A "system" can only get u so far. After that its a matter of will and talent and the Rangers lack on both fronts.
We are not beating either team in a 7 game set.
pld459666
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Oh. Aside ftom last years playoffs. Torts Rangers had 11 wins against the Bruins the previous 4 seasons.
silverfish
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Comparing the regular season to the playoffs is unfair. The playoffs are an entirely different animal. It's all about depth.
Pld- Fair pts, but you can get to a team like Boston by making them adjust. And Pittsburg too for sure.
We should be able to find ways to compete with a team like that at least.
You know, I just don't believe in the "Seriously, we can't compete with Boston in a 7 games series"-talk. I think we are better than that.
We should be able to find ways to compete with a team like that at least.
You know, I just don't believe in the "Seriously, we can't compete with Boston in a 7 games series"-talk. I think we are better than that.
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