imagine if Sather dealt Del Zotto Pouliot and Boyle for Gonchar and Whitney
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Anything
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imagine if Sather dealt Del Zotto Pouliot and Boyle for Gonchar and Whitney
Savant
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Imagine the FA contract he is drawing up for Whitney if you really want nightmares.
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Callahan is an elite 3rd liner that can play top six in a pinch, but plays better with grinders. He is okay on the second line and very good at special teams.
Agree with everything but being ok on the second line. I hope he sees PP time and not alot of second line time
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You've made it very plain that you don't think he can play the 2nd line. Do you care to explain your reasoning behind this, or are you just trolling?
What about his game says this to you? He has played top 6 minutes for the past 3-4 years and thrived in doing so. He goes into the tough areas of the ice and fetches out the puck, forechecks well, and creates space for the more skilled players. A very large majority of his assists come at even strength by doing exactly this, considering he plays in front of the net on the PP. His hands are pretty decent, and when hes not making those stupid ass behind the back no look passes he is an ok playmaker.
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I think the Callahan as a second liner debate begins and ends with what an individuals expectations for a second line player is points wise, particularly goals.
Ok i'll explain it.
Those top 6 minutes came on a Torts team that thrived from grinding and forechecking like crazy. Callahan is a beast at all those things but those are things that a good 3rd liner does which is why i think he is not a 2nd liner. Also alot of his points come from special teams, nothing wrong with that but its a fact. He is a great PPG scorer and he is good in front of the net.
On an AV team that requires a little bit more speed and skill, Callahan is not a 2nd liner. It seems like whenever he is in the top 6 this year he slows things down and brings down the line. Callahan is a great player but he hasnt been good this year and i dont really see how he fits in the top 6 on an AV team. Callahan on the 3rd line is perfect. First PP unit and PKing with 3rd line duties would be perfect. No need to force him on the 2nd line, play him on the 3rd and let him use his specialties there.
The Rangers have McDonagh. They really like Moore. McIlrath could be getting a call up soon. AV isn't happy with the play of the D. AV likes the bite brought by Falk because the Rangers don't have much bite on D. Girardi and Staal are not tough physical D. McIlrath should be that guy next season. Maybe sooner than next season. Second half of the season. Right-handed shot. Give him a feel and taste of the NHL.
Brady Skjei has had a very good sophomore year. He should be a key player on the US WJC team. Minnesota is the top team in the country. The Rangers signed Stepan after his sophomore year. They wanted to sign Kreider after his sophomore year. Do the Rangers try to sign Skjei in the spring to begin his pro career if Skjei continues to play well/continues improving his game? Probably. That Minnesota team can win the NCAA tournament after all of the upperclassmen left last season. Brady's play is a big reason why. Skjei is another guy who skates like McDonagh and Moore.
Conner Allen had a good camp. Justin Braun came from the same school. He has become a good player in the NHL. Braun was a 7th round pick. Allen was a free agent. Not much difference. AV liked Allen in camp. On his play in camp,Allen should have made the team. The Rangers didn't want to keep him as a 7th or 8th D. He will compete for a spot next season.
Girardi. Staal. Del Zotto. Stralman.
Brady Skjei has had a very good sophomore year. He should be a key player on the US WJC team. Minnesota is the top team in the country. The Rangers signed Stepan after his sophomore year. They wanted to sign Kreider after his sophomore year. Do the Rangers try to sign Skjei in the spring to begin his pro career if Skjei continues to play well/continues improving his game? Probably. That Minnesota team can win the NCAA tournament after all of the upperclassmen left last season. Brady's play is a big reason why. Skjei is another guy who skates like McDonagh and Moore.
Conner Allen had a good camp. Justin Braun came from the same school. He has become a good player in the NHL. Braun was a 7th round pick. Allen was a free agent. Not much difference. AV liked Allen in camp. On his play in camp,Allen should have made the team. The Rangers didn't want to keep him as a 7th or 8th D. He will compete for a spot next season.
Girardi. Staal. Del Zotto. Stralman.
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I can understand why.
Girardi's game just doesn't fit the team's new philosophy and Staal, while he might have been able to adapt once, has seen his overall game diminish - not sure if it's a permanent thing due to the eye or if he'll eventually bounce back as he regains his confidence. To me it doesn't matter - if he doesn't figure it out soon, his value will start to diminish further and there's always that uncertainty about summer of 2015. I would move both (although not at the same time) to garner solid returns from teams where they'd be better fits. Stralman I actually think is just fine on the right - especially until you've identified who can complement McD and Moore. If you can get him for a reasonable deal, I think you keep him. MDZ is the most interesting piece to me. I actually think he can play this game very effectively on the left side. If you trade Staal, is he keeper material? Or is there more to it - are there practice rink/off the ice issues that AV doesn't like...?
Very curious to see how this plays out. Sure we could use more scoring, more grit and more size up front. But as I watch this team more and more, I wonder if the real issue isn't Staal/Girardi. They are just fine zone by zone (although you'd like more offense obviously) and players who deserve to play a lot precisely for that prowess, but the wheels fall off in transition - and I think the fact that they play that much, but are that ill-suited to AV's strategy is perhaps the major factor holding this team back.
Falk hasn't been terrible, I somehow don't think McIlrath would be a huge downgrade from him if at all. Why not give the kid a chance for the upside?
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To say he isn't a top6 player in this system vs he isn't a top 6 player at all are two very different things. I agree, his skillset was much more suited to Torts' system, and he is still trying to find his way under AV.
We both agree he is an exceptional special teams player on both sides. I know there has been plenty of times the last 2 seasons where I've said "wow that was a nice pass by callahan" or he goes and scores goals like these
Like I said, I think he has pretty decent hands. You need good hands if you're gonna score goals playing in front of the net. He may not be the ideal 2nd line player, but i think its a bit disingenuous to say he doesn't have enough skill to play on the 2nd line. I'ld guess he would be playing the 2nd line on a good number of teams.
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Its a trick because I'm sure they'd love to get assets for guys expiring who they might not keep, like Girardi, but they don't want to pull the plug either. Move some players around.
I highly doubt you'll see us dump guys at the deadline if we're in playoff position.
I highly doubt you'll see us dump guys at the deadline if we're in playoff position.
i just dont see him as a top 6er in any type of skilled system. Not only AV's.
Yeah i said the same thing but under AV i havent said things like that yet, hopefully i can.
I still dont think he has the skill to play on the 2nd line, maybe once in a while or something but not every game. And plus Torts played grinders in the top 6 plenty of times.
I dont think Callahan will last on the 2nd line here.
stupid decision. i say dump all of the UFA that Rangers management feels that is not part of the future.. a guy like Boyle Girardi or Callahan can help rebuild this franchise if the right decisions are made...
i bet Girardi and Boyle walk without Rangers get anything for them
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Its possible, but that happens with many a franchise. Typically, players are sold only if the team is out of playoff position.
Now, were NYR to flip Girardi+ for Byfuglien, as I have suggested, they use that value to get a good player at the same position on a long term deal.
Do something like that. Firstly, losing Boyle for nothing is not a tragedy. We got him for a third and have gotten many more good years of service out of him for that. We should also try to re-sign him on a cheap deal.
Now, were NYR to flip Girardi+ for Byfuglien, as I have suggested, they use that value to get a good player at the same position on a long term deal.
Do something like that. Firstly, losing Boyle for nothing is not a tragedy. We got him for a third and have gotten many more good years of service out of him for that. We should also try to re-sign him on a cheap deal.
Say we are in 9-10th in the conference fighting for the wild card spot, would you essentially give up for the season to build for the future?
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Buffalo had that issue with Brian Campbell. They were poised for a deep run and knew he was leaving... probably the most sought after FA that summer. Maybe not the best example for competent front offices but there are others.
There is no way this team is tanking a playoff run just to get a return on free agents. Sat her said Henrik was the first item on his agenda. The other guys will fall into place. If negotiation go sour fast, Cally asking north of clarkson money, girardi asking for a payday after his recent play... maybe sat her finds an early deal to get an RFA or some a guy with manageable term.
We are not trading girardi and Callahan for picks st the deadline though.
There is no way this team is tanking a playoff run just to get a return on free agents. Sat her said Henrik was the first item on his agenda. The other guys will fall into place. If negotiation go sour fast, Cally asking north of clarkson money, girardi asking for a payday after his recent play... maybe sat her finds an early deal to get an RFA or some a guy with manageable term.
We are not trading girardi and Callahan for picks st the deadline though.
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I wouldn't sell player for picks. I might move G for a younger NHL defensemen who isn't as credentialed, but not a pure picks-prospects sale.
Unless this team really looks poised to make a run in the playoffs, which is unlikely barring some significant changes, I don't see how this team could justify keeping pending UFA's and then letting them walk in the summer. At one time, there were several kids on the roster who could at least benefit from the experience in the post season, but now? Everyone on this roster has seen NHL ice beyond the end of the regular season. "Gaining valuable experience" is just a cop out now.
If they're borderline, or even just inside the cut, there's literally nothing that can justify not turning expiring assets into useful ones. It would be nothing more than incompetence with a healthy portion of greed.
If they're borderline, or even just inside the cut, there's literally nothing that can justify not turning expiring assets into useful ones. It would be nothing more than incompetence with a healthy portion of greed.
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I would rather lose girardi for nothing than get ransomed into a Wideman-esque or higher type contract. Girardi has value because he is right and plays there. But if he is on the decline we can't afford to pay him at a premium just for his stick curve.
At the same time, you just do not dump a post season run to get a return on FA assets. Cap space is an asset too.
At the same time, you just do not dump a post season run to get a return on FA assets. Cap space is an asset too.
Oh no I wouldn't be just for getting picks but also get players who could hopefully fill the void of the player leaving or the void in another position
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