Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Anything

[Hire Sather]

We blow tied games in the third, let alone not tie in games we trail in.

Yep, its so frustrating to lose the points like we have.

Especially because in years past its actually one thing we've been good at.. keeping games tied in the 3rd and at least getting it to OT.

EDIT: thought I was in the Around the NHL thread. Oops

 

[Ola]

Look at our assembled team. Our coach and our personnel are averse to being physical.

Many of Cally's hits came when he was grinding on the boards. Dumping and chasing promotes physicality. It doesn't take much skill to dump the puck and battle it out on the boards. Physicality trumps there.

This is a much more skill driven coach. Cally is on the first line. He's adjusting to the team needing him as a goal scorer, not as an energy guy.

Getting another goal scorer shifts him down to the 3rd line, our checking line, where he should be.

But lets not pretend like we hit much under Torts lol.

You can probably count big hits made under 3.5 years of Torts on if not one hand so two hands. You got Strålman's hit against Philly, Boyle crashing into Spezza giving him a concussion (accident?), Orr had one against the Caps that I think was under Torts that got him suspended, Staal have had a hit or two, does MDZ hit on Neil qualify?, and a few others.

 

[Ola]

Callahan has definitely mellowed out in the past couple of seasons. He used to get chippy after whistles and stir things up, now he looks disinterested. I wonder if the injuries finally caught up to him and he's worried about getting hurt

The guy was fierce when he first came back. Had a few awsome games and got alot of praise from AV. I think that second injury got to him. You know, a 2-3 month shoulder injury on top of it now in December would be a tremendous blow for him. It seems like he is holding back a bit.

 

[Ola]

Let me frame it this way...

When he is healthy, Callahan is a 55 point player who hits, blocks shots, and is good on both the PK and PP. He is a US national team regular and leader, and our team captain.

Somehow 5.5 million for Callahan is horrid at a time when the cap is higher than it was for contracts like 5 million per for Rolston and 7 million per for Drury?

6m per would be awsome for Cally. That is a big discount. Make up for it in terms of years. 7 or 8 years would make sense. Give him the money early in the deal and then have it level off. Give him a full NMC for 5 years, but not for the last years.

 

[Ola]

Go look at how many players were on the Bruins were on their Cup team when Julien became coach in 2007-08. Players that played at least 1 game.

Nine

Chara
Lucic
Krejci
Ference
Thornton
Rask
Thomas
Bergeron
Savard

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000322008.html

They won in Julien's 4th year.

AV's had 8 players in his first year in VAN who played on the Cup final team in 2011 which was his 5th year in VAN.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392007.html

Great stuff and I think it tells you everything you need to know about what it takes to win something in the NHL today. IE a team. CHI has had great continuity, despite changing coaches.

It just takes time to get a good transition game. To be able to play a misstake free momentum winning hockey. We went in the wrong direction for 3.5 years. Now we must make the right decisions.

 

[I Eat Crow]

6m per would be awsome for Cally. That is a big discount. Make up for it in terms of years. 7 or 8 years would make sense. Give him the money early in the deal and then have it level off. Give him a full NMC for 5 years, but not for the last years.

Sorry Ola, you're out to lunch here. I would flip out if the Rangers have Callahan 6 million dollars a season or a 7-8 year term. Both would be a catastrophic event.

 

[EEL]

Hank got a kings ransom and I can live with that but.................
If they overpay for the Capt I'll be pissed!

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers can turn their attention to the trickier tasks of locking up captain Ryan Callahan and first-pair defenseman Dan Girardi, both of whom are pending unrestricted free agents, and both of whom are going to command more on the open market than Sather likely is comfortable paying at the moment.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/04/a-deal-worthy-of-a-king-pact-good-for-henrik-rangers/

Trade Girardi. The Rangers can't allow him to walk-away from nothing. The Rangers aren't a Cup contender to justify losing a major asset for nothing. They shouldn't sign him to a contract and then regret signing him to that contract in the next year or two.

Lundqvist signed a 7 year extension. Its not a this season or bust deal. The young kid they draft in June could be on the team in a year like Brodin and Hertl. That player will be major contributor for entire length of the Lundqvist contract. The Rangers still need to build their team. $8.5M is a lot of money for a goaltender. The Rangers will need to add some entry level guys to fill the holes. It will still be a tight situation next season. They have so many players to re-sign. All of them want more money. In 2015,Stepan and Hagelin will up for new deals again. Keep the players you want to keep and then try to improve the team. There is only so much money to go around. Keeping this current team together isn't the solution. The new coach will look to bring in his own guys and weed out some players. They aren't bad players or bad people. Teams change.

Sather wanted to get Lundqvist done first. The Rangers get a number for him. Then they can look at other options.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Wonder what Sat her would be looking for in return for Girardi? I'm assuming if they dealt him they'd retain MDZ and Stralman. Who'd get first pairing minutes on the right side? Would they still move MDZ for help on the right side? You have if you trade Girardi and MDZ:

McD - XXXX
Staal - Stralman
Moore - McI

In the summer you have up front (assuming Callahan is brought back and Richards bought out):

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
XXXX - XXXX - Callahan
XXXX - Brassard - XXXX
XXXX - XXXX - Dorsett

Kreider, Brassard and MZA are RFA's. Do we try to package Brassard with MDZ to upgrade one of the open positions?

UFAs are Boyle, Pyatt, D. Moore, and Pouilet. Depending on the cost id like to see D. Moore and Boyle back for the fourth line. You'd then have:

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
XXXX - XXXX - Callahan/MZA
XXXX - Brassard - MZA/Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett

What can we get to fill those holes via trade? What's available as UFA that is worth while? What kids will be ready? Miller? Fast? Lindberg? Kristo? I'm assuming the team is hoping one or two can make the jump and stick.

Some major decisions need to be made at the trade deadline and the draft.

 

[wolfgaze]

http://nypost.com/2013/12/04/a-deal-worthy-of-a-king-pact-good-for-henrik-rangers/

Trade Girardi. The Rangers can't allow him to walk-away from nothing. The Rangers aren't a Cup contender to justify losing a major asset for nothing. They shouldn't sign him to a contract and then regret signing him to that contract in the next year or two.

Lundqvist signed a 7 year extension. Its not a this season or bust deal. The young kid they draft in June could be on the team in a year like Brodin and Hertl. That player will be major contributor for entire length of the Lundqvist contract. The Rangers still need to build their team. $8.5M is a lot of money for a goaltender. The Rangers will need to add some entry level guys to fill the holes. It will still be a tight situation next season. They have so many players to re-sign. All of them want more money. In 2015,Stepan and Hagelin will up for new deals again. Keep the players you want to keep and then try to improve the team. There is only so much money to go around. Keeping this current team together isn't the solution. The new coach will look to bring in his own guys and weed out some players. They aren't bad players or bad people. Teams change.

Sather wanted to get Lundqvist done first. The Rangers get a number for him. Then they can look at other options.

Who are the Rangers going to replace Girardi with? Take a look at the projected UFA defensemen for 2014 and 2015.... Slim pickings... How many of the few options available can play the right-hand side and would sign for a reasonable amount/term while on the open market?

Del Zotto is on the outs.... Rangers cannot afford to field a defensive lineup with Staal, McDonagh, Stralman, and John Moore as their top 4.... There is no depth there if Staal or McD suffers an injury and misses any significant amount of time - plus those two would be forced to log absurd amounts of playing time with Girardi out of the picture and given the shortcomings of the other available d-men on the roster.....

The situation with Girardi might not be ideal but all circumstances considered, it's the best option for the Rangers to try to re-sign him to an 'workable' deal.... They run the risk of having to field a roster with significantly less defensive depth or having to compensate for Girardi's departure by handing out equally inflated contracts for the less than ideal pending UFA d-men market over the next two summers....

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

It's not so much the money that worries me w Girardi it's the term. I would love a 3 year $4.5-4.75 deal.

 

[Ail]

Who are the Rangers going to replace Girardi with? Take a look at the projected UFA defensemen for 2014 and 2015.... Slim pickings... How many of the few options available can play the right-hand side and would sign for a reasonable amount/term while on the open market?

Del Zotto is on the outs.... Rangers cannot afford to field a defensive lineup with Staal, McDonagh, Stralman, and John Moore as their top 4.... There is no depth there if Staal or McD suffers an injury and misses any significant amount of time - plus those two would be forced to log absurd amounts of playing time with Girardi out of the picture and given the shortcomings of the other available d-men on the roster.....

The situation with Girardi might not be ideal but all circumstances considered, it's the best option for the Rangers to try to re-sign him to an 'workable' deal.... They run the risk of having to field a roster with significantly less defensive depth or having to compensate for Girardi's departure by handing out equally inflated contracts for the less than ideal pending UFA d-men market over the next two summers....

Even though I agree with this I still cringe more at the thought of overpaying a probably on the decline Dan Girardi. If they move both he and DZ at the deadline or prior to, they will probably bring back a top4 d in one trade. You would think anyway.

 

[RangersHank*]

There will be alot of question marks next year. The lineup could look alot different. Gotta decide if the expiring contracts are worth bringing back.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Sorry Ola, you're out to lunch here. I would flip out if the Rangers have Callahan 6 million dollars a season or a 7-8 year term. Both would be a catastrophic event.

as much as i love ryan callahan the player, no way we pay him any more than a 5 yr deal. if we do, we will screw the pooch once again.

dude is a warrior for sure but hell be broken down in the next 3 yrs. his production wont get any better and as he ages, hell become less effective with the game he plays.

say what you want but his hands were never great to start. take away his hitting and forecheck ability and you are left with a role player type guy within 3 yrs.

love the guy but 5 yrs/5 mil tops.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

http://nypost.com/2013/12/04/a-deal-worthy-of-a-king-pact-good-for-henrik-rangers/

Trade Girardi. The Rangers can't allow him to walk-away from nothing. The Rangers aren't a Cup contender to justify losing a major asset for nothing. They shouldn't sign him to a contract and then regret signing him to that contract in the next year or two.

Lundqvist signed a 7 year extension. Its not a this season or bust deal. The young kid they draft in June could be on the team in a year like Brodin and Hertl. That player will be major contributor for entire length of the Lundqvist contract. The Rangers still need to build their team. $8.5M is a lot of money for a goaltender. The Rangers will need to add some entry level guys to fill the holes. It will still be a tight situation next season. They have so many players to re-sign. All of them want more money. In 2015,Stepan and Hagelin will up for new deals again. Keep the players you want to keep and then try to improve the team. There is only so much money to go around. Keeping this current team together isn't the solution. The new coach will look to bring in his own guys and weed out some players. They aren't bad players or bad people. Teams change.

Sather wanted to get Lundqvist done first. The Rangers get a number for him. Then they can look at other options.

Brah, the caps going up to like a zillion brah it's all good brah

 

[offdacrossbar]

http://nypost.com/2013/12/04/a-deal-worthy-of-a-king-pact-good-for-henrik-rangers/

Trade Girardi. The Rangers can't allow him to walk-away from nothing. The Rangers aren't a Cup contender to justify losing a major asset for nothing. They shouldn't sign him to a contract and then regret signing him to that contract in the next year or two.

Lundqvist signed a 7 year extension. Its not a this season or bust deal. The young kid they draft in June could be on the team in a year like Brodin and Hertl. That player will be major contributor for entire length of the Lundqvist contract. The Rangers still need to build their team. $8.5M is a lot of money for a goaltender. The Rangers will need to add some entry level guys to fill the holes. It will still be a tight situation next season. They have so many players to re-sign. All of them want more money. In 2015,Stepan and Hagelin will up for new deals again. Keep the players you want to keep and then try to improve the team. There is only so much money to go around. Keeping this current team together isn't the solution. The new coach will look to bring in his own guys and weed out some players. They aren't bad players or bad people. Teams change.

Sather wanted to get Lundqvist done first. The Rangers get a number for him. Then they can look at other options.

yup. the hank contract will force us now to be very thrifty.

we will need guys like miller, mcilrath, kristo and kreider to play important roles for this team next season. we need to find value in our kids now.

pay cally 5/5 and move girardi at the deadline for a player and or pick.

we cannot let girardi walk.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Brah, the caps going up to like a zillion brah it's all good brah

You again?

Cap will go up SOME but it doesn't mean piss away cash for players that we could get something for and be better in the long run.

 

[stenis22]

Wonder what Sat her would be looking for in return for Girardi? I'm assuming if they dealt him they'd retain MDZ and Stralman. Who'd get first pairing minutes on the right side? Would they still move MDZ for help on the right side? You have if you trade Girardi and MDZ:

McD - XXXX
Staal - Stralman
Moore - McI

In the summer you have up front (assuming Callahan is brought back and Richards bought out):

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
XXXX - XXXX - Callahan
XXXX - Brassard - XXXX
XXXX - XXXX - Dorsett

Kreider, Brassard and MZA are RFA's. Do we try to package Brassard with MDZ to upgrade one of the open positions?

UFAs are Boyle, Pyatt, D. Moore, and Pouilet. Depending on the cost id like to see D. Moore and Boyle back for the fourth line. You'd then have:

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
XXXX - XXXX - Callahan/MZA
XXXX - Brassard - MZA/Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett

What can we get to fill those holes via trade? What's available as UFA that is worth while? What kids will be ready? Miller? Fast? Lindberg? Kristo? I'm assuming the team is hoping one or two can make the jump and stick.

Some major decisions need to be made at the trade deadline and the draft.

Hagelin?

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

You again?

Cap will go up SOME but it doesn't mean piss away cash for players that we could get something for and be better in the long run.

But hockey's different here

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

But hockey's different here

Spend money go big but go big smart....

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Who are the Rangers going to replace Girardi with? Take a look at the projected UFA defensemen for 2014 and 2015.... Slim pickings... How many of the few options available can play the right-hand side and would sign for a reasonable amount/term while on the open market?

Del Zotto is on the outs.... Rangers cannot afford to field a defensive lineup with Staal, McDonagh, Stralman, and John Moore as their top 4.... There is no depth there if Staal or McD suffers an injury and misses any significant amount of time - plus those two would be forced to log absurd amounts of playing time with Girardi out of the picture and given the shortcomings of the other available d-men on the roster.....

The situation with Girardi might not be ideal but all circumstances considered, it's the best option for the Rangers to try to re-sign him to an 'workable' deal.... They run the risk of having to field a roster with significantly less defensive depth or having to compensate for Girardi's departure by handing out equally inflated contracts for the less than ideal pending UFA d-men market over the next two summers....

I agree with this. Any contract they replace his with is gonna be just as bad. Now if you want to tell me they are swapping MDZ for a comparable RH dman that could work. I would rather trade DZ for a center prospect on the cusp. Someone has to play D on the right side. Stralman is a keeper. That's one. Is McIlrath ready to be a top-4 NHL d? Last thing I would want to do is rush that kid.

 

[darko]

If Girardi is willing to take say 4/20 I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Cally will be tricky. Then again if there's a guy that would take somewhat of a discount it'd probably be Callahan.

 

[eco's bones]

I agree with this. Any contract they replace his with is gonna be just as bad. Now if you want to tell me they are swapping MDZ for a comparable RH dman that could work. I would rather trade DZ for a center prospect on the cusp. Someone has to play D on the right side. Stralman is a keeper. That's one. Is McIlrath ready to be a top-4 NHL d? Last thing I would want to do is rush that kid.

I like Stralman but I don't think he's capable of playing a sustainable 1st pairing quality defense for us. He's fine on the second pairing and McIlrath could take the third. We'll still need a 20-25 minute guy for the first pairing who can stand up to the attrition of the job description or offset it with offensive creativity. We don't have an in house solution that replaces Girardi. Outside solutions are going to cost us probably more to replace him--whether in terms of traded players/prospects/draft picks and/or whether in the amount of $ and term it takes to get that solution.

 

[eco's bones]

If Girardi is willing to take say 4/20 I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Cally will be tricky. Then again if there's a guy that would take somewhat of a discount it'd probably be Callahan.

That's about the best case scenario for us.

 

[I Eat Crow]

as much as i love ryan callahan the player, no way we pay him any more than a 5 yr deal. if we do, we will screw the pooch once again.

dude is a warrior for sure but hell be broken down in the next 3 yrs. his production wont get any better and as he ages, hell become less effective with the game he plays.

say what you want but his hands were never great to start. take away his hitting and forecheck ability and you are left with a role player type guy within 3 yrs.

love the guy but 5 yrs/5 mil tops.

I've been over it, but I cannot justify giving Callahan a raise on what he's making now. His numbers have stayed the same and he's been hurt more. I love what he brings, but he's an injury or two away from going the way of Chris Drury. I'd say anything more than 3 years and $15 million total would be a mistake. If he got 6 million a year AND the 7-8 years Ola is suggesting, I might have a stroke.