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You're right. I forgot. He could be punching people RIGHT NOW. If only we'd had him to punch people, we probably would have scored a few more goals last night.
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You're right. I forgot. He could be punching people RIGHT NOW. If only we'd had him to punch people, we probably would have scored a few more goals last night.
Terrible return
Michalek has little to no value. A rental earning 6 million this year!
MacIlrath is a better player then Gryba.
n8
WAAAAAAA!!!
i would love to see how MDZ would respond to playing on the LD with McI anchoring him down on the RD. I just don't think AV will give him the chance, much like Torts would inexplicably keep putting Bickel in the lineup.
The question is, does MDZ really not fit? Is trading John Moore really not an option in this situation too?
The question is, does MDZ really not fit? Is trading John Moore really not an option in this situation too?
Jabroni
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There will be some tough decisions coming up this off season.
It ultimately comes down to the almighty dollar. What will Callahan and Girardi want?
OverTheCap
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Definitely agree with the bolded.
At this point, the question shouldn't be "can we afford to retain our UFAs/RFAs?" but rather "can we conceivably win a cup with these UFAs/RFAs?"
The problem is that Sather, in all likelihood, will not trade most of these players with expiring contracts, which is our best chance of getting some value back. And we can't just let the majority of these players with expiring contracts walk - it will be too hard to fill these holes via free agency or internally. So I think a lot of these guys may be back next year, and unfortunately some like Callahan may be overpaid. And it will more of the same - a middling and inconsistent offense that isn't good enough to take it that next level to win a cup.
n8
WAAAAAAA!!!
I'd be interested in having a deal centered around Greening. He'd be like having another Hagelin/Kreider speed player. He's struggling this season but he'd add that special jam to yet another one of our lines. If McI is ready, then we don't need to fill the hole but if not, we'd need to complicate the deal or make another one to fill the hole. Or be ok with Falk. And dump Pyatt/Pouliet which is like a win-win right? Also, lol Marc Methot! more CBJ players? Do we grab Klesla while we're at it?
(not saying Methot is bad, largely unfamiliar with him)if Klesla clears would this trade work
Del Zotto Pouliot to Coyotes for Henrik Samuelsson, Klesla
Del Zotto Pouliot to Coyotes for Henrik Samuelsson, Klesla
The Gloaming
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Well think about this scenario.
DZ gets dog housed out of here by AV. DZ's return isn't a better athlete, and DZ goes onto do what he's shown to be able to do for 200+ NHL games, and that is be a top 4 D on winning team and cracking top 15 in D scoring.
Rangers end up losing Girardi, and overpaying Stralman.
John Moore, who has never been a top 4 defenseman, doesn't crack the top 4, as he hasn't done in a 100+ games. Marc Staal gets $50M to walk to Carolina.
What's the Ranger defense then... Mac Truck and Co?
How many years is it going to take to fix that scenario?
Ail
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Can't build a team around 'what ifs', good or bad ones. Sometimes you have to roll the dice.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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nsvoyageurs
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As a NYR and NYY fan, I agree with what you've said here. With McCann, I really hate giving up the no. 1 draft pick for him (though they can get one back if Granderson/Kuroda/Cano sign elsewhere). Both the Rangers and Yankees don't have young top level elite players in their pipeline; they only way to get those is via the draft, or selling, which both have been loathe to do. They think that New York fans would never go for a rebuild, especially for the ticket prices they charge (they may have a point with that). But from a hockey/baseball standpoint, a rebuild is necessary for the long term sustainability. If the organizations are honest with their fan base, say this is the direction we need to go for the long term, be patient, you can see the younger players grow together instead of bringing in a much of mercenaries who probably don't want to be here anyway; we'll spend at the right time, I think at least some of them will be on board; I know I would. Just my opinion.
The Yankees have a bunch of untradeable contracts; the Rangers have Richards, who if traded would kill the NYR cap wise with the recapture if traded; Nash has a no movement clause (though he waved to to come to the NYR), and his contract would be tough to fit for a lot of teams without sending something back; Lundqvist is a UFA after this year; Staal has 1 year left after this, may join his brothers in Carolina.
A full out rebuild would be tough to do for both (much harder for the NYY though), making it an unlikely scenario in the foreseeable future.
Not a full rebuild for the Rangers. The people on this board propose deals for 30 plus year old rentals who aren't going to make the Rangers a better team. The Rangers have the money to re-sign any player they want. Keeping all of them means the same mediocre team remains. The team is 12-12.
The Rangers have more home grown guys than the Yankees and two basketball teams.
smoneil
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I'm intrigued by Orlov from the Caps. He's a lefty, but has played the right side for years. He might come cheap because he's apparently pissed off at Caps [mis]management.
I don't move MDZ for him, but if the plan IS to move MDZ, then swinging another minor deal (Pou or Pyatt and a pick) for Orlov would not be the worst move in the world (and would give the team some insurance in case Girardi/Strals/Staal walk in a year or two).
I don't move MDZ for him, but if the plan IS to move MDZ, then swinging another minor deal (Pou or Pyatt and a pick) for Orlov would not be the worst move in the world (and would give the team some insurance in case Girardi/Strals/Staal walk in a year or two).
Ail
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smoneil
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Hmm. That would be the kind of name that would make it worth looking at an MDZ trade, but I'm not sure what else we have to offer than Montreal would want. They would probably need another LW to fill the hole left by Pacioretty, but Pyatt/Pouliot likely don't get it done, and Kreider/Hagelin is too much to offer. It's a tough spot, since MDZ by himself isn't enough to get him, but the gap between MDZ and Patches is too big to be covered by our other available parts, but not big enough to justify moving one of our other pieces.
IF we could swing Orlov in a separate deal, I would look at Carolina as a trading partner for MDZ. Maybe something along the lines of MDZ for Lindholm and a pick? Orlov would be able to play 3rd pair RD while also giving us cover for the potential loss of Girardi/Stralman. Lindholm would give us cover at C for the inevitable buyout of Richards and the uncertain future of Brassard. As an added benefit, MDZ at LD on the Canes might make them less likely to throw a big offer at Staal in the offseason after next.
Emptyvoid
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Ail
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smoneil
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I'd be fine with Fast or Lindberg, but MDZ and Miller might be a bit rich for my blood. Miller's going to be a good one.
JC704
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Just curious: Would STL ever entertain a phone call around a trade surrounding Del Zotto and a high pick for Stewart? I doubt that's enough, but I've wanted Stewart on the Rangers for what seems like forever.
Maybe: Del Zotto and Miller for Stewart + ____ ?
Maybe: Del Zotto and Miller for Stewart + ____ ?
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