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I think it's hard to see DZ not moved at this point. We're not playing him at his right side and giving him an opportunity to succeed and he's not playing. That said he doesn't have to be moved. It's not like he's Stu Bickel or even Falk is, so I can see us holding for a decent deal.
Brady Skjei
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I don't know where the "Rangers are interested in Mark Stone" came from to be honest.. I, personally, am interested in Stone as part of a package for DZ, but I haven't read anything that makes it apparent that that's who the Rangers are after from the Sens.
I'd love Patches (as would most of us would) but, as others have said, the Habs don't really have a need for another PMD in DZ unless they plan on letting Markov and/or Diaz walk.
What would it take to get Orlov here? Gonna be honest, don't know too much about him.. can he play both sides? Only 22..
I'd love Patches (as would most of us would) but, as others have said, the Habs don't really have a need for another PMD in DZ unless they plan on letting Markov and/or Diaz walk.
What would it take to get Orlov here? Gonna be honest, don't know too much about him.. can he play both sides? Only 22..
Someone on the trade board said that the Rangers are interested in Stone. Maybe he's wrong.
I thought that I read on the trade board that Orlov is a LD.
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Hence why I said I'm not sure if montreal would go for it. I listed what I would be willing to offer, nothing more.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Change is good.
Wait, wait, wait. Someone said that the Habs would want McD + Kreider + MORE for Pacioretti? (Clearly he wants payback for the original McD trade and the Kristo trade all in one fell swoop...)
Someone needs to tell the funny man that he's got it backwards - he'd need to add to MaxPac to get McD alone (much less McD + Kreider). It's hard to compare D to forwards, but I'd say that McD is at least as good a player, if not better, than Pacioretti - and then throw in the incremental value that defensemen command in a deal... sorry, bud.
Please tell me this joker was universally heckled.
Barnaby
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Wait, wait, wait. Someone said that the Habs would want McD + Kreider + MORE for Pacioretti? (Clearly he wants payback for the original McD trade and the Kristo trade all in one fell swoop...)
Someone needs to tell the funny man that he's got it backwards - he'd need to add to MaxPac to get McD alone (much less McD + Kreider). It's hard to compare D to forwards, but I'd say that McD is at least as good a player, if not better, than Pacioretti - and then throw in the incremental value that defensemen command in a deal... sorry, bud.
Please tell me this joker was universally heckled.
In his defense... that would even things up to cover for the Gomez trade ;-)
Raspewtin
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Not a single trade will help this team to be a contender until they change management and a philosophy of the organization. Sather had a lot of years and chances to prove himself and succeed in NY but never did. This group of players has no size, staying away from hitting and play with no heart. I say thanks to Sather and co. for making this team who they are now. Wake up people!!!
Raspewtin
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I think there's literally not a single poster on this board who thinks Sather isn't a problem.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Seriously. I give Sather a lot of credit on the things I think he's done well... probably more so than most on this board. However, that doesn't mean I want to see him continue running this team.
StepansLabyrinth
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There's no defending how he acquired players like Drury, Redden, and Gomez. The last few years, though, he hasn't made too many moves that have completed killed us*. There seemed to be an organizational change in philosophy at some point. Right now, our entire defensive corps is under 30. Our only 3 forwards over 30 are Richards and two throwaways (Moore and Pyatt). We have a host of young talent much better than what we saw 2005-2009. I'm not defending Sather completely and wouldn't object to bringing a new person in at all, for the record, but I think it's fair to separate 2005-2009 from 2010-2013.
*Signing Richards and trading for Clowe were bad but nowhere near Redden-level. Deals like these don't cripple a franchise.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
Fire Sather round II?
Seriously though, the team has some good, young players moving forward. Now would be the perfect time for a new GM, before Hank gets any older.
But no.
smoneil
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He's a left hand shot, but pretty much grew up playing the right side. He's got a big shot as well. I'd love to see him here, but he's not worth MDZ in a trade (even before he was vocally on the outs with the Caps).
Not sure what the asking price would be.
StepansLabyrinth
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I consider our needs to be a RHD (obviously) and a C. Putting Richards on the wing, where he played way better earlier this season, would help but open a hole. Trading for a center fills it.
While there are plenty of deals that you could make for players in the middle of contacts, I was more curious to see what kind of rentals would be available. I looked for guys in the last year of their deals on teams that look like they might not make the playoffs. No teams in our division. What I came away with was:
RHD Rentals:
Joe Corvo (OTT), Mike Weaver (FLA), Matt Gilroy (FLA), Tom Gilbert (FLA), Stephane Robidas (DAL), Corey Potter (EDM)
Center Rentals:
Matt Stajan (CAL), Mike Santorelli (VAN), Olli Jokinen (WPG), David Legwand (NSH), Vernon Fiddler (DAL), Scott Gomez (FLA), Steve Ott (BUF)
I know there's a lot of garbage there but, if all else fails, we can probably acquire one of Legwand/Stajan/Jokinen and one of Robidas/Corvo/Gilbert for nearly nothing. For example, picking up Legwand and Robidas would make our roster look like this:
Richards-Legwand-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Zuke
Hagelin-Brassard-Callahan
Pouliot-Boyle-Dorsett
McDonagh-Robidas
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Girardi
While there are plenty of deals that you could make for players in the middle of contacts, I was more curious to see what kind of rentals would be available. I looked for guys in the last year of their deals on teams that look like they might not make the playoffs. No teams in our division. What I came away with was:
RHD Rentals:
Joe Corvo (OTT), Mike Weaver (FLA), Matt Gilroy (FLA), Tom Gilbert (FLA), Stephane Robidas (DAL), Corey Potter (EDM)
Center Rentals:
Matt Stajan (CAL), Mike Santorelli (VAN), Olli Jokinen (WPG), David Legwand (NSH), Vernon Fiddler (DAL), Scott Gomez (FLA), Steve Ott (BUF)
I know there's a lot of garbage there but, if all else fails, we can probably acquire one of Legwand/Stajan/Jokinen and one of Robidas/Corvo/Gilbert for nearly nothing. For example, picking up Legwand and Robidas would make our roster look like this:
Richards-Legwand-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Zuke
Hagelin-Brassard-Callahan
Pouliot-Boyle-Dorsett
McDonagh-Robidas
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Girardi
Bring Back Avery
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Here's a nice, far fetched one. How about Girardi, DZ, Boyle and several draft picks (including a first rounder) for Malkin? We really need someone young and who is a proven scorer.
Dreger's source seems to be pretty good.
Why is McIlrath being discussed? That suprises me alot. I am pretty sure that Slats aren't calling around offering him to teams. That leaves two options: 1. There are a few teams out there that really wants him. 2. There is a specific sitaution out there that warrants Slats to put McIlrath on the table.
With the mess in Florida, could Slats have set his sights on Erik Gudbranson? FLA would "never" move him, but if a young kid wants to destroy his career FLA is the place to be. One PO the last 13 years. Gudbranson should be rockin in the NHL and moving on with his career, instead he is aiming at some sort of minus record for a young player. He is minus 52 his last 127 games with 16 pts to show for it. He struggled late in his junior career, and has gone on to have 4 horrible first NHL seasons. He is definitely flying under the radar for a 3rd round pick, had he played in a big market people would really be scrutinizing his play up to date. The first couple of seasons were OK when there were no pressure, after that there has been zero progress.
My thinking is just this. I don't see Slats moving McIlrath unless something that is coming back really motivates it. Erik Gudbranson coming back would motivate it. From FLA point of view, Campbell and Jovo are becoming UFA's. After those two, Gudbranson and Kulikov are next in line. 1-2 punch. They've missed the PO's forever, destroyed every kid they pick up because a bad atmosphere in the locker-room and a looser team on the ice. Gudbranson got a really strong right handed shot. That's something we could use. Gudbranson got potential to become a horse on the right side, and I am fairly certain he would develop alot better on a good team as opposed to Florida.
Del Zotto and McIlrath for Gudbranson makes some sense for both sides.
Why is McIlrath being discussed? That suprises me alot. I am pretty sure that Slats aren't calling around offering him to teams. That leaves two options: 1. There are a few teams out there that really wants him. 2. There is a specific sitaution out there that warrants Slats to put McIlrath on the table.
With the mess in Florida, could Slats have set his sights on Erik Gudbranson? FLA would "never" move him, but if a young kid wants to destroy his career FLA is the place to be. One PO the last 13 years. Gudbranson should be rockin in the NHL and moving on with his career, instead he is aiming at some sort of minus record for a young player. He is minus 52 his last 127 games with 16 pts to show for it. He struggled late in his junior career, and has gone on to have 4 horrible first NHL seasons. He is definitely flying under the radar for a 3rd round pick, had he played in a big market people would really be scrutinizing his play up to date. The first couple of seasons were OK when there were no pressure, after that there has been zero progress.
My thinking is just this. I don't see Slats moving McIlrath unless something that is coming back really motivates it. Erik Gudbranson coming back would motivate it. From FLA point of view, Campbell and Jovo are becoming UFA's. After those two, Gudbranson and Kulikov are next in line. 1-2 punch. They've missed the PO's forever, destroyed every kid they pick up because a bad atmosphere in the locker-room and a looser team on the ice. Gudbranson got a really strong right handed shot. That's something we could use. Gudbranson got potential to become a horse on the right side, and I am fairly certain he would develop alot better on a good team as opposed to Florida.
Del Zotto and McIlrath for Gudbranson makes some sense for both sides.
I Eat Crow
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I don't know Ola, sending Del Zotto and McIlrath for an underperforming reclamation project is overpayment in my book. If they sent Bjugstad the other way in addition to Gudbranson, maybe we'd have something.
McIlrath is being discussed for the Rangers to call him up and play him here. Gordie Clark said the Rangers would reevaluate McIlrath at Christmas. That's less than one month away. The Rangers don't need a player like McIlrath? They can't use his size and strength on D?
The Rangers need his ELC contract on their team. He is a right-handed shot.
The Mark Stone stuff came from an Ottawa blogger
http://senschirp.ca/news/senators-desperately-need-spark/
The Rangers need his ELC contract on their team. He is a right-handed shot.
The Mark Stone stuff came from an Ottawa blogger
http://senschirp.ca/news/senators-desperately-need-spark/
Agree for sure, but McI has been mentioned before in rumors and Dreger wrote:
"NYR rumored in deals on daily basis. Defenceman Dylan McIlrath has earned a chance given his play in AHL. Perhaps, a trade isn’t necessary?â€
Ie, the report was hardly that McI has been offered around.
If you get Gudbranson for McIlrath, you egt some of that size and strength back.
That is the million dollar question. How good is Gudbranson really? Would FLA be selling at the right time as with Luke Schenn or do you get a player that is for real but just needs more support. Gudbranson definitely got more potential to become a top pairing of top 4 D than McI. He we risk loosing our top 2 RDs this season, Gudbranson would make more sense.
IE, I don't worry about giving up MDZ and McI in the same deal, as much as I would worry about Gudbranson being the real deal.
Rangers ftw
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