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BrooklynRangersFan said:
It was a particularly bad one too, both in terms of game situation AND because Brassard - who was in front of DZ and should have been visible to him - was cutting in to make the play anyway.
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Yep. Was a poor shift altogether he'd lost a battle on the boards behind Hank and Dallas got a decent shot out of it about 30 seconds earlier.
 
You think Del Zotto is inconsistent, but some of you want Cowen?

He's a worse version of Luke Schenn. He's still young but absolutely not the player NYR need.

No way.
 
Kwayry said:
Just watched the replay to confirm, Brass was behind him.
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Might wanna watch it again...

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Kwayry said:
Do you have a yt? The highlights from NHL start the play with Brass behind him, it may have missed the shot you have.
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Well that's as the puck is coming around the boards and probably a second after MDZ decided to vacate the point, Brass came from the neutral zone or at least the blue line I want watching him so much as MDZ so at one point he was behind MDZ.

I have hockeystreams so I just replayed the stream.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Well that's as the puck is coming around the boards and probably a second after MDZ decided to vacate the point, Brass came from the neutral zone so at one point he was behind MDZ.

I have hockeystreams so I just replayed the stream.
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Ok fair enough. I was not questioning whether it was a bad pinch, I just didn't recall Brass was in front of him, and the highlight confirmed that.
I will take your word for it.
 
You know how you respond to being scratched? Ask Zucc. For the people who accuse others of 'hating' and picking out his mistakes, blaming him unnecessarily, etc., it's a two way street.
 
The question is why is DZ a story on a night the team won, Kreider/Nash scored and Hank played a phenomenal game?
 
Kwayry said:
The question is why is DZ a story on a night the team won, Kreider/Nash scored and Hank played a phenomenal game?
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He's been surrounded with trade rumours and he was a scratch for three straight games, and this is a guy whose name was already being tossed around in trade discussions. What did you expect?
 
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BrianBoyle said:
He's been surrounded with trade rumours and he was a scratch for three straight games, and this is a guy who's name was already being tossed around in trade discussions. What did you expect?
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I expected people to focus on the success stories not spend so much effort on one play. But I shouldn't be surprised.
Edit: And the bar is set so high that it's impossible for him to meet it. It is what it is.
 
Someone on the general trade board proposed:

Spezza + Cowen + Greening for Del Zotto + Hagelin + Brassard

Spezza>>>>>>>Brassard
Cowen>Del Zotto?
Greening<<<<<Hagelin

I think I'd still do it because Spezza is a legit 1C. Cowen for DZ is one LHD for another so maybe another trade would have to occur.=
 
Callahan Auto said:
Someone on the general trade board proposed:

Spezza + Cowen + Greening for Del Zotto + Hagelin + Brassard

Spezza>>>>>>>Brassard
Cowen>Del Zotto?
Greening<<<<<Hagelin

I think I'd still do it because Spezza is a legit 1C. Cowen for DZ is one LHD for another so maybe another trade would have to occur.=
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I have no interest in Ottawa's D's, aside of EK of course. Or their depth players.

Brass, MDZ and Hagelin is too much to give up for Spezza. That is IMO more than what we gave up for Nash.
 
I hope if we trade DZ it's not going to be some crapy return. I think he will be a solid top 4 defensement in the different team for years to come.
 
smoneil said:
I didn't see that shot, but I did see the one of Del Zotto right after--kid looked like he was just informed he got the death penalty. I honestly don't get it. The 3-game benching came on the heels of some of MDZ's best hockey of the season. Yet AV insists on A- Playing him on his off side, and B- making him feel like the slightest mistake will put him off the ice for another multi-game stretch.

Del Zotto pressed to try and create offense. That's what everyone said they wanted out of him. They said they didn't want him playing it safe, because the team already had 4 stay at home, defense first guys. When a player tries to create offense, things like that miscue will happen, especially on the wrong side of the ice (did anyone else notice that Del Zotto's best plays tonight, on both sides of the puck, came from the left?). I've done plenty of coaching, and I can tell you that you never want one of your players to have the look on his face that Del Zotto had after the error. Playing with fear just leads to more errors. This is a kid who needs to be supported and picked up (and if you watched the very end of the game, you saw Zucc and Henrik doing just that).

Bottom line is that if AV won't put the player in a position to succeed and then roasts that player for one mistake in an otherwise good game, then they should move him, because that's just not fair to the team or the player. Even if AV doesn't want the player, however, that doesn't change the fact that he has a LOT more value around the league than a lot of Ranger fans seem to recognize. You don't move an asset if the return doesn't improve the team, and most of the proposals I've seen from other Rangers fans don't actually improve this team.
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Excellent post. I didn't see the look he had that you're describing, but if he's going to be so afraid to make a mistake, he's not going to be playing his game where he's most comfortable. He's just going to be playing to not mess up, to stay in the lineup. That's not going to help the team. He's going to be worrying about himself, and understandably so.

I feel bad for DZ at this point. I hope he gets traded just so he can start over for a new organization. It's obvious the kid has skill, and may just need a new coach and the appropriate minutes to take it to that level. Just too bad it looks like we'll never get that MDZ that I think he'll eventually be if traded.

Clowe Knows Best said:
And in 4 years he'll only be 27!:sarcasm:
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This is pretty silly to say. 23 is still incredibly young, playing against grown men. Yeah, I know young players have come in and made a splash right away, but you have to expect some bumps with these players. They're human, not machines. I'm pretty confident by the time MDZ is 27 he'll be a hell of a hockey player in the NHL.
 
Raspewtin said:
You think Del Zotto is inconsistent, but some of you want Cowen?

He's a worse version of Luke Schenn. He's still young but absolutely not the player NYR need.

No way.
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I would like Jared Cowen in our organization. At the expense of Del Zotto?--I don't know.

They are two different kinds of d-men. Cowen would add a physicality to the back line somewhat equal to Falk only he's a better player with pretty decent upside to get even better. It would still leave us lacking a d-man who can qb a pwp. OTOH Del Zotto has been doing a piss poor job of that pretty much since his rookie season and McDonagh (who never ever really got much pwp time in previous years) has pushed him out of that.

I would like a little more than Cowen for DZ--but actually my preference in the first place would be for a forward. To be honest I think you add to Del Zotto to get Zibanejad. OTOH Lazar is an interesting player--but Ottawa adds to him because Lazer does nothing for us now. That's if we're doing something with those guys.
 
For me the issue with Del Zotto has always been his bonehead plays not his horrible pinches. I get it Del Zotto has an offensive minded attitude (something Ranger fans want and the coaching staff wants out of him). That doesn't change the fact the kid hasn't progressed and is still making bonehead plays like trying to dangle someone when he's the last player to the goalie, making horrendous cross ice passes that often get intercepted, and leaving his guy open in front of the net. Michael Del Zotto has had all 3 happen this season and he makes the most mistakes on the blue line. His hockey IQ that was raved about when he came up has regressed instead of progressed. With Connor Allen and Dylan McIlrath getting ready to become NHL caliber and Del Zotto becoming a RFA this season, I think the Rangers need to move him now.

For people talking about a blockbuster package trade, that'll change the whole team, why? I'd much rather do a straight up for straight up trade like:

Chris Neil and a pick for Del Zotto OR
Wayne Simmonds for Del Zotto and a pick OR
Del Zotto and a pick for Yakupov.

Anything like this is more ideal for the Rangers.
 
The difference between MDZ and Moore is that while Moore makes mistakes, he is also showing glimpses of becoming a good puck mover and puck carrier. He has his rough spots but he has shown more than MDZ.

I am still in favor of moving him and I think he will do well at his next stop. Just needs a new start somewhere and he will thrive. Hope the Rangers get someone back for him worthwhile though.
 
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