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Havlat makes Gaborik look like Doug Jarvis. I don't buy that nonsense. That's a guy who can and will get injured and any given time.

If it's even being discussed which I doubt, Nieto better be coming back the other way but the Sharks aren't going to do that.

They were almost the 98-04 Rangers but they kept their big prospects. If the Rangers of that era kept Knuble, Savard, signed Zidlicky, etc
 
Doug Wilson not ready to give up on Havlat? I think that right there tells you all you need to know.
 
Important to note is that I don't think in the thousands of trade proposals posted on this site I have ever seen one that ended up being exactly correct to a move that actually went down.

I don't know about exactly, but there was a proposal on the main boards pretty close to the actual deal, if not exact. Pretty awesome actaully.
 
I know I have said a few times how this team needs to get bigger and that this next thought flies in the face of that, but we need a top 6 forward that thinks shoot first.

While I would love for that player to be 6'2" and 215 lbs, the odds of THAT guy being available are pretty slim.

I'm thinking that Mike Cammalleri could be a good fit.

He's a solid goal scorer that is not afraid to shoot the puck, he's got proven top 6 talent. Plays the LW naturally though he can play C and RW as well.

Offer of Pouliot and Fast and a 3rd (not really looking to move 1st or 2nd rounders for rentals)

Calgary retains 40% of Cammy's salary

To NYR Cammalleri at 3.6 million

To Calgary - Pouliot, Fast and NYR 3rd in 2014

When healthy:

Cammy - Richards - Nash
Kreider - Stepan - Zuccs
Hagelin - Brassard - Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett
Xtra fwrd - Miller

Thoughts?
 
That Havlat rumor may or may not be true, but it sure sounds like typical Sather. "Martin Havlat? Yea, I've heard of that guy, lets see if hes really available!"

Far too often with Sather (and this board in general) the acquisition of players is done ass-backwards. Good GM's first target the type of player they want to fill a specific need - Glen Sather shoots first and asks questions later.
 
Yeah, I think the Havlat stuff is BS. Garrioch likes to mash rumors together to create his own "insider info" and it's never legit. He said over the summer that the Rangers weren't happy with Miller's development and were trying to trade him. Same with Kreider. Not much more reliable than Eklund.
 
Yeah, I think the Havlat stuff is BS. Garrioch likes to mash rumors together to create his own "insider info" and it's never legit. He said over the summer that the Rangers weren't happy with Miller's development and were trying to trade him. Same with Kreider. Not much more reliable than Eklund.

Garrioche dreams of being as accurate as Eklund. If he says it its pretty much guaranteed not to happen.
 
Don Brennan wrote the stuff about Havlat. That guy is a moron. He made an ass of himself when the Rangers played Ottawa in the playoffs.
 
Hemsky? Havlat? Sounds like something Sather would do. :facepalm:

In what way does Havlat fit Sather's MO? When was the last time the Rangers traded for a 30+ year old player that wasn't on an expiring contract? Jagr?

Hemsky maybe, but that's still a stretch.
 
I really don't think the Rangers need to make a deal right now. If they can get a 1 for 1 for MDZ where they get a nice, young forward with top 6 potential then I say sure go for it...but a huge shakeup is far from necessary at this point.




And Havlat makes zero sense if you have half of a brain.
 
I know I have said a few times how this team needs to get bigger and that this next thought flies in the face of that, but we need a top 6 forward that thinks shoot first.

While I would love for that player to be 6'2" and 215 lbs, the odds of THAT guy being available are pretty slim.

I'm thinking that Mike Cammalleri could be a good fit.

He's a solid goal scorer that is not afraid to shoot the puck, he's got proven top 6 talent. Plays the LW naturally though he can play C and RW as well.

Offer of Pouliot and Fast and a 3rd (not really looking to move 1st or 2nd rounders for rentals)

Calgary retains 40% of Cammy's salary

To NYR Cammalleri at 3.6 million

To Calgary - Pouliot, Fast and NYR 3rd in 2014

When healthy:

Cammy - Richards - Nash
Kreider - Stepan - Zuccs
Hagelin - Brassard - Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett
Xtra fwrd - Miller

Thoughts?

I understand your reasoning, but Cammalleri isn't the kind of guy we should be targeting. Not because he's a bad player, but because he's a rental. The constant shuffle of players in and out of this organization has been it's achilles heel. They need to add to the core going forward, not insert a guy who is going to be halfway out the door before he really finds his game and establishes a bond with the team.
 
Can always count on the ottowa sun for a good laugh, with the **** these guys spew into the media world I'm surprised they still have jobs or at the very least any kind of credibility with anyone
 
Thank you for a constructive post, even if it had criticism.

It's like the old marx brothers joke, to paraphrase, we already established what kind of lady you are, we just have to set the price!:laugh::laugh:

There is a logical point to all this.

You are right, there is a number that is too much for Rangers to pay for, say, Jones.

I am right, there is a number that is too much for Preds not to give up Jones for that much overpay return.

The question I'm asking is, is there a middle ground where these intersect?

If so, we should seriously consider doing it, since as you agree, 'certain'
"young cap friendly assets are so useful".

The question is at what cost.

You prefer to keep Stepan, fine. If the target is EKane, arguably, Staal + MDZ + small + would do it. Point being including Stepan not necessary THERE.

But if you want Risto or Jones, Buf/Nashv. will require Stepan.
And I'm saying while we wouldn't want to give Stepan to the Martians for nothing if he were kidnapped.... :laugh: {that's literary license, I did not mean it literally}

IF there was an awesome enough return, we should consider giving up Stepan. And others as well. Preferably from the group who is getting raises and not our very youngest core.

As to


they obviously would not do so willingly.
But if you made them an offer they couldn't refuse, you might get somewhere.


Trade MDZ + Girardi for multiple firsts +.
Stepan + the firsts.
There is a point at which the rival GM says my farm system cupboard is bare, so this is a better move than holding on to a franchise calibre guy for 4 years or so, and maybe he moves on; what would I get then? What is the upside to wait?

But you have to make a real ballsy move.

If someone wants to suggest something that's less overpayment that still get's the job done, I'm all ears.

Look how those overpayments have worked out for teams who have made them. Lindros any one?

Any time a team makes a stupid overpayment for a player it is usually crippling enough to where it mitigates that players impact.

Teams who will pay multiple firsts for MDZ and Girardi will most likely not be teams in top-5 or top-10 draft positions. Therefore you are restocking the farm with talent that is less likely to even come close to MDZ or Girardi or any time of high end talent.

I don't completely disagree with you on everything. Trading Stepan for Jones or Risto would be flat out devastating though.
 
Yeah, I think the Havlat stuff is BS. Garrioch likes to mash rumors together to create his own "insider info" and it's never legit. He said over the summer that the Rangers weren't happy with Miller's development and were trying to trade him. Same with Kreider. Not much more reliable than Eklund.
Agreed. Even if SJS retained 40% of his salary it would still be tough for us cap wise.
 
LOL no on Havlat. I can't usually say this but I don't think Slats is that stupid.
 
LOL no on Havlat. I can't usually say this but I don't think Slats is that stupid.

if the deal was Boyle and 2 of Pyatt Powe Pouliot for Havlat, id do that but nothing more.. Sather isnt that dumb to trade a 1st round pick for Havlat although he has done some stupid things in the past and he is 70 years old :help:
 
if the deal was Boyle and 2 of Pyatt Powe Pouliot for Havlat, id do that but nothing more.. Sather isnt that dumb to trade a 1st round pick for Havlat although he has done some stupid things in the past and he is 70 years old :help:

I wouldn't even do that. Havlat is cooked, and Boyle is at least a serviceable player in a 4th line role. We also get hammered cap-wise.
 
Considering how badly the Rangers performed against the Kings in the dot, one of the last players I'd like to trade is Boyle.
 
Considering how badly the Rangers performed against the Kings in the dot, one of the last players I'd like to trade is Boyle.

so you rather risk losing him for nothing as he will be 1st time as an UFA... lets not make the same mistake as Prust.. get something for these UFA to be if they are not in the future plans as Rangers..
 
if the deal was Boyle and 2 of Pyatt Powe Pouliot for Havlat, id do that but nothing more.. Sather isnt that dumb to trade a 1st round pick for Havlat although he has done some stupid things in the past and he is 70 years old :help:

Havlat has another year on his contract @ a 5 mil cap hit. At this point in his career, he adds nothing. Always hurt. Boyle is our best faceoff man. Pyatt, Powe and Pouliot are all UFAs at year's end. There is absolutely no reason to trade for Havlat, no matter what we are sending the other way.
 
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