Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part III - 11/11 Yakupov willing to be moved

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Why?

Can small market teams afford to trade good, cheap, young assets for a player with such a high associated risk?

If a team doesn't have a lot of financial flexibility to go out and sign the best free agents that only leaves them one real road to success - building through the farm.

Acquiring Yak would mean parting with part of the farm or future. That can make or break a small market team.

Also, the added aspect of Yak deciding where he wants to go. I'm sure he'll make it clear that he wants no part of going to another rebuilding organization or one in the middle of no where with terrible traveling arrangements or fan bases. And yes he'll have that much influence. It's unfair but that's just how this league works. Radulov tried to force the hand of Nashville, they thought he was bluffing, then he left. He came back, created more of a headache than before - they missed out on his peak return package because he threatened to leave and limited where he could go.

 

[Kwayry]

Why are we counting out small market teams? He's on a ELC.



It's fairly obvious given 29 teams available to make offers for a guy who was the first overall pick last year scoring 17 goals in 48 games and these offers are all revolving around a 2nd pairing defenseman who many people want to get rid of and a solid prospect. If they don't get better offers they can just not trade him. He's affordable and had a good year their already. Should we have traded Kreider for nothing after he had a poor "second" year in the NHL (and at an older age?). There's also no evidence he is interested in going back to Russia and picking a few guys who did and neglecting the ones who didn't isn't really a good reason to say he will be.

Well I agree, but you can't say that for all 29 other teams. He is a flight risk, who would invest trade assets for a flight risk?
He is reported to be uncoachable, how many coaches would like to have him on their team to ruin their career?
There are some that will take the chance based on his potential, I just don't think that all the teams will be hell bent on getting him.

If Hall was on the market on the other hand ...

 

[Mikos87]

Trade Proposal: Rangers and Oilers






To Rangers: Jason Labarbera
To Oilers: Arron Asham

Oilers have 3 goalies on one-way contracts. They have Richard Bachman and two other goalies in the minors already.

They have the same $1,000,000 cap hit expiring this summer. Labarbera would carry the same $75,000 cap hit as Asham in the minors. Oilers need MOAR toughness.

Hey I like this deal! Give the kids down in Hartford a winning environment by having a goalie that can dominate out there in the AHL. Seriously Labarbera's AHL game is superlative.

 

[NewLife]

Okay I think given all of the factors surrounding Yakupov; flight risk to KHL, commitment to defense, mouthing off in the media, and all the hub bub surrounding this are real real red flags. Kovalchuk, another 1st overall Russian just bolted with 70+M on his deal.

Filatov

Zherdev

Chistov

Svitov

Burmistrov

All of these guys were top ten picks these certain coincidences around them that lead to their fate.

He will make millions more in Russia in just one year. Millions. He already bolted for the KHL once during the lockout. Every junior age player out of the CHL goes back to juniors if they can't make the NHL team, but Yak went after the dollars in the KHL. He has a taste of what that is already.

I believe with the exception of Jenson from Vancouver, no European born player trained and drafted through the CHL ever went back to Europe when not being able to play for their NHL team during their junior age seasons. Yak did.

I will gladly make an NHL trade for Yakupov, giving EDM what it needs, if the Rangers needs are met, but there is no way in hell would I trade guys that play valuable minutes on a flight risk.

Brassard, Pouliot, Hrivik, Skjei

Yak, Jones.

More than fair.

Don't forget Radulov who also played junior hockey in Canada.

Just saw that he was picked as #15 but still.

 

[Thirty One]

Hey I like this deal! Give the kids down in Hartford a winning environment by having a goalie that can dominate out there in the AHL. Seriously Labarbera's AHL game is superlative.

And if there's an injury to Lundqvist or Talbot, I don't want to have to give Missiaen a moment of NHL ice time.

 

[Mikos87]

The Oilers just traded the only competent shutdown defenseman on their roster to sign Ilya Bryzgalov. Smid is a solid number 5-6 on a winning team and a stretch 4 at best.

They need an influx of NHL bodies.

I'd do Brassard+Pouliot+Hrivik+Skjei for the following:

Trade two enigmas for 1. Cap hits will offset. EDM needs centers. They've been icing Marc Arcobello and Will or Keith Acton, the coach's son forget whose who.

Hrivik and Skjei allows Edmonton to swallow trading the 1st over all pick.

They get an entire NHL line that can provide offense in Pouliot-Brassard-Hrivik. They get that this season. And they get upside in a former 1st round pick that's a defense man.

The Rangers lose a playmaking center that doesn't win draws, and needs favorable zone starts. One that doesn't produce with said zone starts, and needs to play with skill players to elevate his game, and not the other way around.

Poo... well there won't be any missing him.

What hurts is losing a center, but for one that can't check or win draws, nor score consistently without high skill players, well I don't think he will be missed if aspects of his game is replaced.

 

[SA16]

I think you are more realistically looking at MDZ+Miller+1st+lesser prospect

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

The Oilers just traded the only competent shutdown defenseman on their roster to sign Ilya Bryzgalov. Smid is a solid number 5-6 on a winning team and a stretch 4 at best.

They need an influx of NHL bodies.

I'd do Brassard+Pouliot+Hrivik+Skjei for the following:

Trade two enigmas for 1. Cap hits will offset. EDM needs centers. They've been icing Marc Arcobello and Will or Keith Acton, the coach's son forget whose who.

Hrivik and Skjei allows Edmonton to swallow trading the 1st over all pick.

They get an entire NHL line that can provide offense in Pouliot-Brassard-Hrivik. They get that this season. And they get upside in a former 1st round pick that's a defense man.

The Rangers lose a playmaking center that doesn't win draws, and needs favorable zone starts. One that doesn't produce with said zone starts, and needs to play with skill players to elevate his game, and not the other way around.

Poo... well there won't be any missing him.

What hurts is losing a center, but for one that can't check or win draws, nor score consistently without high skill players, well I don't think he will be missed if aspects of his game is replaced.

Why would the Rangers do this? Why would Edmonton do this? Rangers have depth in LHD. Edmonton needs D. The trade will be centered around D.

The most I can see is us trading MDZ + Brassard but in that event I see us getting more in return - Schultz?

 

[Thirty One]

Poo... well there won't be any missing him.

I would miss him.

 

[Kwayry]

Any trade for Yak would need to include MSC, they are high on ex oil Kings. He would be replacing Zuke on the line up, so might as well include him too.

 

[Thirty One]

Any trade for Yak would need to include MSC, they are high on ex oil Kings.

That's a deal breaker for me.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Any trade for Yak would need to include MSC, they are high on ex oil Kings. He would be replacing Zuke on the line up, so might as well include him too.

i can see something along the lines of

Del Zotto, St.Croix, Boyle 2ed 2014, 2ed 2015

for Yakupov, Klefbom, 3rd and 5th?

 

[Thirty One]

I mean the Oilers didn't think enough of St. Croix to use one of their first six picks in 2011, but I'm sure they'll demand him for Yakupov.

 

[RGY]

Yakupov is too much of a risk imo. He hasn't impressed me at all, and for the reasons many have already mentioned. He is a defensive liability, not producing offensively, and he is now the center of attention in the media in EDM. That is absolutely a no-go for a 20 year old hockey player. At least when Kreider struggled he wasn't a distraction for the team. I just don't like the feel of this. I wouldn't even give up DZ at this point, let alone DZ +++. MDZ has a lot to offer to this team. His game has been coming together the last few games. If we are going to consider trading him, it has to be the right deal.

 

[broadwayblue]

I think you are more realistically looking at MDZ+Miller+1st+lesser prospect

What? 3 First rounders + for an uncoachable malcontent who could pack up and head to the KHL? What has he done at the NHL level to fetch that kind of return?

 

[Kwayry]

I mean the Oilers didn't think enough of St. Croix to use one of their first six picks in 2011, but I'm sure they'll demand him for Yakupov.

They gave up Smid for Brossoit ...

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Any trade for Yak would need to include MSC, they are high on ex oil Kings. He would be replacing Zuke on the line up, so might as well include him too.

If they're trading MDZ, I doubt one of the top 8 forwards (or Miller) is in the deal. One of Zuke, Yak or even Nash could switch sides. All three have done it in the past.

I can definitely see MSC in the package though. (As I've been saying all along - MDZ, Kristo and MSC.)

 

[doncherrysgrill]

Guy picks literally the one team with 14 goalies to deal hank to

Smh lol

If you're talking to me I already explained why this is makes sense for Anaheim. Hiller will leave as a UFA after this year, Fasth is best suited as an AHL starter, and Andersen is a backup right now with #1 POTENTIAL but not quite there yet. Would you rather have potential or an ELITE goalie at the top of his game? They have goaltending to deal, and Hank is an upgrade over anybody there.

 

[darko]

I think you are more realistically looking at MDZ+Miller+1st+lesser prospect

I'd be pissed if we gave up that much for Yakupov.

 

[broadwayblue]

I'd be pissed if we gave up that much for Yakupov.

Not happening.

 

[broadwayblue]

If you're talking to me I already explained why this is makes sense for Anaheim. Hiller will leave as a UFA after this year, Fasth is best suited as an AHL starter, and Andersen is a backup right now with #1 POTENTIAL but not quite there yet. Would you rather have potential or an ELITE goalie at the top of his game? They have goaltending to deal, and Hank is an upgrade over anybody there.

We're not trading Hank.

 

[RGY]

If you're talking to me I already explained why this is makes sense for Anaheim. Hiller will leave as a UFA after this year, Fasth is best suited as an AHL starter, and Andersen is a backup right now with #1 POTENTIAL but not quite there yet. Would you rather have potential or an ELITE goalie at the top of his game? They have goaltending to deal, and Hank is an upgrade over anybody there.

Henrik is an upgrade over a majority of the goalies in the league so that point is irrelevant.

How often have you seen Anaheim play? Fasth is a pretty good goalie. They need to invest development and money into their defense more than anything else. They need shut down defensemen.



And regardless, the rangers are not trading their franchise goalie. Goalies like Henrik do not come around all too often, and if you are lucky enough to get one, you keep him. He is not the player you try to get maximum value for by trading him BEFORE YOU THINK his play will dip.

 

[nyrpassion]

i can see something along the lines of

Del Zotto, St.Croix, Boyle 2ed 2014, 2ed 2015

for Yakupov, Klefbom, 3rd and 5th?

Too many random pieces, like the EDM 3rd and 5th. How do you determine pick value haha.

Directly to your proposal, I think EDM would not do this. Too little return, although I might be overvaluing Yakupov, I don't know anymore haha.
I think that any deal would center around MDZ for Yakupov, it's just a matter of the Rangers adding more pieces, and by that I mean NHL bodies. So structuring a deal from your proposal, I'd say scratch the random EDM picks and go with:
MDZ + MSC + Boyle + (2nd/D prospect) for Yak + (Klefbom) I dunno how high the EDM brass is on him, but I'm leaning more towards it would take more pieces to add him into the mix.

edit: i just reread my post, i think it's super confusing then again, i've been writing a paper for the past hours.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Remember when everyone thought we'd get Nash for, like, a second round pick and pocket lint? Because we "had them on the ropes" or something? And then we gave them a good package in return because, who knew, premium talent has value?

We don't even "have Edmonton on the ropes" using that definition because he'll go to 95% of teams in the league with a goofy smile on his face. Nail Yakupov probably leaves EDM this season, but unless there's ridiculous Russia drama and/or he acts in a way that's completely toxic, he leaves for premium talent - closer to McDonagh than Girardi, and certainly not Del Zotto.

 

[ecemleafs]

Remember when everyone thought we'd get Nash for, like, a second round pick and pocket lint? Because we "had them on the ropes" or something? And then we gave them a good package in return because, who knew, premium talent has value?

We don't even "have Edmonton on the ropes" using that definition because he'll go to 95% of teams in the league with a goofy smile on his face. Nail Yakupov probably leaves EDM this season, but unless there's ridiculous Russia drama and/or he acts in a way that's completely toxic, he leaves for premium talent - closer to McDonagh than Girardi, and certainly not Del Zotto.

there is absolutely no chance that yakupov is dealt for a mcdonagh caliber player.