Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part III - 11/11 Yakupov willing to be moved

[BroadwayBlues]

If they're trading MDZ, I doubt one of the top 8 forwards (or Miller) is in the deal. One of Zuke, Yak or even Nash could switch sides. All three have done it in the past.

I can definitely see MSC in the package though. (As I've been saying all along - MDZ, Kristo and MSC.)

I can see this.

 

[RangerBoy]

You definitely have a point.

But somewhere along the line you gotta ask yourself who the normal agent to a NHL player is loyal too, himself through keeping a good contact with GMs around the league or his players.

I mean, EDM could be up to something interesting for sure. But its moving along darn slowly. And will Yaks always have to take a back seat to a bunch of other spoiled kids infront of him who are just as suspect as he is and needs just as much tuturing?.. They have gone through, like what, 157 coaches the last 3-4 years etc.

What do I know, but I do wonder sometimes why some kids who clearly are in a environment where they never will get a shot to accomplish anything, than to bring in a few dollars extra to an extremel cheap owner, just don't work harder to be moved. Its a sliding scale for sure, but lets say you came to the Islanders in the late 90's, do you want an agent that keeps his mouth shut or an agent that gets you the hell out of Dodge asap no matter how many feet the agent gotta step on? EDM still has not accomplished anything, and they got a GM who has a horrible track-record the last years and seem pretty darn clueless when it comes to managing his team.

Igor Larionov is the opposite of Carl Lindros. I wouldn't be that worried to have a player with him as an agent.

When I see a kid that is happy to play for a team that don't wanna compete, it sometimes tells me more when the kid is staying put than if he would raise a stink.

I love Kreider but if his agent Matt Keator went crying to Brooks about the Rangers misuse of his client,Keator would have been wrong too. Nobody said anything. The player kept his mouth shut. So did the agent. The Russian guys have the KHL option. When things don't go their way. Back to the KHL. The other players don't have that option. Even when they play in the CHL. Back to the KHL. They aren't willing to tough it out. Igor said the KHL wasn't an option at the moment a few weeks ago. When does it become an option. Filatov went back to Russia during a season in Columbus. That's the last thing the Rangers need.

 

[Trxjw]

If they're trading MDZ, I doubt one of the top 8 forwards (or Miller) is in the deal. One of Zuke, Yak or even Nash could switch sides. All three have done it in the past.

I can definitely see MSC in the package though. (As I've been saying all along - MDZ, Kristo and MSC.)

None of them have switched with much success though. Nash's preference for the right-side drove Gaborik down the lineup and out of town. Yakupov has been playing LW quite a bit this season and hasn't produced. Zucc prefers the right side as well.

I think they'd be interested in Miller or Lindberg well before Kristo or MSC. Skill players they have in spades, but Miller and Lindberg are the sort of players they lack. At least in terms of projections.

 

[Trxjw]

Don't insult other posters. Really not that hard, folks.

 

[Ola]

I love Kreider but if his agent Matt Keator went crying to Brooks about the Rangers misuse of his client,Keator would have been wrong too. Nobody said anything. The player kept his mouth shut. So did the agent. The Russian guys have the KHL option. When things don't go their way. Back to the KHL. The other players don't have that option. Even when they play in the CHL. Back to the KHL. They aren't willing to tough it out. Igor said the KHL wasn't an option at the moment a few weeks ago. When does it become an option. Filatov went back to Russia during a season in Columbus. That's the last thing the Rangers need.

Hey, -- I -- would too be pissed to if Kreider's agent tried to arrenge for Kreids to get out of NY. If I was a EDM fan, Id be pissed on Larinov too.

But just for example, if Kreider had been signed by a Wang owned team on the Islanders ten years ago, and didn't have an agent that tried to get him out of town -- to me -- that would be more negative than positive. You only live once and you play this game to win. Why should a kid be happy to play for a team thats not even remotely doing the right things? Its impossible for a kid to accomplish something in that situation.

Look, I definitely don't disagree with you on the KHL-option part and I definitely share your fear of it. Every post I make in this thread is about defending Yakubov. But thats because so many just post a bunch of BS about him. All of a sudden he is this monumental super diva mega pest who prefebly would be put into coma if he could because he is THE lasiest humanbeing ever alive etc etc etc.

This is the problem I see with Yaks:
1. He is not as good as you want a no 1 pick to be. He was picked first overall in a top 5 of (2) Murray, (3) Galchenyuk, (4) G Reinhard and (5) Reilly. Looking even at the top 6 this year, its not that easy to argue that a member of the top 5 in 2012 should bump a name in 2013... (while Galchenyuk of course is the top candidate)

I said this before Yaks was drafted. He never stood out as a typical no 1 pick.

OTOH, I think he will be good enough to put pts on the board in the NHL down the road. And that he especially will become a really good PP player.

2. Yaks is never a RFA. He always has the KHL as an option. He will only sign expensive contracts if he wants to stay in the NHL. If things become messy, he could leave you and you get nothing in return.

3. Its darn valuble for SLats to be able to force kids to take those bridge contracts. We save plenty of millions per year.

How does giving Yaks the big dollars in the summer of 15' affect Slats ability to do this down the road?

 

[Trxjw]

The whole circus in Edmonton is really fascinating. The way they branded the whole rebuild as if it was some sort of privilege to be a part of was genius, and the entire fan base ate it up like candy. I've never seen a group of fans so cocky about having a #1 pick and treating it like it was some sort of achievement. I can't lie. Watching them squirm through this **** show is incredibly entertaining.

Frankly, I'm usually one of the first people to pull the "flight risk" card, but I'm not so sure Yakupov is the problem in this situation. Is he a guarantee? No, of course not, and he certainly could head back to Russia, but I think there are bigger issues at play here. If you watch the team, they operate like a high-school clique. That organization anointed Hall, RNH, Schultz and Eberle (as well as Pajaarvi) as the saviors of this proud organization, and now the kids have the attitude of hall-of-famers without any of the accomplishments. Yakupov hasn't received the same treatment as those players. Eberle and Hall turn the puck over like mad, and they never see the bench. They're clueless in their own end and haven't been made an example. Same with Schultz. There's something else going on under the surface. Whether that's xenophobia, Yakupov acting as a malcontent, or something else entirely, is just too hard to say.

Now, that's not me advocating a trade for him, and I think the way Igor handled things was bush-league, but I do think the kid is facing an awful lot of scrutiny that I think has more to do with the general lack of success of the team than it does his own play. That team was expected to take a step forward this year, and they've done the exact opposite. To me, it looks like there's a bit of scapegoating going on in Edmonton.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Can small market teams afford to trade good, cheap, young assets for a player with such a high associated risk?

Can any team afford to do that?

If a team doesn't have a lot of financial flexibility to go out and sign the best free agents that only leaves them one real road to success - building through the farm.

Soome might say that's the only real road to success.

Acquiring Yak would mean parting with part of the farm or future. That can make or break a small market team.

You're contradicting yourself. You written many posts about how Yakupov won't cost a lot.

Also, the added aspect of Yak deciding where he wants to go. I'm sure he'll make it clear that he wants no part of going to another rebuilding organization or one in the middle of no where with terrible traveling arrangements or fan bases. And yes he'll have that much influence. It's unfair but that's just how this league works. Radulov tried to force the hand of Nashville, they thought he was bluffing, then he left. He came back, created more of a headache than before - they missed out on his peak return package because he threatened to leave and limited where he could go.

Yakupov doesn't have a NTC. He doesn't have a say where he goes.

 

[Ghost of jas]

None of them have switched with much success though. Nash's preference for the right-side drove Gaborik down the lineup and out of town. Yakupov has been playing LW quite a bit this season and hasn't produced. Zucc prefers the right side as well.

I think they'd be interested in Miller or Lindberg well before Kristo or MSC. Skill players they have in spades, but Miller and Lindberg are the sort of players they lack. At least in terms of projections.

I have no problem putting Lindberg in the deal. Miller, OTOH, not a chance.

 

[RangerBoy]

Hey, -- I -- would too be pissed to if Kreider's agent tried to arrenge for Kreids to get out of NY. If I was a EDM fan, Id be pissed on Larinov too.

But just for example, if Kreider had been signed by a Wang owned team on the Islanders ten years ago, and didn't have an agent that tried to get him out of town -- to me -- that would be more negative than positive. You only live once and you play this game to win. Why should a kid be happy to play for a team thats not even remotely doing the right things? Its impossible for a kid to accomplish something in that situation.

Look, I definitely don't disagree with you on the KHL-option part and I definitely share your fear of it. Every post I make in this thread is about defending Yakubov. But thats because so many just post a bunch of BS about him. All of a sudden he is this monumental super diva mega pest who prefebly would be put into coma if he could because he is THE lasiest humanbeing ever alive etc etc etc.

This is the problem I see with Yaks:
1. He is not as good as you want a no 1 pick to be. He was picked first overall in a top 5 of (2) Murray, (3) Galchenyuk, (4) G Reinhard and (5) Reilly. Looking even at the top 6 this year, its not that easy to argue that a member of the top 5 in 2012 should bump a name in 2013... (while Galchenyuk of course is the top candidate)

I said this before Yaks was drafted. He never stood out as a typical no 1 pick.

OTOH, I think he will be good enough to put pts on the board in the NHL down the road. And that he especially will become a really good PP player.

2. Yaks is never a RFA. He always has the KHL as an option. He will only sign expensive contracts if he wants to stay in the NHL. If things become messy, he could leave you and you get nothing in return.

3. Its darn valuble for SLats to be able to force kids to take those bridge contracts. We save plenty of millions per year.

How does giving Yaks the big dollars in the summer of 15' affect Slats ability to do this down the road?

You're assuming Yakupov will be worth big dollars in 2015. Sather likes the bridge contracts for even guys who have produced like Stepan. A middling year plus and Sather isn't giving Yakupov big bucks. He isn't giving him big bucks without arbitration.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I have no problem putting Lindberg in the deal. Miller, OTOH, not a chance.

That seems arbitrary. Neither one would be a deal breaker for me.

 

[Ail]

I have no problem putting Lindberg in the deal. Miller, OTOH, not a chance.

I don't like the idea of either. It's easier to say keep JT Miller because he has NHL experience but I'm not penciling him as the better player over a former SEL MVP in the long term just yet.

Very few of our notable prospects don't make me cringe right now when I think of them being included in a Yolkopov trade.

 

[Trxjw]

I have no problem putting Lindberg in the deal. Miller, OTOH, not a chance.

Honestly, I think I'd probably be alright with either one. I happen to like Lindberg more than Miller given that he's a center and I think Miller is better on the wing. However, if it came down to it, I'd probably cringe and look away while I hit the "accept" button. (Yes, I know there is no 'accept' button. It's just a prop in this case. )

I'd try my damndest to get another piece included on their end though.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I'd only deal Miller Lindberg in a deal for someone more established like Evander Kane or Patrick Sharp if he became available. No way I'd include them for Yakupov.

 

[Mikos87]

The whole circus in Edmonton is really fascinating. The way they branded the whole rebuild as if it was some sort of privilege to be a part of was genius, and the entire fan base ate it up like candy. I've never seen a group of fans so cocky about having a #1 pick and treating it like it was some sort of achievement. I can't lie. Watching them squirm through this **** show is incredibly entertaining.

Frankly, I'm usually one of the first people to pull the "flight risk" card, but I'm not so sure Yakupov is the problem in this situation. Is he a guarantee? No, of course not, and he certainly could head back to Russia, but I think there are bigger issues at play here. If you watch the team, they operate like a high-school clique. That organization anointed Hall, RNH, Schultz and Eberle (as well as Pajaarvi) as the saviors of this proud organization, and now the kids have the attitude of hall-of-famers without any of the accomplishments. Yakupov hasn't received the same treatment as those players. Eberle and Hall turn the puck over like mad, and they never see the bench. They're clueless in their own end and haven't been made an example. Same with Schultz. There's something else going on under the surface. Whether that's xenophobia, Yakupov acting as a malcontent, or something else entirely, is just too hard to say.

Now, that's not me advocating a trade for him, and I think the way Igor handled things was bush-league, but I do think the kid is facing an awful lot of scrutiny that I think has more to do with the general lack of success of the team than it does his own play. That team was expected to take a step forward this year, and they've done the exact opposite. To me, it looks like there's a bit of scapegoating going on in Edmonton.

Very astutely stated. It is absolutely a case of scapegoating. New snarky genius coach comes in and implements a swarm defense that is a easily one of the worst systems I've seen.

Teams just chip into open ice and let there guys skate in to chasms of ice. No gap control what so ever. No defending passing lanes, no rotations, poor to no back checking cause guys are too far up the ice.

In all seriousness some of the futurists on here are anointing superstar status for a kid that is having some issues up there in EDM.

They were a bad team that was at .500 for most of last year, and now have 4 wins in 19 games. 4 in 19.

Hockey is a man's game, and they have too many boys in important roles. Can't have a junior squad out there playing 40+ min a night up front.

The Rangers top two RHD are both UFAs. The Rangers trade a Dman, then they leave themselves vulnerable to dropping down the standings next year by default of not having any capable of defensemen past the 3 slot. Staal might go down south a year from now.

Some of these grandiose packages on offer are better reserved for players like Hall, E. Kane, MaxPac, Subban, basically guys simply too rare to be available ala the Rick Nash deal.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I don't like the idea of either. It's easier to say keep JT Miller because he has NHL experience but I'm not penciling him as the better player over a former SEL MVP in the long term just yet.

Very few of our notable prospects don't make me cringe right now when I think of them being included in a Yolkopov trade.

Pretty much. I'd prefer not move Miller, Lindberg, Kristo, or McIlrath but that doesn't leave much on the table and is likely just a case of me being attached to our prospects.

They do love Oil Kings up there so MSC for Yak!

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Pretty much. I'd prefer not move Miller, Lindberg, Kristo, or McIlrath but that doesn't leave much on the table and is likely just a case of me being attached to our prospects.

They do love Oil Kings up there so MSC for Yak!

id deal one of those 4 in a deal for a more established young player like Evander Kane, Jamie Benn, Matt Duchene type of young player. id do Del Zotto, St.Croix, Boyle for Yak and a dman maybe someone like Oscar Klefbom or Martin Marincin

 

[Killem Dafoe]

I don't think I'd be comfortable trading Kristo right now. We have other young players/prospects we can try to move before him.

 

[Thirty One]

id deal one of those 4 in a deal for a more established young player like Evander Kane, Jamie Benn, Matt Duchene type of young player. id do Del Zotto, St.Croix, Boyle for Yak and a dman maybe someone like Oscar Klefbom or Martin Marincin

If I'm an Edmonton fan, I can see myself salivating already.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

If I'm an Edmonton fan, I can see myself salivating already.

Not as much as a Jet, Star, or Av fan.

 

[RangerBoy]

Before the 2012 draft,Tambellini was not a sure bet to take Yakupov. I remember Columbus was 2nd that year and they had decided to pass on the player if he was there at #2 after Filatov and Zherdev. This player would have slid. McKenzie was on NHL Live before the draft discussing the players. He said there were issues regarding Yakupov. Scouts questioned how much he wanted to compete. He can't only care about scoring goals. Edmonton should taken Ryan Murray.

 

[Tawnos]

Before the 2012 draft,Tambellini was not a sure bet to take Yakupov. I remember Columbus was 2nd that year and they had decided to pass on the player if he was there at #2 after Filatov and Zherdev. This player would have slid. McKenzie was on NHL Live before the draft discussing the players. He said there were issues regarding Yakupov. Scouts questioned how much he wanted to compete. He can't only care about scoring goals. Edmonton should taken Ryan Murray.

Whether or not Yakupov had issues, Edmonton still should have taken Ryan Murray.

 

[Hire Sather]

Yeah, I don't understand why Yak's agent came out and said how hes willing to make a move.

Not exactly his choice, is it? Unless he wants to run back home to Russia, he has no say in anything when it comes to playing in the NHL

 

[CTRanger]

id deal one of those 4 in a deal for a more established young player like Evander Kane, Jamie Benn, Matt Duchene type of young player. id do Del Zotto, St.Croix, Boyle for Yak and a dman maybe someone like Oscar Klefbom or Martin Marincin

Players of that age and quality rarely get moved, and when/if they do they cost considerably more than what we paid for Nash.

Passing on Murray was ridiculous. They where/are starved for D and they took a small one dimensional clone of what they already had in spades.

 

[Thirty One]

Don't insult other posters. Really not that hard, folks.

Depends on the poster.

Really disappointed my Asham for Labarbera proposal didn't get more love. You all are worried about getting an impact scorer when the 3rd goalie situation needs to be addressed.

 

[Hire Sather]

I honestly forgot Asham was still with the organization.

I'm a big Labarbara fan now because I have him as a backup in a SIM LEAGUE I'm in and he has gone 62-9-4 in 4 seasons with my club.