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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part III - 11/11 Yakupov willing to be moved
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UlfNilsson
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All of this talk about including Boyle in a deal for Yakupov is ridiculous. The second the Rangers lose Boyle there will be a new thread harping about how the Rangers need a big 3rd/4th line center who can win faceoffs in the defensive zone, work the boards, play with an edge, backcheck well and chip in an odd goal here and there. People don't often realize what they have until it's gone. Be glad that the Rangers have Boyle. He is under-rated by the fans big time.
Additionally, including Kristo in a deal for Yakupov would likely be a mistake. Kristo is going to be a solid NHLer. Kid has the skills and desire, and is a really good fit for the Rangers.
MDZ straight up for Nail. Maybe throw in a later round pick. This kid is obviously super-high risk/reward. If he plays like a diva and refuses to backcheck the fans will eat him for dinner. And when the time for a classic Sather bridge deal comes along? There will be a bridge built between the US and Russia with Yak being the first person to cross it.
Additionally, including Kristo in a deal for Yakupov would likely be a mistake. Kristo is going to be a solid NHLer. Kid has the skills and desire, and is a really good fit for the Rangers.
MDZ straight up for Nail. Maybe throw in a later round pick. This kid is obviously super-high risk/reward. If he plays like a diva and refuses to backcheck the fans will eat him for dinner. And when the time for a classic Sather bridge deal comes along? There will be a bridge built between the US and Russia with Yak being the first person to cross it.
Yeah, or even more like fearing that he would demand big dollar despite not being worth it. I mean, had he scored 80 pts it wouldn't have been a problem to give him a short big dollar deal. But what if he scores 50 pts, the KHL offers 7m per after taxes, and Slats want to give him 2m per? That is possibly my biggest fear with Yaks.
Not that he is some kind of super mega diva who hates to compete. Because, and I've seen a fair amount of Yaks, I have no clue whatsoever what people are talking about when they are labelling him with those kind of statements.
By my book, Yaks is the player he is. That type of player is usually worth pretty much. He is not Stamkos II, then we would have to give up like McD, Stepan and a pick to get him. Due to Yaks shortcommings he might possibly be had cheaper, while I think a deal is really hard to make due to the market today.
I mean, if Minnesota decided to deal Mikael Granlund today, they would get a good deal for him. Granlund is coming into his own. 9 pts in last 10 games. 12 pts in 18 games. 22 y/o. When people are looking at Granlund, I think they are seing a kid who could be a PPG player for them at his absolute peak and run their PP. Avg around 60-70 pts per season when everything is said and done. Granlund could for sure become a Riberio type, and people would give up a decent deal to get that.
I see Yakubov as a player that has potential to become a better player than Granlund and Riberio. Whats discussed to give up to get Yakubov? MDZ+? Staal and a somewhat significant minus? Hey, MDZ is basically what we would have to give up to get a Granlund or young Riberio. Yaks don't have any issues in terms of willingness to defend or backcheck or hit compared to the names mentioned or compareable players. He doesn't stick out there.
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Half of the board will.
The other half will say that J.T. Miller is doing a great job in that role with a straight face, and I'll be all:
so Del Zotto cant get one of these types?? look at what James Neal went for. an overpaid overrrated offensive dman. at least Del Zotto has a good contract and is still only 23.
Labarbera for Asham is not a bad idea for CT though. They are taking a beating with Talbot in NY
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aside from the fact that he has played like garbage on alot of nights, Yakupov probably feels like he wasn't given the proper chance with the more talented guys on the team and has gotten frustrated.
I'm sure that exiting Edmonton was not even a thought until eh saw some of the names of teams that were rumored to have been involved IN those rumors and when his Coach and GM stepped in to say he wasn't available, he allowed his agent to come in and help the front officwe save face by "Nail would be open to a new address" comment.
I'm sure that this "ballet" is being choreographed by both parties.
Not in a conspiricy sort of way.
The Oilers probably feel they need to improve their defence and Yak not playing they way they want him to play to maintain his value forces them to say He's not going anywhere. Regardless of his current level of suckage, he's an Oiler for life.
Yak, knowing he's not part of the long term solution in Edmonton as he is continually played out of place for his talent level knows hsi time is short and leaks through his agent he would be open to a deal.
It allows the Oilers to sell it to the fan base that the "player" didn't want to be here and we got the best deal possible.
we have the illusion of the team NOT wanting to part with the player while NOT playing him in a position to succeed.
We have the illusion of the player "open" to the idea of a trade based on his position on the team and lack of a commitment from the team to the player to maximize his skill sets.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Do the Oilers REALLY want to move Yak? Absolutely not. They would prefer to have the defence resolved internally or via UFA route, but the reality of the Oilers is getting a UFA to commit to them long term is a tough task. Not impossible, but tough.
They are not trading RNH, Hall or Eberle. Gagne is not going to bring back the componants needed to improve drastically on D. Hemsky has MINIMAL value.
You want to improve your team, move the most risky and unknown asset you have.
Yakupov has the skill set coveted by every team out there. Teams will line up to give them for the most part, what they want.
I'd like to see the Rangers get him, but I do not see a deal centered around MDZ. For what the Oilers need, Moore is a better fit there.
Moore, Zuccarello, (MSC/Kristo/Fast/Lindberg) and a 1st for Yakupov is a realistic offer.
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They have the exact same contract so no cap effect for us, and Edmonton may even want Asham on their roster. Probably not, but it's possible.
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Well Eakins said Yak isn't going anywhere. He's struggling and Eakins isn't exactly giving him a lot of ice time to work through those struggles. the team is also not doing well. 2-7-1 in their last 10 games, Yak with only 2 goals, 1 assist -12 in that span. I know the Oilers are struggling (what's new, really?) but I think the rumors about them trading Eberle are even more ridiculous. I suppose they will be the center of a lot of crazy rumors this season.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/9964265/nail-yakupov-agent-open-trade-edmonton-oilers-unhappy
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/9964265/nail-yakupov-agent-open-trade-edmonton-oilers-unhappy
I think you more or less Nailed it!
We are not optimal fits to work something out with EDM.
John Moore is a good start though. After that, it would probably be better if Slats could find a third party to work out a deal with.
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1) Yes. Teams with a win now mentality. We've been in a win-now mentality for the last couple of years. Girardi may leave. Staal may leave. Richards will be bought out. This team may not be the strongest team we've had but that doesn't change the mentality. We are in win-now mode. Teams rebuilding or not one move away would take on a larger risk than teams (by trading for Yak) trying to add scoring for a playoff push.
Why do small market teams generally stay away from rentals if they're not close? Same concept.
2) I think it needs to be a mixture. Foundation needs to be set through the farm. After that you need to help the prospects that come up by signing the right veterans. The right veterans tend to be the higher priced ones, but not always. Point is you need to spend. Some teams can't.
3) It's not a contradiction, I just didn't explain that point very well. If 29 teams were to bid for Yakupov his cost would be significantly more. If the lower market teams began offering, they'd have more enticing packages. That would mean that they'd have to give up more as a result of competitive offers. Since he's considered a risk that should eliminate the small market teams thus making it cheaper for those who are actually willing to take on that risk. The point of him being low cost is that many teams will be scared off by the risk and will lower demand and package quality. If, for example, just 1 small market team decided to take the risk, the price will be around where it should be for the Rangers or Flyers. The only thing is, if the trade was a dud for that team, they'd feel it more. I'd assume for those types of teams that makes them trade averse to such high risks. His price, with all the relative risk and league demand should be relatively low. My point was to say that if small market teams weren't as scared off as many on here don't think they are (which may be true) his price would be a) higher in general and b) worth more to the smaller market team than a larger market team. Why is this? In the event of a mistake the smaller market team can't cover it up via free agency as adequately. Larger market team always has the opportunity to shell out money in the event of a dud.
4) Yakupov absolutely has some sort of say. Does he have the ability to hand pick 2 teams and say I will only play there... Not likely. The minute he opens his mouth to the media and begins talking about a potential return to the KHL if he's unhappy he gains a lot of leverage. That would scare off a lot of teams trying to trade for him. He's already beginning to voice displeasure with the organization. His agent is getting involved. It won't be long before he requests a trade and gives it a dual wielding sword by saying "trade or KHL". Again, that will wipe out any small market teams that will be frightened off by giving up prospects for him and having the same effect that Edmonton has... leaving larger market teams (better city to live in, likely better winning environment - can't get much worse than Edm) and thus Yak has had some sort of influence on not going to some bad team.
Sather is the biggest hardliner in the NHL when it comes to the 2nd contract. Slats isn't giving Yakupov a big 2nd contract. Any team holding Yakupov's rights will be competing with the KHL for his services. He will not have any arbitration rights. This guy isn't waiting around until late September to sign a contract with the Rangers holding all of the leverage. This isn't a Derek Stepan situation who only wants to play for the Rangers and his agents didn't try to solicit an offer sheet in the summer.
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you are 100% the only thing is he inst resigning with the oilers for another shot at missing the post season and flounder on lines he doesnt belong and being scratched. He would realistically be playing good minutes wiht the Rangers on a scoring line and with post season experience and a goalie who could get his name on the cup in front of MSG fans. Their is a little extra appeal to having a real shot at getting a cup and playing in front of msg crowads then just signing for money the KHL can offer. He also wont be getting kovalchuk offers from the KHL so i completely agree with your point. I just don't see it as being anything more then something to consider.
Side note trading Miller as someone suggest is a horrible idea. I don't see how a player with his age, upsdie and pay scale would be considered in a risky trade. Thats the kind of **** you regret forever. Yakupov for MDZ and maybe a low pick or an aged vet makes sense for both teams. MDZ is NHL ready but is suffering in his current surroundings. He has a lot to offer but currently isnt producing as expected or paid too. Yakupov is in a very similar boat but he just refuses to play the hockey being asked of him.
if yakupov has a 60+ point year in his contract year next season he will get a huge offer from teh KHL.
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Even if he has a subpar season he may get a better offer from KHL than he would from a NHL team.
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If he so badly wanted the money in KHL, why didn't he just stay there? The KHL threat is so exagerrated around here. How many top players has left for KHL?
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Igor can ***** and moan but
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/400365539744579584
MacTavish isn't trading him.
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/400365539744579584
MacTavish isn't trading him.
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