We'll have a top 10 pick this year. I wanna see them trade Girardi Callahan del zotto and get more picks & give us a higher pick. I want a top 5 pick and assets to be great in 3 years not still mediocre. I bet everyone buffalo will be a force in 4-5 years they stockpiled picks and prospects and these next 2 years they have their best draft years probably reinhart and maybe even mcdavid. They'll be real good really soon
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We'll have a top 10 pick this year. I wanna see them trade Girardi Callahan del zotto and get more picks & give us a higher pick. I want a top 5 pick and assets to be great in 3 years not still mediocre. I bet everyone buffalo will be a force in 4-5 years they stockpiled picks and prospects and these next 2 years they have their best draft years probably reinhart and maybe even mcdavid. They'll be real good really soon
What players are going to develope? I don't wanna see them trade kreider,miller,kristo,fast,lindberg and I'm not saying a trade is the main thing we need I'm saying we need to draft and sign a player like bobby Ryan since he's a free agent in 15. But if a player like Ryan surfaces in trade rumors you explore it just don't gut the team
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I would rather they just used the picks, but if the right player came along in a trade for some of those picks/prospects then sure why not. Mostly a real RHD who can man the power play and a true top line center, but they just don't come along often.
Go forward with the guys who can skate, Hagelin, Kreider, McD, J Moore along with the players who have some vision, Stepan, Brassard (if he'll sign cheap enough pre-deadline if not he is sold too), Zucc maybe.
Add in some toughness in McIlrath, Keep Falk for depth, maybe resign Haley for the 4th line/extra cheap along with Dorsett.
Keep a couple minute eaters, Stralman (if he'll sign cheap enough pre-deadline if not he is sold too).
Promote Miller, Allen and whomever else is ready to see what they have at the NHL level.
Would still be short a young RHD that could play the power play. Still be short some scoring and defense, but no team is giving those things up, they have to either draft them or find them before they break-out.
There is a relatively young team, fill the holes with cheap leftover one year UFAs for next season, rinse repeat one more time at the next deadline and then start to import players based on whatever the needs are at that time.
Agree. I rather see them address needs through the draft, we lack a young dynamic forward and you either trade for a young one or draft one.
Nice soundbite. Sounds like Sather. "We need a young dynamic forward that will help us win the Stanley Cup."
What we need to make that a reality is a GM with a long-term vision. What happens when Sather drafts this kid and it takes him 3-4 years to develop, and hes decided the type of team he wants should be different each season? Does the draft pick fit into the plans anymore?
McIlrath is a good example. Drafted because we needed toughness. But now the team seems to be veering to a more skill based type of play that highlights skating and playmaking ability.
Good point. Is McIlrath really a need at the moment when the team is trying to get faster and more skilled? Horrible way to manage a team.
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I agree, the GM has to get the owner on board with a rebuild which makes this all a pipe dream. Rebuilds don't sell very well, but the other alternative is pretty much what we see every year.
I don't know about anyone else but, does anyone see a whole lot of players on this team where they can envision them holding a large silver chalice above their heads?
I sound like Sather? He told you we need a young dynamic fwd because he doesn't ****ing provide us with one. You need every element to win a cup. Scoring,toughness, etc. and it definitely doesn't happen overnight
There is room for physical players. Aaron Rome was a member of the Canucks D. Vigneault has said the team needs more physical play. The team needs soooo many things. The Rangers brought up McIlrath. He knows and they know what he needs to improve on. Samuelsson showed him clips about positioning. Beukeboom and McIlrath will work on it. Whether AV was the coach or not,offensive production from the blueline was an issue before Vigneault. More skill has always been an issue. If the Rangers ever want to win,there will be a need to add skill. Even if Tortorella were still the coach. You can't stop block your way to a Cup.
Bingo. All of these posts I see about the team needing to be more skilled, or tougher, or bigger, or faster, or more defensively responsible. Good teams are all of those things. You don't build a team around one attribute.
Sather called Toronto again. TO will trade Franson for a righty. Gardiner could go for another defenseman. http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/b...fs/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
I think toughness is needed on any team, but it shouldnt be the sole reason somebody is on the team. Thats where the McIlrath debate seems headed.
The kid would've fit in really nicely in the type of defense Tortorella had. Now? Im not so sure.
Im talking about playing the game, because I think thats the most important part. I thought his quote about watching Girardi and modeling his game after him was a scary one, considering a lot of folks agree that Girardi's game doesnt fit into this type of system.
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Someone on twitter (during the pens game) said Nash couldn't be more of a dog if he barked and chased his tail or played fetch.
Couldn't be more right. He's an epic waste of talent. Has anyone even noticed him in games recently? Better yet, anyone even noticed him all year? Don't feed me this BS about him being hurt. This is who he is. Scores meaningless goals in games where we're either being blown out or already have a decent lead.
I watched this same story play out in Columbus.
Nash has never been "the guy" and he never will be. We'll be stuck with him until his contract expires because at this rate, no one is taking his contract.
****ing third banana at best.
Wanna fix the Rangers? Start by moving this bum out of New York.
Couldn't be more right. He's an epic waste of talent. Has anyone even noticed him in games recently? Better yet, anyone even noticed him all year? Don't feed me this BS about him being hurt. This is who he is. Scores meaningless goals in games where we're either being blown out or already have a decent lead.
I watched this same story play out in Columbus.
Nash has never been "the guy" and he never will be. We'll be stuck with him until his contract expires because at this rate, no one is taking his contract.
****ing third banana at best.
Wanna fix the Rangers? Start by moving this bum out of New York.
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The problem with this team and many of the fans is that no one seems to be able to put their head around putting together a team of various different types of players. We need skill! Wait, we need toughness! Wait, we need size! Wait, we need defense! Wait we need snipers! Wait we need playmakers! etc.
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McIlrath needs to show he can take a regular shift first. You just can't have a goon in the lineup every night in salary cap world.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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This post brought to you by Glen Sather's thoughts.
It's this whole thought process that I'm talking about when I say the organization has not committed to a philosophy.
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This is very accurate.
Bruins for instance are not a big team overall. They are below average. But they have a mix of a couple big guys.
Yup, while Glen Sather is on the other side of the room trying to fix the scoring issue, 2 more leaks open up across the way.
13+ years later and the only thing we can agree on is that we need everything.
I think that's a pretty pointless debate to be having. The kid came up, looked like he needed to improve, and was sent back down. Yeah, he fought McG, but that doesn't mean he's here simply for his fists. The kid can actually play hockey.
I don't think it's scary at all. Girardi is a no-nonsense, stay-at-home defender who relies more on his positioning than his speed. McIlrath has an advantage over Girardi in terms of wingspan, and I think his mobility is better as well, but he's not able to read the play at this level yet. They're not telling him to be Dan Girardi, they're telling him to watch how Girardi reads the play. Girardi's problem isn't his defense, it's his skating and lack of a transition game. He also has little ability to skate the puck out of his own end. The stretch pass is his thing, and it was Tortorella's thing. Puck rushing is AV's thing, and I think McIlrath is better at rushing the puck than he is at making stretch passes.
That's fine, but I think it's pretty unfair to label a kid with two NHL games under his belt a goon, or even project him as such. The kid can scrap, but that seems to be painting him with a negative brush around here.
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I'm not doing either.
He hasn't really shown he can do that yet. I think the negativity comes him not ready for the NHL yet.
Girardi's free agency status is the biggest reason why he doesn't fit. You're going to commit big dollars and term to a 30 year old D. Girardi isn't a physical player. He isn't an offensive player. He's a good defense first D. Staal is the same. The Rangers have too many of those guys. Staal and Stepan visited a kids hospital yesterday. A girl tweeted her pictures with them and Stepan retweeted them. Staal looks like to be OK. McIlrath brings a different dimension than Girardi. Sauer looked like **** in his first stint with the Rangers. Injuries were his biggest issue. Don't give up on McIlrath just yet.
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