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[Soundwave]

Gretz had to deal with the adversity of 81, 82, 83 and 86. Wasn't easy back then either. In fairness to Gretz he also played pro hockey from age 16 on and against men trying to run him out of the rink. So that if he slowed down a wee bit at age of Connor McD he did so after already playing a dozen yrs pro hockey, deserves to be said. So apples to oranges. You are right that no Lemieux exists today.

Thing is even in worst seasons Gretz wasn't 50th in goal scoring...

Its arguable beyond last season that Drai has even been a better playoff performer playing on the same team and with serious injury one postseason.

Anyway neither of us want to besmirch at all. This was a side topic that somehow came up.

Gretzky lived a charmed life in Edmonton, the most loaded NHL team ever.

We saw in LA life wasn't so easy on the ice. Dude got eliminated by the Oilers without Gretzky 3/4 times including even once to an Oilers team that had no Messier, no Kurri, no Anderson, no Fuhr, no Coffey. etc.

McDavid carries a far heavier burden than Wayne ever did. Wayne had amazing management, scouting, drafting, etc. etc. behind him and never won anything without the deck ridiculously loaded in his favor.

 

[McFlyingV]

Gretz had to deal with the adversity of 81, 82, 83 and 86. Wasn't easy back then either. In fairness to Gretz he also played pro hockey from age 16 on and against men trying to run him out of the rink. So that if he slowed down a wee bit at age of Connor McD he did so after already playing a dozen yrs pro hockey, deserves to be said. So apples to oranges. You are right that no Lemieux exists today.

Thing is even in worst seasons Gretz wasn't 50th in goal scoring...

Its arguable beyond last season that Drai has even been a better playoff performer playing on the same team and with serious injury one postseason.

Anyway neither of us want to besmirch at all. This was a side topic that somehow came up.

What did he have to deal with? He was a young player having fun living out his dream. There's very little expectation at that age.

Yeah he played pro against men who could barely skate. Apples to oranges indeed.

I agree though this isn't worth putting much energy into. I think this entire fanbase needs to just chill out on McDavid. The mental fatigue is obvious, and he's even come out and said it. Do we really care about the regular season or regular season awards? I figured as a fanbase we were way passed that.

Until this player gives you a reason to doubt him when it matters, then why are we? Pitting Draisaitl against him isn't exactly productive either. Draisaitl is a first ballot HHOFer when he retires, and so outperforming McDavid in a playoffs or playoff series shouldn't be a surprise. Mark Messier did the same to Gretzky.

 

[McFlyingV]

Was it Kane? If so that was against Calgary and that doesn’t count.

No that was Zach Hyman last year.

 

[K1984]

I pay little attention to ineffectual energy. McD comes shooting out of a cannon almost every game. he's become more of a predictable player than he's been in the past, and with that a player that is being contained much more than he has been in the past. Futile rushes that don't work don't do a lot for me.

McD needs to start scoring some goals. 50th in goal scoring this season with his pedigree is not up to where he should be. Not at all.

Also news to me, haven't seen a lot of that this year. True for the 4 Nations though.

I agree that he's been a dog (by his standards) pretty much the whole year in Edmonton and I haven't been shy to express that opinion, but saying he was a zero in the 4 Nations just isn't accurate.

 

[McFlyingV]

Gretzky lived a charmed life in Edmonton, the most loaded NHL team ever.

We saw in LA life wasn't so easy on the ice. Dude got eliminated by the Oilers without Gretzky 3/4 times including even once to an Oilers team that had no Messier, no Kurri, no Anderson, no Fuhr, no Coffey. etc.

McDavid carries a far heavier burden than Wayne ever did. Wayne had amazing management, scouting, drafting, etc. etc. behind him and never won anything without the deck ridiculously loaded in his favor.

A f***ing men.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Also news to me, haven't seen a lot of that this year. True for the 4 Nations though.

I agree that he's been a dog (by his standards) pretty much the whole year in Edmonton and I haven't been shy to express that opinion, but saying he was a zero in the 4 Nations just isn't accurate.

I never said he was zero in 4nations. Why strawman?

 

[McFlyingV]

I never said he was zero in 4nations. Why strawman?

True, it was the poster you quoted me quoting who said that. But that's par for the course for him. Doom and gloom, sky is falling, world is ending, life is over.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Gretzky lived a charmed life in Edmonton, the most loaded NHL team ever.

We saw in LA life wasn't so easy on the ice. Dude got eliminated by the Oilers without Gretzky 3/4 times including even once to an Oilers team that had no Messier, no Kurri, no Anderson, no Fuhr, no Coffey. etc.

McDavid carries a far heavier burden than Wayne ever did. Wayne had amazing management, scouting, drafting, etc. etc. behind him and never won anything without the deck ridiculously loaded in his favor.

Spoken like somebody that wasn't even there for any of it. Gretz had as much pressure as anybody in hockey and back then there was not just the NHL games but many more international tournaments and being the face of the league and especially in US. No player since maybe Howe or Orr are even in that spectrum Ridiculous comments by you.

Let us know you don't know a thing about Gretz without telling us. Gretz was known in the States from NY to LA and had to hold hat up every day every game. You could post pictures of McD today in US and most people there wouldn't know who he is.

Far heavier burden. lol Hows that been going?

The main reason we even have a 32 team NHL now is Gretzky. He paved the way for all that.

 

[CycloneSweep]

No that was Zach Hyman last year.

Those were McDavid goals just using Hymans body

Honestly I’m just down on the team because of how awful so many of the forwards have been and the fact they are mostly all older and at a point where they are probably just declining.

Definitely a bit of over reaction but at the moment this forward group is performing very bad.

 

[belair]

Without looking at the actual Carlo return, I have to say that I really like Toronto's deadline.

Getting two picks back with Laughton at $1.5m for two playoff runs for the 1st is a clear win. Just a really good bottom six locker room leader.

Carlo is a clear top four upgrade and they're getting three years of retention.

Two really good vets that help their defense.

 

[K1984]

I never said he was zero in 4nations. Why strawman?

Sorry, must have misinterpreted your suggestion that Canada doesn't get past Sweden because of McDavid's play while concurrently shining Mackinnon as praise of McDavid's game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Sorry, must have misinterpreted your suggestion that Canada doesn't get past Sweden because of McDavid's play while concurrently shining Mackinnon as praise of McDavid's game.

Purposeful misinterpretation as usual.

 

[MessierThanThou]

How your objectivity could ever be questioned after reading this incredibly astute insight is an absolute mystery.

Looks like one more dingleberry that the last wipe missed...

This board need a special chatroom for the 6 posters that still want to believe in Stuart Skinner.

OnlyStans

 

[Cloned]

Without looking at the actual Carlo return, I have to say that I really like Toronto's deadline.

Getting two picks back with Laughton at $1.5m for two playoff runs for the 1st is a clear win. Just a really good bottom six locker room leader.

Carlo is a clear top four upgrade and they're getting three years of retention.

Two really good vets that help their defense.

If you combined the Leafs and Oilers roster it’d probably be good enough to make it to Game 7 SCF OT before we would get f***ed by Sunbelt officiating.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Without looking at the actual Carlo return, I have to say that I really like Toronto's deadline.

Getting two picks back with Laughton at $1.5m for two playoff runs for the 1st is a clear win. Just a really good bottom six locker room leader.

Carlo is a clear top four upgrade and they're getting three years of retention.

Two really good vets that help their defense.

Carlo has taken a big drop in play due to some injuries, so less of a home run. He could get better again. Laughton imho is one of the most overrated players in the league. He is not a great player away from the puck and not a good penalty killer. He’s actually quite bad defensively.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Mcdavid still didn’t look like his usual self at the 4 nations either to me. Instead of 50% of his usual self he was like 75%.

How many games has he took over this season? Or crazy jaw dropping highlight reel plays?

Not hating McJesus, he’d do it if he could but he’s either past his prime or been struggling with an injury for almost 2 years.

They can’t just expect McDavid to carry us back to the finals and score 40 points again. Unless he regains his form next year that is never happening again.

 

[Drivesaitl]

True, it was the poster you quoted me quoting who said that. But that's par for the course for him. Doom and gloom, sky is falling, world is ending, life is over.

I'm not seeing all the posts here. just saying. heh

 

[Murphinator]

I will literally never see this team lift a cup in my life will I?

 

[Soundwave]

Spoken like somebody that wasn't even there for any of it. Gretz had as much pressure as anybody in hockey and back then there was not just the NHL games but many more international tournaments and being the face of the league and especially in US. No player since maybe Howe or Orr are even in that spectrum Ridiculous comments by you.

Let us know you don't know a thing about Gretz without telling us. Gretz was known in the States from NY to LA and had to hold hat up every day every game. You could post pictures of McD today in US and most people there wouldn't know who he is.

Far heavier burden. lol Hows that been going?

I was there for all of that, I even saw Wayne Gretzky practice live on that team in person multiple times.

The equivalent to the 1980s Oilers would be if you gave McDavid not only Draisaitl and Hyman but Makar and Pastranak and Slavin and Bobrovsky and not only that but then several very good tough to play against role players and some nasty mean SOBs to bully other teams too.

Gretzky would have 0 Cups with the management McDavid has. Same for Mario and Sid and Ovy.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Okay then continue whining. Seems like majority of you guys whine just because you enjoy it.

I don’t think I’m whining all that often, same with SOME posters complaining about goalies. It’s just obviously bad and obviously going to ruin our Cup hopes AGAIN. When there’s obvious problems some people like to point them out in hopes of actually fixing those problems.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Gretzky lived a charmed life in Edmonton, the most loaded NHL team ever.

We saw in LA life wasn't so easy on the ice. Dude got eliminated by the Oilers without Gretzky 3/4 times including even once to an Oilers team that had no Messier, no Kurri, no Anderson, no Fuhr, no Coffey. etc.

McDavid carries a far heavier burden than Wayne ever did. Wayne had amazing management, scouting, drafting, etc. etc. behind him and never won anything without the deck ridiculously loaded in his favor.

That Cup in 1990 and two subsequent Conference Finals proves exactly that.

You know what else put that '90 Oilers team over the hump? Goaltending. As Bill Ranford's Conn Smythe kinda sorta implies.

There’s always a handful of dudes calling everyone whiners. You’re ok with failure, we get it, continue to fail and pretend everything is ok because you don’t want to be a whiner.

You’re not enlightened because you bury your head in the sand, sorry.

An awful lot of them also seem to blame everything on our best players to simp for dead weight.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Okay then continue whining. Seems like majority of you guys whine just because you enjoy it.

Nice 180, bud.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Spoken like somebody that wasn't even there for any of it. Gretz had as much pressure as anybody in hockey and back then there was not just the NHL games but many more international tournaments and being the face of the league and especially in US. No player since maybe Howe or Orr are even in that spectrum Ridiculous comments by you.

Let us know you don't know a thing about Gretz without telling us. Gretz was known in the States from NY to LA and had to hold hat up every day every game. You could post pictures of McD today in US and most people there wouldn't know who he is.

Far heavier burden. lol Hows that been going?

The main reason we even have a 32 team NHL now is Gretzky. He paved the way for all that.

I think the point was.
Remove Gretzky from Edmonton and Edmonton was still arguably the best or second best team in the league.
Remove McDavid from Edmonton and the Oilers are a bottom 10 team. At least for most of his time here.

 

[McFlyingV]

Without looking at the actual Carlo return, I have to say that I really like Toronto's deadline.

Getting two picks back with Laughton at $1.5m for two playoff runs for the 1st is a clear win. Just a really good bottom six locker room leader.

Carlo is a clear top four upgrade and they're getting three years of retention.

Two really good vets that help their defense.

I think you might want to give yourself a refresher on Carlo's play. He's been bad for 3 years, injury prone, inconsistent physical play, and has next to zero offence or puck moving ability.

It's possible he bounces back or fits better in Toronto, but he's essentially a #6 or #5 if you're being generous.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I will literally never see this team lift a cup in my life will I?

Not likely, no. But the owner will be more than happy to bump up ticket prices! And in the end, isn't lining a billionaire's pockets exactly the same thing as winning a Stanley Cup?