Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Will Chia get us an Xmas gift?

[Samus44]

Not surprised, of course the asking price is going to be higher than what they settle for. I also wouldn't be surprised if it irks the players a bit being on a budget team when their owner is one of if not the richest in the league.

These guys don't get rich making unprofitable investments. Winnipeg will pay what their profits dictate they can. Also David Thomson is only half of the ownership group TNSE and isn't nearly as rich as some seem to think. Also just because someone is worth billions doesn't mean it's capital they can just throw away willy nilly, most of it is tied up in investments and are projections of net worth as it relates to the value of a business (i.e. he'd have to sell the business to access those funds). Don't get me wrong he could probably throw some pocket change at Trouba and get a deal done but there's a reason someone like Katz still financed his part of the arena financing through a lender. Raw capital isn't as readily available to these folks as people think.

 

[Samus44]

Trouba is an American player. Cities like Winnipeg, Edmonton and Calgary probably aren't at the top of his list to spend his career. It might be a good time for the Jets to explore a Trouba/Harmonic+ swap.

Well i don't know if Winnipeg needs to panic either, Trouba is under team control for a long time yet. Hamonic is going to be a downgrade in a year or two i'd think and if/when Trouba puts it all together he's going to be worth a lot more and his contract status isn't going to be a big pain for awhile. They'd be better off moving Byfuglien if the cap is the concern, as he's more likely to be a poor investment in 5 years. Although it also depends on what the + with Hamonic is, i get the sense Snow isn't really willing to add a lot to a deal.

 

[Fourier]

Winnipeg's business model is to operate within their means. The timing here is not great with a lower $CDN already reducing some of the potential operating margin. BUt if they gave all three the deals they are looking for by the time they sign everyone they would be close to the cap next year. I doubt that is in their plans even though they could afford to do so.

 

[Suxnet]

Kopitar, Toews, Crosby, Getzlaf are past their primes?

RNH has played poorly throughout his NHL career?

OK.

Forwards' primes are typically twenty to mid twenties, so yeah, they are either at the end or past their primes, but still good players obviously.

RNH has played poor compared to expectations, which was/is #1C.

 

[McWeber]

Winnipeg's business model is to operate within their means. The timing here is not great with a lower $CDN already reducing some of the potential operating margin. BUt if they gave all three the deals they are looking for by the time they sign everyone they would be close to the cap next year. I doubt that is in their plans even though they could afford to do so.

Definitely not an enviable position, being in the central on a budget with atleast 1 of your best players likely to be lost in FA. Not to mention the fact that Winnipeg isn't exactly the #1 destination for free agents. Gotta say its nice knowing that money shouldn't be a concern for the oilers in the near future. I wonder if a budget team had won the Mcdavid lottery if the revenue he generates could instantly make them able to afford spending to the cap?

 

[Paralyzer008]

What's your point then? That he produces at a decent enough rate to be called a 1st liner, which is why he should not be traded? Despite, of course, being soft, not good enough defensively, and needing good linemates to produce. In other words, the Sam Gagner argument. I see nothing in him that screams elite or even great.

Trade him while he still has the allure of potential to the rest of the league.

Of course, he isn't soft, our best defensive C and doesn't anyone need good linemates to produce? Draisaitl wouldn't be doing much without Hall. Yak sucked without McDavid or Roy. You can't just stick RNH with a rookie that hasn't scored at any level and a guy coming off a major shoulder injury and expect him to scream production. Toews is struggling to score right now with Garbutt and Shaw as linemates, unsurprisingly.

Comparing RNH to Gagner is sad. It's like you've only been watching the Oilers since November 15.

 

[Suxnet]

Of course, he isn't soft, our best defensive C and doesn't anyone need good linemates to produce? Draisaitl wouldn't be doing much without Hall. Yak sucked without McDavid or Roy. You can't just stick RNH with a rookie that hasn't scored at any level and a guy coming off a major shoulder injury and expect him to scream production. Toews is struggling to score right now with Garbutt and Shaw as linemates, unsurprisingly.

Comparing RNH to Gagner is sad. It's like you've only been watching the Oilers since November 15.

RNH has played with Hall plenty of times. When did he produce like Drai is doing? He even played with both Hall and Drai and was still 3rd best on that line. The Eberle shoulder excuse thing got old a while ago. He's always a passenger. And like I said before, when he can show the defensive prowess of guys like Toews/Bergeron/Kopitar, then he can be compared to them.

He's a better Gagner at this point. He is only 22 so I do hope something just clicks and that offensive skill from his rookie season comes back, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

 

[Paralyzer008]

RNH has played with Hall plenty of times. When did he produce like Drai is doing? He even played with both Hall and Drai and was still 3rd best on that line. The Eberle shoulder excuse thing got old a while ago. He's always a passenger. And like I said before, when he can show the defensive prowess of guys like Toews/Bergeron/Kopitar, then he can be compared to them.

He's a better Gagner at this point. He is only 22 so I do hope something just clicks and that offensive skill from his rookie season comes back, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

Gagner is the worst defensive forward in the NHL.

I don't know how you can even put RNH in the same realm.

Draisaitl has played 20 games this year and only about 12 of those are on the line he's with now.

RNH is still taking the hardest competition so that Leon and Hall can get the easier matchups.

If you're going to make a call for the future on 12 games...well I'm glad Chiarelli is GM then.

 

[Suxnet]

Gagner is the worst defensive forward in the NHL.

I don't know how you can even put RNH in the same realm.

Draisaitl has played 20 games this year and only about 12 of those are on the line he's with now.

RNH is still taking the hardest competition so that Leon and Hall can get the easier matchups.

If you're going to make a call for the future on 12 games...well I'm glad Chiarelli is GM then.

By better, I mean he is similar to Gagner in his playstyle but a little better in all aspects of hockey. Even if he is getting hard matchups, he should be doing better out there. Getting hemmed in the dzone constantly and losing puck battles is not good enough. And he should be producing on top of that. That's what good centers do in the NHL.

 

[russ99]

I still think Hall - RNH - Drai with Drai taking draws is how we're going to go when McDavid gets back. Hopkins is a better defensive center and that will free up Drai to wreak as much havoc as Hall has at wing.

Then run Pouliot - McDavid - Yak or Ebs as the second line.

Would rather see Chiarelli get someone decent for the bottom six that can defend and play well in the cycle than make a dumb trade to eat up the loads of cap space we're going to have this summer.

 

[syz]

Dreger ambiguously tweeting that Tyson Barrie could get 6-8 million a year. Liking that Klefbom contract.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Dreger ambiguously tweeting that Tyson Barrie could get 6-8 million a year. Liking that Klefbom contract.

Klefbom's contract is just going to keep looking better and better.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Instead of dealing a C, I'm actually going to advocate for ANOTHER C.

Think Frans Nielsen on a 2 year deal would be a nice fit here. Could play left side on RNH's line or shift to C if Drai shifts to RW.

Hall
Pouliot
Nielsen
Hendricks

Drai
McDavid
RNH
Lander/Letestu

LW and C would be set. I have no idea about how the RW would shake down because nothing at all is set there. Take your pick between Eberle, Yakupov, Purcell on a re-sign, Khaira, Pakarinen, Slepy, Korpse (probably no due to salary), a new veteran winger or a new bigger physical winger.

 

[Spawn]

Talbot standing tall tonight. Big time.

Whoops wrong thread

Lets trade for Doughty.

 

[Joey Moss]

Hawks trade Daley for Scuderi.. and we couldn't get Daley for Nikitin? Hmm

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Hawks trade Daley for Scuderi.. and we couldn't get Daley for Nikitin? Hmm

Damn

Chicago seemed to be the only
one rumoured to be interested whatsoever
Maybe they called him up to showcase and then Stan Bowman decided to go a different direction?

 

[LTIR]

Hawks trade Daley for Scuderi.. and we couldn't get Daley for Nikitin? Hmm

why would we want Daley ??
Rather let Nikitin's contract expire.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

A playoff spot in December while being without McDavid... Is this real life???


Moving that 1st rounder for a defenseman is looking a whole lot more tempting.

Imagine adding McDavid and even just a guy like Hamonic or Myers come January. Zero reason why this team wouldn't be able to hold down a top 3 spot in the division.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Getting right d would help in two ways: adding said player and pushing Jultz down the lineup. Less Jultz plays the better. Woodcroft needs to take him off the pp

 

[LTIR]

Getting right d would help in two ways: adding said player and pushing Jultz down the lineup. Less Jultz plays the better. Woodcroft needs to take him off the pp

Getting RD for Schultz would help in 2 ways aswell... adding said player...subtracting the other said player...

 

[oil Leaks]

The Oilers need a RD who can hammer the puck on the PowerPlay. Schultz is just cutting it. Dustin Byfuglien would be ideal.

 

[Old Boys Club]

The Oilers need a RD who can hammer the puck on the PowePlay. Schultz is just cutting it. Dustin Byfuglien would be ideal.

Shattenkirk would be another. I watched a lot of Blues games last year as my second team (when Eakins was still the coach) and Shattenkirk is a very dominant pp player. Pretty much the definition of a pp qb. He's also not that bad defensively and competes.

 

[duul]

Chiarelli needs to make a trade for a RHD. We are getting very lucky so far. Our #2 and #3 D were AHL and OHL players last year.

You saw the game tonight. Our D looked atrocious.

 

[LTIR]

The Oilers need a RD who can hammer the puck on the PowePlay. Schultz is just cutting it. Dustin Byfuglien would be ideal.

yup... hoping the Jets lose a few more games here soon making Buff available. We are now tied with them in points

 

[Suxnet]

Shattenkirk would be another. I watched a lot of Blues games last year as my second team (when Eakins was still the coach) and Shattenkirk is a very dominant pp player. Pretty much the definition of a pp qb. He's also not that bad defensively and competes.

I'm pretty high on Shattenkirk as well. Is he even available? He would be huge for the Oilers.