Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Will Chia get us an Xmas gift?

[shoop]

So does Malone haha

I would pick up Stoll just to see if he remembered how to hit the net.

I was not aware of Malone.

Apparently he was out of his mind and driving when he got busted for that white powder. Trying to make a turn from the centre lane and not quite pulling it off. He's still got a trial coming up, not good....

 

[ales83fan]

stoll has more goals in one shift this year than lander has in 30ish games

Stoll is washed up.

One good shift does not change that.

And it's not like the guy is killing it as a bottom 6-er either...

BTW Lander's faceoffs this year have been amazing. So that's not a reaosn to look at Stoll

 

[Samus44]

Stoll's interesting simply because he can win faceoffs and he's a righty. I don't know if he'll stick after some of the injured players come back but maybe he's worth a claim... maybe. I haven't watched him enough this year to have much of an opinion.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

What does the advanced stats say on him?

Worst CF% among forwards with a minimum of 200min of 5v5. In the whole league.

He's complete garbage.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Soooo this is interesting from the mainboards...

League and player sources have confirmed that Jets captain Andrew Ladd has asked for a six-year deal worth at least $41 million, that defenceman Dustin Byfuglien has requested $55 million over eight years and that defenceman Jacob Trouba wants more than $56 million over the maximum eight years allowed in the league’s CBA with its players.

That Trouba ask is absolute insanity. Let's hope to hell he does not get it because that could mean a world of trouble when it comes time to re-sign Nurse.

 

[Suxnet]

What are you on about? And how does it relate to what I've written?
He's not played great and I've not claimed otherwise. But the critique needs to be proportionate. I mean, what does Kopitar, Toews, Getzlaf, Staal, and Crosby have in common? They all have less points then RNH so far this season. RNH is T-62 in scoring among forwards, so he's still producing like a 1st liner (while not playing at his best).

Kopitar is a multiple-time 70+ point player with great defensive play. Toews is overrated imo, but he still has Selke level defense and multiple 60+ point seasons. Getzlaf has had many ppg seasons. Staal has also had many high scoring seasons. Crosby has won scoring trophies gods sake.

When RNH can produce seasons like those guys have done, then he deserves more slack. Comparing him to players who have had elite seasons, but are past their primes now doesn't show anything besides how poor RNH has been for the Oilers thus far in his career.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

Kopitar is a multiple-time 70+ point player with great defensive play. Toews is overrated imo, but he still has Selke level defense and multiple 60+ point seasons. Getzlaf has had many ppg seasons. Staal has also had many high scoring seasons. Crosby has won scoring trophies gods sake.

When RNH can produce seasons like those guys have done, then he deserves more slack. Comparing him to players who have had elite seasons, but are past their primes now doesn't show anything besides how poor RNH has been for the Oilers thus far in his career.

I'm not comparing RNH to any of them. You are missing the point, completely.

 

[Suxnet]

I'm not comparing RNH to any of them. You are missing the point, completely.

What's your point then? That he produces at a decent enough rate to be called a 1st liner, which is why he should not be traded? Despite, of course, being soft, not good enough defensively, and needing good linemates to produce. In other words, the Sam Gagner argument. I see nothing in him that screams elite or even great.

Trade him while he still has the allure of potential to the rest of the league.

 

[Samus44]

Soooo this is interesting from the mainboards...

League and player sources have confirmed that Jets captain Andrew Ladd has asked for a six-year deal worth at least $41 million, that defenceman Dustin Byfuglien has requested $55 million over eight years and that defenceman Jacob Trouba wants more than $56 million over the maximum eight years allowed in the league’s CBA with its players.

That Trouba ask is absolute insanity. Let's hope to hell he does not get it because that could mean a world of trouble when it comes time to re-sign Nurse.

Sounds like Trouba doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or is simply a moron. I guess i understand if Winnipeg is trying to get him to give them term, but really he hasn't done anything to deserve a caphit like that yet.

 

[oilz89*]

Sounds like Trouba doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or is simply a moron.

Lol why would anyone wanna play in Winnipeg anyway.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Sounds like Trouba doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or is simply a moron. I guess i understand if Winnipeg is trying to get him to give them term, but really he hasn't done anything to deserve a caphit like that yet.

He's apparently trying to sell Drew Doughty as a comparable...

 

[Jet Walters]

It's the 5 vs 5 play where RNH has really regressed this year. He may still have respectable point totals, but his points per 60 is close to what you'd expect from a 4th liner. He is currently 258th amongst forwards with a minimum 50 minutes played in 5 vs 5 situations. Eberle is 384th. These two need to get it going at even strength as it seems unlikely Hall and Drai can keep scoring at the pace they are.

Kane and Panarin= combined 62 GP 41 5vs5 points
Benn and Seguin= 60 GP 39 5vs5 points
Hall and Draisaitl= 48 GP 40 5vs5 points

Hall and Drai have been the most productive tandem 5 vs 5 and it is not even close. What we are witnessing here is truly magical. McDavid back= another instant scoring line. If Eberle and RNH could just play at their career average in terms of offensive production at evens, this team could go on a serious run.

 

[oXo Cube]

If I was Trouba I wouldn't commit long term for less than a huge contract either.

He is capable of much better than he has shown and he knows it.

It won't be a big deal, he will get bridged.

 

[belair]

Comparing him to players who have had elite seasons, but are past their primes now doesn't show anything besides how poor RNH has been for the Oilers thus far in his career.

Kopitar, Toews, Crosby, Getzlaf are past their primes?

RNH has played poorly throughout his NHL career?

OK.

 

[Samus44]

Eric Staal is an elite center? You do realize that Staal has less points then RNH this season? And guess who scored more last season?

Lets stop with these silly comparisons. RNH has produced like a higher end 2C 5v5 and like a very good 1C on the PP since he stepped into the league, while facing the toughest competition in the western conference. 55 points a season these days is good for top 60 in NHL scoring among forwards. It's nothing to sneeze at.

RNH is a very good player, and he has a strong resume at 22. The hate that he's getting right now is beyond dumb.

No ****, especially when we all know damn well he isn't playing anywhere close to his best. All players go through lulls and if this is Hopkins' version of a lull then that's a pretty terrific player in it's own right. Why can't we have nice things? "A players merely only very good, get rid of him!" It's ridiculous. Also anyone calling him a 3C, wow just wow. At worst he's an elite 2C, no objective evidence suggests otherwise. This is 2015 not 1985, 50-60 points is arguably a low end #1. We need Hopkins, otherwise we're asking McDavid and Draisaitl to o against the other teams best on their own and if one gets hurt or slumps, as young players do, we're screwed.

 

[Fourier]

Soooo this is interesting from the mainboards...

League and player sources have confirmed that Jets captain Andrew Ladd has asked for a six-year deal worth at least $41 million, that defenceman Dustin Byfuglien has requested $55 million over eight years and that defenceman Jacob Trouba wants more than $56 million over the maximum eight years allowed in the league’s CBA with its players.

That Trouba ask is absolute insanity. Let's hope to hell he does not get it because that could mean a world of trouble when it comes time to re-sign Nurse.

Actually I am surprised Buff's numbers aren't higher. That is a cap hit of $6.85M. If you could get him on a front loaded 7 year deal at $6.5M it would be a risk worth considering.

Trouba's numbers are totally out of whack with what he is worth. At this point he is comparable with guys like Brodin in terms of what he ahs accomplished. $5M long term would put him at the top end of his tier of young defensemen.

With that ask I could see the Jets moving Trouba to the NYI's for Harmonic if Snow would bite. But I also don't think snow would be willing to give him anywhere close to $7M per year.

 

[Fourier]

No ****, especially when we all know damn well he isn't playing anywhere close to his best. All players go through lulls and if this is Hopkins' version of a lull then that's a pretty terrific player in it's own right. Why can't we have nice things? "A players merely only very good, get rid of him!" It's ridiculous. Also anyone calling him a 3C, wow just wow. At worst he's an elite 2C, no objective evidence suggests otherwise. This is 2015 not 1985, 50-60 points is arguably a low end #1. We need Hopkins, otherwise we're asking McDavid and Draisaitl to o against the other teams best on their own and if one gets hurt or slumps, as young players do, we're screwed.

Since he entered the league he is 26th in ppg for centers and if you exclude the year he played with a bum shoulder he is 20th. Moreover if you look only at ES points he is probably closer to 15-17th if you exclude the lockout year.

 

[Samus44]

Lol why would anyone wanna play in Winnipeg anyway.

If that's the attitude you have you're cheering for the wrong team. I wouldn't mind playing in a city that loves the game, has a young roster poised to get better and be a quality team for years to come, believed in me enough to draft me and give me a shot. Winnipeg isn't a terrible place to be by any means. White whine.

 

[Aceboogie]

People forget players always ask for sky high amounts. Its bargaining

 

[Samus44]

Since he entered the league he is 26th in ppg for centers and if you exclude the year he played with a bum shoulder he is 20th. Moreover if you look only at ES points he is probably closer to 15-17th if you exclude the lockout year.

And he's 22 and growing! This is why i say he has the potnetial to be elite or IMO is a solid #1C as of now. People forget he carried this team offensively the first half of last season. Many a quality #1 C were either nowhere close to what they are now at his age or still in the minors, Datsuyk wasn't Datsuyk at this age and the guy was arguably a top 3 player in the world for half a decade. Yet Detroit always believed in him.

 

[Wheathead]

Lol why would anyone wanna play in Winnipeg anyway.

By that logic, who'd want to play in Edmonton anyways?

 

[McWeber]

Soooo this is interesting from the mainboards...

League and player sources have confirmed that Jets captain Andrew Ladd has asked for a six-year deal worth at least $41 million, that defenceman Dustin Byfuglien has requested $55 million over eight years and that defenceman Jacob Trouba wants more than $56 million over the maximum eight years allowed in the league’s CBA with its players.

That Trouba ask is absolute insanity. Let's hope to hell he does not get it because that could mean a world of trouble when it comes time to re-sign Nurse.

Not surprised, of course the asking price is going to be higher than what they settle for. I also wouldn't be surprised if it irks the players a bit being on a budget team when their owner is one of if not the richest in the league.

 

[Fourier]

And he's 22 and growing! This is why i say he has the potnetial to be elite or IMO is a solid #1C as of now. People forget he carried this team offensively the first half of last season. Many a quality #1 C were either nowhere close to what they are now at his age or still in the minors, Datsuyk wasn't Datsuyk at this age and the guy was arguably a top 3 player in the world for half a decade. Yet Detroit always believed in him.

I agree. I actually understand people who feel that he could be traded due to Draisaitl and McDavid. I don't feel this way since having extra centers is not nearly the luxury some think. But at least there is an argument to be made. Calling him a #3C destroys all credibility.

 

[McShogun99]

Sounds like Trouba doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or is simply a moron. I guess i understand if Winnipeg is trying to get him to give them term, but really he hasn't done anything to deserve a caphit like that yet.

Trouba is an American player. Cities like Winnipeg, Edmonton and Calgary probably aren't at the top of his list to spend his career. It might be a good time for the Jets to explore a Trouba/Harmonic+ swap.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

What's your point then? That he produces at a decent enough rate to be called a 1st liner, which is why he should not be traded? Despite, of course, being soft, not good enough defensively, and needing good linemates to produce. In other words, the Sam Gagner argument. I see nothing in him that screams elite or even great.

Trade him while he still has the allure of potential to the rest of the league.

Have I discussed whether or not Oilers should entertain trading him?

My points where very simple: RNH is a very good player at 22, and during his career he has produced like a high end 2C 5v5 and like a good 1C on the PP. Overall his point production during his career puts him in the top 60-70 range among forwards in the NHL. That is nothing to sneeze at. As for Eric Staal, one poster called him "elite" (while comparing RNH to Mike Fisher), so I pointed out that RNH had more points last season, and is ahead of him this season too.

As for him being soft and not good enough defensively, I won't bother addressing that.