Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Will Chia get us an Xmas gift?

[harpoon]

(Pouliot) - McDavid - Eberle

This is the line I want to see. I think Eberle scores 30 in his sleep playing with McDavid. Forty would be quite possible. Need a motivated Pouliot though.

The more I think about it, the more I see RNH as being the guy who gets traded.

No need to, I don't run away from my opinions right or wrong. Hall is playing better than he ever has right now.

And he can even play better imo. People criticizing Hall were just not assessing the situation properly at all.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I'd say many players are better about this now and it comes down to having a good, experienced coach.

I've said this before but whatever you think about Halls decision making, defensive effort or positioning - he was the teams best defensive player prior to this year by a lot because he's the best and most consistent driver of offensive possession on the team.

It's fantastic that those problem areas are improving, but he was elite before.

You could be right. It's difficult to separate the coaching/team success from the player success.

Hall maybe became a scapegoat for sloppy offensive plays and poor possession. He still loses the puck but imo he is a more useful player this year.

I'm starting to think a lot of it is coaching. I don't know the ins and outs of system play but my sense is mclellan is preaching a lot more backchecking and support in the defensive zone and waiting for mistakes to create off the rush. Our past coaches have seemed to try to force rush opportunities with our speedsters as a way to generate offense. That may or may not make any sense.

In any case I'm saying I think Hall is a more effective player because of the system. (I think he is a better player too but that is common sense...:he is older and stronger).

Similarly I wonder if nuge and ebs look less effective because of the system as well.

 

[Samus44]

Offensively I would agree, defensively and in terms of physical play while bringing his best on offense? I don't think that we've ever seen a better version of Hall. His decision making with the puck has also been the best that it's ever been.

Strongly agree.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I like how RNH is dealing with a winger coming off a major shoulder injury and a 21 year old rookie from the 3rd round as linemates and HF is already ready to run him out.

If I have to I'll come back and post every day on the matter: You don't trade vital center depth. Imagine if we DIDN'T have RNH right now. After Draisaitl the 2nd line C is Letestu. Even with McDavid you'd have an 18 year old and a 20 year old playing tough minutes rather than RNH taking them on. Just nonsense.

We tanked so badly to get RNH, Draisaitl and McDavid. Be grateful we will have an advantage over every other team in the conference soon.

It's awesome that we're this close, we probably shouldn't be in the race quite yet but our division outside of LA is terrible so here we are.

 

[Up the Irons]

I like how RNH is dealing with a winger coming off a major shoulder injury and a 21 year old rookie from the 3rd round as linemates and HF is already ready to run him out.

If I have to I'll come back and post every day on the matter: You don't trade vital center depth. Imagine if we DIDN'T have RNH right now. After Draisaitl the 2nd line C is Letestu. Even with McDavid you'd have an 18 year old and a 20 year old playing tough minutes rather than RNH taking them on. Just nonsense.

We tanked so badly to get RNH, Draisaitl and McDavid. Be grateful we will have an advantage over every other team in the conference soon.

It's awesome that we're this close, we probably shouldn't be in the race quite yet but our division outside of LA is terrible so here we are.

please. more excuses. do they ever end? SCORE SOME EFFING GOALS!!!!

I agree, C depth is important, but quite pretending RNH is an elite anything. He is Mike Fisher, Jarret Stoll, Shaun Horcoff. Valuable, yes. elite and irreplaceable? no.

 

[Bastulon]

please. more excuses. do they ever end? SCORE SOME EFFING GOALS!!!!

I agree, C depth is important, but quite pretending RNH is an elite anything. He is Mike Fisher, Jarret Stoll, Shaun Horcoff. Valuable, yes. elite and irreplaceable? no.

RNH is Fisher and Stoll? I think you need to change how you evaluate players or your eyesight, something. Getta grip.

 

[SK13]

Mike Fisher, Shawn Horcoff and Jarrett Stoll had barely solidified roster spots in the NHL at 22, let alone played top-line centre (to a degree of legitimacy) for four seasons.

For the record:
RNH - 0.73 career PPG
Horcoff - 0.52 career PPG
Fisher - 0.54 career PPG
Stoll - 0.38 career PPG

Those three guys had brief career peaks where they compared better to Nuge offensively, but RNH's baseline is better. He's likely to be a 55+ 1B centre in the NHL for years to come. Those guys were maybe that for an instant nearly a decade ago.

What amuses me about this "RNH has been bad" rhetoric is the fact that's 30th among centres in scoring on pace for a 20 goal, 58 point season. That's about where he belongs. Not everyone needs to be the savior to be a highly important asset to have.

 

[Bastulon]

Mike Fisher, Shawn Horcoff and Jarrett Stoll had barely solidified roster spots in the NHL at 22, let alone played top-line centre (to a degree of legitimacy) for four seasons.

For the record:
RNH - 0.73 career PPG
Horcoff - 0.52 career PPG
Fisher - 0.54 career PPG
Stoll - 0.38 career PPG

Those three guys had brief career peaks where they compared better to Nuge offensively, but RNH's baseline is better. He's likely to be a 55+ 1B centre in the NHL for years to come.

What amuses me about this "RNH has been bad" rhetoric is the fact that's 30th among centres in scoring on pace for a 20 goal, 58 point season. Yes, he's struggled in the last month or so, but players have cold spells. It's happened to Hall, it will happen to Draisaitl, it will happen to McDavid.

Oil need to try 4/93/29 long term when everyone is healthy, that should help out his point totals, at least. Crazy the team finally has 3 amazing centers and fans are trying to run one out already.

 

[voxel]

please. more excuses. do they ever end? SCORE SOME EFFING GOALS!!!!

I agree, C depth is important, but quite pretending RNH is an elite anything. He is Mike Fisher, Jarret Stoll, Shaun Horcoff. Valuable, yes. elite and irreplaceable? no.

In their primes maybe, but Horcoff in his final few years here was getting murdered at ES against tough competition while Nuge is keeping afloat (good and bad stretches).

I don't think Nuge is the problem. Ebs is and I've been a big supporter of his.

 

[SK13]

That's not what I'd consider a good defensive forward. That's just a really good offensive forward. Now he's becoming both.

Offense and defense are the exact same thing under the possession umbrella.

The antiquated notion of match-ups and checking lines and players that only help you lose less when you are losing is being phased out of the game for players who predictably drive the puck into the offensive zone. Taylor Hall is worth five Brandon Sutters defensively.

 

[Up the Irons]

RNH is Fisher and Stoll? I think you need to change how you evaluate players or your eyesight, something. Getta grip.

yeah, I know. Mike Fisher has had six 20+ goal seasons, and of course, you can guarantee that RNH will blow that away in his career (tho, he has yet to do it even once).

I can see why you are sooooo positive he will just get way better than he has been to date.

here's one: when he actually scores 25 goals and gets 35 assists, then you can start saying he can do it. until then, you can harp on about the 'little things'.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

Mike Fisher's career-high is 53-points in a season. He's been above 50 points twice in 16 NHL seasons. RNH is quite obviously a much better player offensively.

 

[Up the Irons]

In their primes maybe, but Horcoff in his final few years here was getting murdered at ES against tough competition while Nuge is keeping afloat (good and bad stretches).

I don't think Nuge is the problem. Ebs is and I've been a big supporter of his.

Horc, Stoll and Fisher are all good players. RNH is a good player. He is just not an elite C like some still hope he becomes. To this point, he has never actually proven it.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

yeah, I know. Mike Fisher has had six 20+ goal seasons, and of course, you can guarantee that RNH will blow that away in his career (tho, he has yet to do it even once).

I can see why you are sooooo positive he will just get way better than he has been to date.

here's one: when he actually scores 25 goals and gets 35 assists, then you can start saying he can do it. until then, you can harp on about the 'little things'.

I get what you're saying but when Fisher had those 20+ goals and 50 pts seasons league scoring was way higher. He was maybe at best 5th in his team in scoring and sometimes 7th or 8th with those numbers. One year Peter Schaffer, Wade Redden AND Bryan Smolinski had more pts than Mike Fisher who had 44 pts that yr. I think your comparison is missing some context.

Today, scoring is down so Nuge's two 50 pts seasons make him a much better player than Mike Fisher ever was or ever will be.

 

[Young Lions*]

Horc, Stoll and Fisher are all good players. RNH is a good player. He is just not an elite C like some still hope he becomes. To this point, he has never actually proven it.

Define "elite".

 

[Up the Irons]

Mike Fisher's career-high is 53-points in a season. He's been above 50 points twice in 16 NHL seasons. RNH is quite obviously a much better player offensively.

he's also had a 25 goal season and he has never been anointed the 1C, with the ice time a and PP time that comes with it.

RNH is on the 1st PP play unit. How many PP points has he got?

Look, I like the kid. He is just not as good as you guys think he is, thus far, anyways. If you want to call him and use him for what he is, a Shaun Horcoff-type, then this argument will dissipate.

He is what he is. A solid, useful, NHL 2C, a great 3C, and can play 1C in a pinch. that is actually a pretty valuable player. Just not elite. he is no Eric Stahl or John Tavares. that's elite.

 

[McPuritania]

People riding Davidson hard last year, and especially the early part of this season. Now all of a sudden, he's a solid d-man that might have to be promoted to the top pairing due to Klef's injury. He's a horse back there.

Reinhart I see a similar path, he's going to work on his weaknesses, and slowly work his way into being a steady, hard, NHL d-man. To laugh at this trade 30 games in and when he's in the minors developing is just wrong

People here still haven't learned the essence of giving players time (ala Hall last year, Anders this year, and Nuge in the near future). Developing a d-man with Reinhart's potential takes ALOT of time. Just ask Duncan Keith or Brandon Davidson

Chia got us Anders (speaks for itself now) , Korpi (who has been a catalyst on his line, especially lately), Letestu (on a nightly basis pwning the face-off dot against the best in the league), de-captainized Ference, and sent steady NHL pro's down to the minors holding them accountable for their play.

I'll trust his judgment on Griffin in the long run, and the naysayers just as we see now, will admit how wrong they were and then move on as if their **** don't stink.

Excellent post. I've been pleased with Chiarelli so far.

 

[Up the Irons]

Define "elite".

able to dominate shifts, regardless of competition; not just survive.

able to generate offensive almost every shift.

carries a line, regardless of linemates.

scores over 25 goals and 35 assist most seasons.

and above all, doesn't need excuses to explain away shortcomings. Just simply proves it on the ice.

 

[Young Lions*]

able to dominate shifts, regardless of competition; not just survive.

able to generate offensive almost every shift.

carries a line, regardless of linemates.

scores over 25 goals and 35 assist most seasons.

and above all, doesn't need excuses to explain away shortcomings. Just simply proves it on the ice.

So if you carefully define elite to specifically exclude RNH, you'll find RNH is not elite. Gotcha.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

he's also had a 25 goal season and he has never been anointed the 1C, with the ice time a and PP time that comes with it.

RNH is on the 1st PP play unit. How many PP points has he got?

Look, I like the kid. He is just not as good as you guys think he is, thus far, anyways. If you want to call him and use him for what he is, a Shaun Horcoff-type, then this argument will dissipate.

He is what he is. A solid, useful, NHL 2C, a great 3C, and can play 1C in a pinch. that is actually a pretty valuable player. Just not elite. he is no Eric Stahl or John Tavares. that's elite.

Eric Staal is an elite center? You do realize that Staal has less points then RNH this season? And guess who scored more last season?

Lets stop with these silly comparisons. RNH has produced like a higher end 2C 5v5 and like a very good 1C on the PP since he stepped into the league, while facing the toughest competition in the western conference. 55 points a season these days is good for top 60 in NHL scoring among forwards. It's nothing to sneeze at.

RNH is a very good player, and he has a strong resume at 22. The hate that he's getting right now is beyond dumb.

 

[McShogun99]

There's 29 other teams that would love to have RNH as one of their centers. I love how some people want to get rid of a 23 year old, 0.7 PPG center that has played against other teams top lines since he has 18. Right now RNH is probably the 3rd most valuable player on the club.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Oil need to try 4/93/29 long term when everyone is healthy, that should help out his point totals, at least. Crazy the team finally has 3 amazing centers and fans are trying to run one out already.

I don't think anyone is trying to run RNH out of town, there is just a portion of the fanbase that sees that he is expendable based on the fact that McJesus and Drai are likely the best fits as the 1-2 punch down the middle for the next 15 years hopefully. Sure it'd be nice to keep him if he can find the level of offense he's had in years past, but to me he looks like a guy who needs a change of scenery in the worst way.

 

[Up the Irons]

Eric Staal is an elite center? You do realize that Staal has less points then RNH this season? And guess who scored more last season?

Lets stop with these silly comparisons. RNH has produced like a higher end 2C 5v5 and like a very good 1C on the PP since he stepped into the league, while facing the toughest competition in the western conference. 55 points a season these days is good for top 60 in NHL scoring among forwards. It's nothing to sneeze at.

RNH is a very good player, and he has a strong resume at 22. The hate that he's getting right now is beyond dumb.

now. take a look at what Staal did when he was 22. Only lead a team to the SC championship.

let's just go with you guys are right and I'm wrong. how's that sound?


RNH is an elite #1C. Right up there with Getlaf, Tavares, Seguin, Sedin, Thornton.
it's easier that way. And he's untouchable, and even contemplating trading him is tantamount to destroying the rebuild.

cheers. Go Oilers Go!!!!

 

[Bangers]

Eric Staal is an elite center? You do realize that Staal has less points then RNH this season? And guess who scored more last season?

Lets stop with these silly comparisons. RNH has produced like a higher end 2C 5v5 and like a very good 1C on the PP since he stepped into the league, while facing the toughest competition in the western conference. 55 points a season these days is good for top 60 in NHL scoring among forwards. It's nothing to sneeze at.

RNH is a very good player, and he has a strong resume at 22. The hate that he's getting right now is beyond dumb.

I agree (and I like RNH and do not want the team to trade him), but he is not playing well right now. I think something is off with him (injury, illness, ...), but let's also not pretend he has been playing well lately.

 

[backhandsauce]

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 1m1 minute ago
Jared stoll and Anton khudoben on waivers

Jared Staal or Jarret Stoll lol.