Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Will Chia get us an Xmas gift?

[Jet Walters]

If Oilers are making a deal with NYI for Hamonic, I hope we toss in an extra second and go for MDC. He has some upside but he is falling around and fats. Just cut for Can WJC team and a very bad OHL year. However he has a style that could work well on a 3 line scoring team

You think a 2nd round pick is going to get a team to deal a guy they used a top 5 pick on less than 18 months ago?

 

[TheRebuild]

Nuge isn't going anywhere, people have got to stop throwing him into trades. No GM in their right mind trades a top 6 center with remaining contract in place unless the player in question forces the trade (Kesler comes to mind). The only time I can ever remember it happening was Joe Thornton, and that trade was a massive fail for Boston.

 

[oilz89*]

If Oilers are making a deal with NYI for Hamonic, I hope we toss in an extra second and go for MDC. He has some upside but he is falling around and fats. Just cut for Can WJC team and a very bad OHL year. However he has a style that could work well on a 3 line scoring team

WHAT?!?!?! They cut MDC?? That team is gonna be terrible offensively. Who do they even have?!?!

They also cut Chychrun

 

[Blitzago*]

WHAT?!?!?! They cut MDC?? That team is gonna be terrible offensively. Who do they even have?!?!

They also cut Chychrun

MDC has been brutal this year, and Chychrun will be on the team next year unless he's in the NHL.

 

[Aceboogie]

You think a 2nd round pick is going to get a team to deal a guy they used a top 5 pick on less than 18 months ago?

Presumably we offer a bit more for Hamonic and then the 2nd for MDC is in our favour but evens the deal out

Consider that fluttering in the CHL. Reinhart was a top 5 pick and excelled in the CHL (mem cup champ, #1 D on best CHL team) and his value dropped due to one struggling AHL year

Struggling in the CHL is far worse than doing it in AHL. If he goes to the AHL and fails, id say hed be lucky to get a 2nd

 

[Tarus]

Nuge isn't going anywhere, people have got to stop throwing him into trades. No GM in their right mind trades a top 6 center with remaining contract in place unless the player in question forces the trade (Kesler comes to mind). The only time I can ever remember it happening was Joe Thornton, and that trade was a massive fail for Boston.

Sutter, Jokinen(many times), Richards, Carter, Kesler, Ansimov, Dubinsky, Brassard, Ryan O'Riely, Jordan Staal etc etc. The second and third tier centers move all the time

It's the superstars and franchise players(like a 100+ point Joe Thornton as per your example) that never move. RNH doesn't qualify as either.

 

[Aceboogie]

WHAT?!?!?! They cut MDC?? That team is gonna be terrible offensively. Who do they even have?!?!

They also cut Chychrun

Hes got 23 point in 27 OHL games and is 67th in league scoring despite being in his 2nd year in OHL post draft AND being a PWF. Overage PWF should be lighting a league of 16 and 17 year old boys up. For instance Moroz put up 63 points and 35 goals as an overager. MDC is on pace for 18 goals

Not syaing Moroz is better, but MDC has been a major dissappointment

 

[oilz89*]

Hes got 23 point in 27 OHL games and is 67th in league scoring despite being in his 2nd year in OHL post draft AND being a PWF. Overage PWF should be lighting a league of 16 and 17 year old boys up. For instance Moroz put up 63 points and 35 goals as an overager. MDC is on pace for 18 goals

Not syaing Moroz is better, but MDC has been a major dissappointment

Still, PWF take a while to develop. Not saying he's not having a horrendous year, but I still think this is a mistake by them.

 

[Aceboogie]

Still, PWF take a while to develop. Not saying he's not having a horrendous year, but I still think this is a mistake by them.

In the AHL and pro hockey. Nearly every PWF in the NHL tore the CHL apart (Benn - 46 goals, Perry 40 goals). Hell even guys like Matt Belesky scored 41 goals in junior

When you are a PWF in junior you can dominate even not being all that skilled. He can will your way to the net and no 16 year old 160 pound D can stop you. When they hit AHL then they hit a road block because those guys can stop them, so they have to change their game

Not sure if youll be able to find to many comparables (under 20 goals as a PWF sniper) who went on to make the NHL in any special capacity

Id go after him for a discount in the hopes NYI is trying to get max value from him. I wouldnt offer any current player or a first. Maybe Schultz at max

 

[Samus44]

Sutter, Jokinen(many times), Richards, Carter, Kesler, Ansimov, Dubinsky, Brassard, Ryan O'Riely, Jordan Staal etc etc. The second and third tier centers move all the time

It's the superstars and franchise players(like a 100+ point Joe Thornton as per your example) that never move. RNH doesn't qualify as either.

Sutter was considered a clear 3rd line center when he was dealt to the Canucks and when he was dealt to the Pens it was because Staal wasn't going to resign, or in other words forced a trade. Also nowhere near Hopkins in ability.

Jokinen was considered a problem child that didn't use his teammates, but he's not a bad example. However in hindsight Florida lost that deal.

Richards was on the down swing and Philly made an astute move to move him, and plus there were the rumours about his lifestyle that seem to have been true knowing what we know now.

Carter was a huge mistake and i'm sure they still regret it.

Kesler forced a trade.

Anisimov was their 3rd line center or playing wing at the time, no where near comparable to Hopkins. He was also traded for a much better player.

Dubinsky like Anisimov was traded for a much better player.

Brassard was being healthy scratched and considered a near bust. Columbus felt they were upgrading by getting Anisimov-Dubinsky.

O'Reilly forced a trade by essentially making it obvious he wouldn't resign.

Staal as i said above wasn't going to resign.

Most of the deals you stated were for players who at the time were no where near Hopkins in ability, had personal issues, were traded for an upgrade, forced a deal or were going UFA, or were regrettable deals in hindsight. So in summary the poster you quoted was correct.

 

[Samus44]

WHAT?!?!?! They cut MDC?? That team is gonna be terrible offensively. Who do they even have?!?!

They also cut Chychrun

The last draft eligible player to make the team at defense was Ellis iirc, and he was used as a PP specialist. This shouldn't be surprising.

 

[EpSoNiight]

The last draft eligible player to make the team at defense was Ellis iirc, and he was used as a PP specialist. This shouldn't be surprising.

Ekblad.

 

[Samus44]

Ekblad.

Good catch, the man child was also drafted to the OHL with exceptional player status. Chychurn i feel confident in saying is no Ekblad.

 

[McHaNugYakEbNurDra]

I can't think of a single trade that I have read (either on these threads, or on the trade forums) that I think is both a good trade for the Oilers, and a trade that the other team has a reasonable chance of making. I was and am in favour of trading the 1st round pick this year, as i think it has maximum value now....as long as we get 'reasonable' return for it (and I recongnize that defining what is reasonable is reason enough why it is unlikely to happen).

If nothing better comes along though, I fine with riding this lineup through the trade deadline (looking forward to players coming back from injury though).

I predict the summer of 2016 will be more interesting than the summer of 2015 though, both as Chiarelli will have had a full season to assess what we have (and what we need) and more salary cap to work with. I think it's an exciting time to be an Oiler fan (though I have thought and said that before ).

 

[Aceboogie]

Good trades Ive seen both sides being ok with:

Klein + Kreider for Eberle

RNH for Jones

Eberle for Severson

Eberle + Fayne for Hamonic (jk jkNYI fans had a fit with this one)

 

[Tarus]

Sutter was considered a clear 3rd line center when he was dealt to the Canucks and when he was dealt to the Pens it was because Staal wasn't going to resign, or in other words forced a trade. Also nowhere near Hopkins in ability.

Jokinen was considered a problem child that didn't use his teammates, but he's not a bad example. However in hindsight Florida lost that deal.

Richards was on the down swing and Philly made an astute move to move him, and plus there were the rumours about his lifestyle that seem to have been true knowing what we know now.

Carter was a huge mistake and i'm sure they still regret it.

Kesler forced a trade.

Anisimov was their 3rd line center or playing wing at the time, no where near comparable to Hopkins. He was also traded for a much better player.

Dubinsky like Anisimov was traded for a much better player.

Brassard was being healthy scratched and considered a near bust. Columbus felt they were upgrading by getting Anisimov-Dubinsky.

O'Reilly forced a trade by essentially making it obvious he wouldn't resign.

Staal as i said above wasn't going to resign.

Most of the deals you stated were for players who at the time were no where near Hopkins in ability, had personal issues, were traded for an upgrade, forced a deal or were going UFA, or were regrettable deals in hindsight. So in summary the poster you quoted was correct.

I wasn't comparing their situations or the players, I was pointing out that top 6 centers(and players with that potential) that don't qualify for franchise/superstar status get moved in the league on a regular basis. There are always reasons for those moves, which encompasses everything from contracts to forced trades, and anything else you might care to list.

RNH is no different in that respect, he comes with his own unique situation where he's on the fast track to getting bumped down to a 3rd line center with a 6 million dollar contract, on a team that happens to be desperate for reinforcements on defense.

 

[Wheathead]

I fail to see why Nashville would even consider trading Jones to Edmonton for RNH.

They'd be better off dealing Weber than Jones. RNH isn't even that effective of a centre in the western conference.

 

[Samus44]

I wasn't comparing their situations or the players, I was pointing out that top 6 centers(and players with that potential) that don't qualify for franchise/superstar status get moved in the league on a regular basis. There are always reasons for those moves, which encompasses everything from contracts to forced trades, and anything else you might care to list.

RNH is no different in that respect, he comes with his own unique situation where he's on the fast track to getting bumped down to a 3rd line center with a 6 million dollar contract, on a team that happens to be desperate for reinforcements on defense.

The comment you responded to:

"No GM in their right mind trades a top 6 center with remaining contract in place unless the player in question forces the trade (Kesler comes to mind)."

Basically what i'm saying is the deals you listed are for players nowhere close to Hopkins, look at what they were doing at 22 for example, or were as he said players who forced a trade.

 

[Slatsmsg]

I fail to see why Nashville would even consider trading Jones to Edmonton for RNH.

They'd be better off dealing Weber than Jones. RNH isn't even that effective of a centre in the western conference.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if RNH is playing hurt. With McDavid out we hardly have the luxury of resting someone who is still 75-80%. When McDavid gets back it wouldn't surprise me at all to see RNH out for a week or two to heal up.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I fail to see why Nashville would even consider trading Jones to Edmonton for RNH.

They'd be better off dealing Weber than Jones. RNH isn't even that effective of a centre in the western conference.

I agree that NSH would be better off dealing Weber.

Just as we'd be better off not piling our assets for Jones right now.

I don't like the RNH for Jones thing at all for either side. NSH needs a goal scorer, EDM needs a proven top pairing commodity.

 

[Aceboogie]

I fail to see why Nashville would even consider trading Jones to Edmonton for RNH.

They'd be better off dealing Weber than Jones. RNH isn't even that effective of a centre in the western conference.

Because if you want a #1 center youll have to pay. People seem to forget RNH is still only 22 years old. And despite a recent rough patch has succeeded in the Pacific (when it was a beast division) as a 20 and 21 year old, hell even as a 19 year old

Jones, for all the hype hes gotten. is massively sheltered behind Weber and hasnt really broken out yet. he still has risk attached

Weber is great and all but the dude is 30 years old and a monster deal. I think some GMs are going to be trigger shy to make a deal for him if its a big one

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

question the first;

hamonic for chycrun?

Personally, I'd be all over adding Chycrun. But is there anyone who wants to take the argument that an established young top 4 defender like Hamonic is more valuable to the team since he can step in right away?

 

[Aceboogie]

I agree that NSH would be better off dealing Weber.

Just as we'd be better off not piling our assets for Jones right now.

I don't like the RNH for Jones thing at all for either side. NSH needs a goal scorer, EDM needs a proven top pairing commodity.

Not to many #1 scoring centers available. Im sure they still want a 2 way guy as well. Only ones I could think of are Kadri and RNH. They could also make a run at Stammer

 

[Paralyzer008]

Not to many #1 scoring centers available. Im sure they still want a 2 way guy as well. Only ones I could think of are Kadri and RNH. They could also make a run at Stammer

Johansen has scored 30 in this league. Would make sense to see him and Jones in a move.

 

[Raoul Duke]

He had a poor previous season, preseason and started very poorly this season. Luckily for Oilers fans he then got on track and has been great since.

Hall's start was fine. He didn't immediately gel with McDavid and had one bad game, while sick. Other than that he started well with RNH and then found a whole new level with Drai.
The slow start was a fictitious narrative created by those with anti Hall leanings, based on body language and such. Much like the talk that he didn't mesh with our other top 6 players, poor leadership, giveaways etc.
He's playing a solid 2 way game now and has silenced the critics for now.
They'll be back the minute he falters.