Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread XXV: Season over. Still waiting to begin...

[McPuritania]

It's probably because Nucks fans see Gagner a lot more than T.O fans
You would think that Gardiner is Bobby Orr based on what the leafs fans have been saying on the main board. 7th + Petry for Gardiner? The guy was in the AHL for a good portion of the season

Yeah, it's amazing what watching a player can do to help make a person informed. Gardiner is the most overrated player on HF, but apparently that title goes to Gagner according to one guy who is forcing that in every thread. The same Gagner that the entirety of HF hates.

Evidently Kadri is better than RNH. **** me.

So is Gardiner apparently. Some Leaf fans wouldn't trade him for weak, little, busted, RNH. Nuge's injuries are a huge concern, while Gardiner's are shockingly not a concern at all.

Saw one post with Eberle and RNH on the Leafs third line and Yan Stastny as their second line centre.

I think deluded is the best description.

It's just mind boggling.

 

[CanadianSuperPromise]

The official mantra of HFLeafs:



"AINEC"

 

[McQuixote]

I imagine being a big name player in Canada is a huge thrill when you're in your early 20s and you never have to pay for a drink and puck bunnies throw themselves after you and bouncers kick the crap out of a$$hats at the bar and you get to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store and everybody gives you a pass because you're young and developing and on your 1st or 2nd contract for modest cash.

I imagine it probably starts to wear on you when you're 30 and your team hasn't won a Cup and you get called a bum and a suck and some people get red-in-the-face angry about your salary and rumors spread about you all the time and you have to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store.

Most people are probably pretty polite to every player they see, but how many jerks does it take to ruin your day? Some fans get so worked up about things. They jump to conclusions with a snippet of information. They run with out-of-context soundbites and use them to vilify a player as a human being.

Think about the way a person like Kevin Lowe or Shawn Horcoff or Ethan Moreau are talked about and treated on these boards. Even assuming that 90 or 95% of the people here are just Internet *******s instead of Real *******s, that still leaves a lot of people when applied to the Actual Fan Population. Even if 1 in 100 are the sort of guy who'll call you a bum in the street or some other awkward frustrating interaction, how many people does that leave in this city where you have to live and your wife has to shop and your kids have to go to school?


Look even here - some guy on some website says "Lecavalier doesn't want to play in Canada." And with that tiny little snippet of information, unverified, we start to hear: Lazy a$$. Disgrace. Ban him from the Olympics!! **** You Vinny!

Yeah, some fans in LA and Florida will react the same way. But here, players have to do more than hear it, they have to live it. And while fan interactions are almost certainly generally positive... how many interactions with fans who think they know everything about you and feel free to judge, insult or actively dislike would you have to have before your mood is ruined? How many before you'd grow to prefer the relative anonymity of playing in St. Louis or Anaheim?

 

[McPuritania]

The official mantra of HFLeafs:



"AINEC"

Ain't that the truth.

 

[Pablo Aimar]

I imagine being a big name player in Canada is a huge thrill when you're in your early 20s and you never have to pay for a drink and puck bunnies throw themselves after you and bouncers kick the crap out of a$$hats at the bar and you get to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store and everybody gives you a pass because you're young and developing and on your 1st or 2nd contract for modest cash.

I imagine it probably starts to wear on you when you're 30 and your team hasn't won a Cup and you get called a bum and a suck and some people get red-in-the-face angry about your salary and rumors spread about you all the time and you have to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store.

Most people are probably pretty polite to every player they see, but how many jerks does it take to ruin your day? Some fans get so worked up about things. They jump to conclusions with a snippet of information. They run with out-of-context soundbites and use them to vilify a player as a human being.

Think about the way a person like Kevin Lowe or Shawn Horcoff or Ethan Moreau are talked about and treated on these boards. Even assuming that 90 or 95% of the people here are just Internet *******s instead of Real *******s, that still leaves a lot of people when applied to the Actual Fan Population. Even if 1 in 100 are the sort of guy who'll call you a bum in the street or some other awkward frustrating interaction, how many people does that leave in this city where you have to live and your wife has to shop and your kids have to go to school?


Look even here - some guy on some website says "Lecavalier doesn't want to play in Canada." And with that tiny little snippet of information, unverified, we start to hear: Lazy a$$. Disgrace. Ban him from the Olympics!! **** You Vinny!

Yeah, some fans in LA and Florida will react the same way. But here, players have to do more than hear it, they have to live it. And while fan interactions are almost certainly generally positive... how many interactions with fans who think they know everything about you and feel free to judge, insult or actively dislike would you have to have before your mood is ruined? How many before you'd grow to prefer the relative anonymity of playing in St. Louis or Anaheim?

Well said.

 

[Mr Forever]

I imagine being a big name player in Canada is a huge thrill when you're in your early 20s and you never have to pay for a drink and puck bunnies throw themselves after you and bouncers kick the crap out of a$$hats at the bar and you get to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store and everybody gives you a pass because you're young and developing and on your 1st or 2nd contract for modest cash.

I imagine it probably starts to wear on you when you're 30 and your team hasn't won a Cup and you get called a bum and a suck and some people get red-in-the-face angry about your salary and rumors spread about you all the time and you have to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store.

Most people are probably pretty polite to every player they see, but how many jerks does it take to ruin your day? Some fans get so worked up about things. They jump to conclusions with a snippet of information. They run with out-of-context soundbites and use them to vilify a player as a human being.

Think about the way a person like Kevin Lowe or Shawn Horcoff or Ethan Moreau are talked about and treated on these boards. Even assuming that 90 or 95% of the people here are just Internet *******s instead of Real *******s, that still leaves a lot of people when applied to the Actual Fan Population. Even if 1 in 100 are the sort of guy who'll call you a bum in the street or some other awkward frustrating interaction, how many people does that leave in this city where you have to live and your wife has to shop and your kids have to go to school?


Look even here - some guy on some website says "Lecavalier doesn't want to play in Canada." And with that tiny little snippet of information, unverified, we start to hear: Lazy a$$. Disgrace. Ban him from the Olympics!! **** You Vinny!

Yeah, some fans in LA and Florida will react the same way. But here, players have to do more than hear it, they have to live it. And while fan interactions are almost certainly generally positive... how many interactions with fans who think they know everything about you and feel free to judge, insult or actively dislike would you have to have before your mood is ruined? How many before you'd grow to prefer the relative anonymity of playing in St. Louis or Anaheim?

Fantastic post.

 

[oilinblood]

Why haven't Horcoff and Smyth been bought out yet???? What happened to the trades to be announced after cup finals? Have I missed something?????

yeah keep track of the media that lie to you and dont listen/read them anymore. I stopped giving any attention to Stauffer. Hes a ******* liar.

all you have to do is tell us the truth...NEWS. if you are wrong... you arent a source for news. period.

 

[Bangers]

Just my own conjecture, but I think MacT might have a few deals on the table that are conditional on what happens at the draft (eg. if TB takes Nichuskin). If he's trading the pick, it would make far more sense to wait until the draft and see how it plays out.

 

[Senor Catface]

I imagine being a big name player in Canada is a huge thrill when you're in your early 20s and you never have to pay for a drink and puck bunnies throw themselves after you and bouncers kick the crap out of a$$hats at the bar and you get to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store and everybody gives you a pass because you're young and developing and on your 1st or 2nd contract for modest cash.

I imagine it probably starts to wear on you when you're 30 and your team hasn't won a Cup and you get called a bum and a suck and some people get red-in-the-face angry about your salary and rumors spread about you all the time and you have to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store.

Most people are probably pretty polite to every player they see, but how many jerks does it take to ruin your day? Some fans get so worked up about things. They jump to conclusions with a snippet of information. They run with out-of-context soundbites and use them to vilify a player as a human being.

Think about the way a person like Kevin Lowe or Shawn Horcoff or Ethan Moreau are talked about and treated on these boards. Even assuming that 90 or 95% of the people here are just Internet *******s instead of Real *******s, that still leaves a lot of people when applied to the Actual Fan Population. Even if 1 in 100 are the sort of guy who'll call you a bum in the street or some other awkward frustrating interaction, how many people does that leave in this city where you have to live and your wife has to shop and your kids have to go to school?


Look even here - some guy on some website says "Lecavalier doesn't want to play in Canada." And with that tiny little snippet of information, unverified, we start to hear: Lazy a$$. Disgrace. Ban him from the Olympics!! **** You Vinny!

Yeah, some fans in LA and Florida will react the same way. But here, players have to do more than hear it, they have to live it. And while fan interactions are almost certainly generally positive... how many interactions with fans who think they know everything about you and feel free to judge, insult or actively dislike would you have to have before your mood is ruined? How many before you'd grow to prefer the relative anonymity of playing in St. Louis or Anaheim?

My friends were outside a bar when some of the younger Oilers (Gagner, Cogs, and others) were walking into the bar without waiting in line. The people in line were chanting "Losers" as they went in. Talk about really embarrassing...

 

[aleshemsky83]

My friends were outside a bar when some of the younger Oilers (Gagner, Cogs, and others) were walking into the bar without waiting in line. The people in line were chanting "Losers" as they went in. Talk about really embarrassing...

Haha you're friends sound like some gems haha

 

[Senor Catface]

Haha you're friends sound like some gems haha

Oh no, they were just smoking, watching this happen. They weren't involved.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

I imagine being a big name player in Canada is a huge thrill when you're in your early 20s and you never have to pay for a drink and puck bunnies throw themselves after you and bouncers kick the crap out of a$$hats at the bar and you get to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store and everybody gives you a pass because you're young and developing and on your 1st or 2nd contract for modest cash.

I imagine it probably starts to wear on you when you're 30 and your team hasn't won a Cup and you get called a bum and a suck and some people get red-in-the-face angry about your salary and rumors spread about you all the time and you have to sign a dozen autographs every time you go to the grocery store.

Most people are probably pretty polite to every player they see, but how many jerks does it take to ruin your day? Some fans get so worked up about things. They jump to conclusions with a snippet of information. They run with out-of-context soundbites and use them to vilify a player as a human being.

Think about the way a person like Kevin Lowe or Shawn Horcoff or Ethan Moreau are talked about and treated on these boards. Even assuming that 90 or 95% of the people here are just Internet *******s instead of Real *******s, that still leaves a lot of people when applied to the Actual Fan Population. Even if 1 in 100 are the sort of guy who'll call you a bum in the street or some other awkward frustrating interaction, how many people does that leave in this city where you have to live and your wife has to shop and your kids have to go to school?


Look even here - some guy on some website says "Lecavalier doesn't want to play in Canada." And with that tiny little snippet of information, unverified, we start to hear: Lazy a$$. Disgrace. Ban him from the Olympics!! **** You Vinny!

Yeah, some fans in LA and Florida will react the same way. But here, players have to do more than hear it, they have to live it. And while fan interactions are almost certainly generally positive... how many interactions with fans who think they know everything about you and feel free to judge, insult or actively dislike would you have to have before your mood is ruined? How many before you'd grow to prefer the relative anonymity of playing in St. Louis or Anaheim?

You just became my favorite poster with this amazing post. The sense of entitlement is downright sickening and the extent of the vitriol spewed over someones choice to choose where to live and where to play is getting to the point of monstrous. These are human beings playing a game for your entertainment, they don't deserve that treatment.

 

[CanadianSuperPromise]

You just became my favorite poster with this amazing post. The sense of entitlement is downright sickening and the extent of the vitriol spewed over someones choice to choose where to live and where to play is getting to the point of monstrous. These are human beings playing a game for your entertainment, they don't deserve that treatment.

I agree but I think the millions of dollars soften the blow.

 

[PeakMcOil]

Some Oilers posters were making ***** of themselves in that thread too. Gardiner is clearly an NHL caliber d-man, saying hes an AHLer does nothing to further the thread.

I read through the whole thread and all it did was add a huge amount of people to my already gigantic ignore list (why doesn't everyone do this, then I wouldn't have to see everyone quoting these people). Seriously people, don't feed the trolls. I actually wish the mods had a lot more power to ban both idiotic and trolling posters from these boards. The idiots basically ruin the boards for the sane, rational posters as they have to wade through miles of garbage to read anything with any sense to it.

On topic, I'd certainly be willing to package the 7th with a Gagner, Petry, Hemsky etc or any prospect not named Marincin or Klefbom to get someone who can contribute right now. I think the value is close, particularly if it's a 7th, Gagner, Petry package for example (that should return 98% of players in the league).

I brought a couple of trades up in earlier versions of this thread, what do you think?

Schenn brothers for Gagner and 7th.

Johansen, Umberger and Tyutin for 7th, Hemsky and Gagner.

 

[oilpen]

Some Oilers posters were making ***** of themselves in that thread too. Gardiner is clearly an NHL caliber d-man, saying hes an AHLer does nothing to further the thread.

I read through the whole thread and all it did was add a huge amount of people to my already gigantic ignore list (why doesn't everyone do this, then I wouldn't have to see everyone quoting these people). Seriously people, don't feed the trolls. I actually wish the mods had a lot more power to ban both idiotic and trolling posters from these boards. The idiots basically ruin the boards for the sane, rational posters as they have to wade through miles of garbage to read anything with any sense to it.

On topic, I'd certainly be willing to package the 7th with a Gagner, Petry, Hemsky etc or any prospect not named Marincin or Klefbom to get someone who can contribute right now. I think the value is close, particularly if it's a 7th, Gagner, Petry package for example (that should return 98% of players in the league).

I brought a couple of trades up in earlier versions of this thread, what do you think?

Schenn brothers for Gagner and 7th.

Johansen, Umberger and Tyutin for 7th, Hemsky and Gagner.

I like this idea.

 

[duul]

I like this idea.

Why? Luke Schenn is a RH defenceman and really not that good. Braydon Schenn is a pretty valuable player but he certainly doesn't make up the difference between Luke and the 7th overall, let alone if he's more valuable than Gagner. They are what, one or two years apart (Sam and Braydon)?

 

[Valic]

Why? Luke Schenn is a RH defenceman and really not that good. Braydon Schenn is a pretty valuable player but he certainly doesn't make up the difference between Luke and the 7th overall, let alone if he's more valuable than Gagner. They are what, one or two years apart (Sam and Braydon)?

Three 2010 and 2007

 

[OILSLICK94]

Brad May is reporting that Lecavalier doesn't want to sign anywhere in Canada.

Call me petty but I'd seriously ban guys like this from representing Canada at international events. For life. Seriously. The guy's options are probably limited with the salary that he wants (reportedly 5 million per) and he rules out 7 options?

EDIT: It's not likely that Vinnie will get an invite for the Olympics ever again anyway.

Are we surprised? this guy never liked pressure, loved being sheltered his whole career in sunny FLA.

I see him signing with the Red Wings, 4.5-5mil per, for 5 years

 

[duul]

I'm not sure why people get so worked up over a players decision to stay out of the limelight. These people have families and probably prefer to keep them away from the media as much as possible. There's nothing wrong with wanting to live a quiet, enjoyable life with your family while playing the game you love.

Some people really need to understand that hockey players are just human like you and I, some of them absolutely hate talking to media and just want to play the game.

This talk about wanting to ban them from international conversation is an embarrassment, get a grip on reality fellas.

 

[joestevens29]

Gregor and Brownlee brought up good points with Bolland - he is always hurt. Every season.

For that reason and his cap hit I'd look for better options

Yet these guys blow up when people questioned giving the streaky Clarkson the money he wants.

It's my understanding that we can retain salary and not cap hit but I might have that wrong. Either way we could just structure the deal so that it goes down to 2M for the last 2 years. Something like 10M(5M signing bonus), 7M(3M signing bonus), 4, 2, 2.

Pretty sure you retain salary and cap hit.

 

[oilpen]

Why? Luke Schenn is a RH defenceman and really not that good. Braydon Schenn is a pretty valuable player but he certainly doesn't make up the difference between Luke and the 7th overall, let alone if he's more valuable than Gagner. They are what, one or two years apart (Sam and Braydon)?

L Schenn looked pretty good down the stretch. I think he will end up being an elite shutdown D in this league. Toronto was bad for his development imo.

I thought they were three years apart but maybe two.

 

[Wheathead]

I think that players who have played in Canada don't have a problem with the attention and stuff once they get used to it. It just becomes part of the experience. Whereas if you played in a place like Phoenix and made the trek to Montreal or Toronto, you might be uncomfortable with the notion of being in the spotlight more often.

But you know, it's the same as any other high profile job.

Oh, and I'm not offended by Lecavlier not wanting to play in Canada because he wouldn't sign here even if we were a legitimate option. Sunny beaches your whole career to the Alberta winters? Not happening.

 

[joestevens29]

People on twitter saying Bob McKenzie on NHL Network said that Gagner wants an NTC and he may get moved if a deal can't get done.

He wants one give him one where he picks 6 teams he won't go to.

Gagner really wants to be here, so I'm not shocked he's asking for it.

 

[OILSLICK94]

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug

Sources confirm Keith Acton will be named associate coach in Edmonton.

 

[Hoogaar23]

I'm all for trading the 7th as part of a package for immediate help.

This is the kind of trade we should be modelling:

Jordan Staal

for

Brandon Sutter
8th Overall
Dumoulin

Similar package IMO, give or take:

MPS
7th Overall
Marincin

If that package can net you an NHL roster player along the value of Jordan Staal, I think you make that trade all day.

So who's this year's Jordan Staal?

I wonder if that package could get us one of the Joes? Pavelski or Thornton?

Defenseman route could maybe get us Marc Staal + Pick from NYR? Does that package net you Yandle or Edler? I could be dreaming, but I think all those players I've mentioned can be categorized close to, if not in, the Jordan Staal region of value.

I read a blurb from a Boston writer about Seguin maybe being available (form the team that traded an in his prime JT and 21 year old 36 goal scorer Kessel).

I doubt he is - but IF he was, would something like 7th+Paajarvi+Marincin be close? I'm guessing Bruins fans would say not even close, but then again I never though Sturm+Stuart+Primeau was anywhere close to value for JT, and Thornton had already put up over 100 points when he was traded.

2 GMs that aren't afraid of big deals: Chiarelli and Holmgren.