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[ivanthebad*]

yes. this all day, every day.

With each argue what that is but again IMO, Datsyuk, it was him not seeing the ice till he was like22? and came into a very tight defensive system.

Chicago much like the near future Oilers, I will attribute his game to Marion Hossa. Probably the most valuable piece to Chicago in their transition years

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

big picture buddy.

you have the puck. a centre is the third dman and most of a transition goes through the centre.

in my opinion...a top six of
Poo RNH Eberle
Hall JOE McDavid
gets you close to forty minutes of possession a game.

a centre like JOE helps your green D alot more than a centre lineup of RNH, MCDAVID, LANDER, GORDON. do you see?
not only that but none of your forwards have done anything of note. nothing. what are you going to lean on? where is your Hossa? Where is your sharp? who is showing the way? Ference?
Who increases the value of wingers you want to shop...to get dmen in trade? will RNH increase a wingers values? Will his presence shelter McDavid? who shelters RNH himself? Drais? top talents ready to be wasted? or are they top talents ready to be nurtured?


if you dont make a move like this...than MacT was exactly right...next year is a development year. IF you get JOE...next year you are aiming at being in the thick of it...and making trades during the year to get in the heat.

this is long term.

Except if we don't improve our dcore we dont get better. We could have a forward core of

Hall - Crosby - Simmonds
Lucic - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Thornton - Shaw

and still miss the playoffs cause our d and goalie are awful

 

[ivanthebad*]

big picture buddy.

you have the puck. a centre is the third dman and most of a transition goes through the centre.

in my opinion...a top six of
Poo RNH Eberle
Hall JOE McDavid
gets you close to forty minutes of possession a game.

a centre like JOE helps your green D alot more than a centre lineup of RNH, MCDAVID, LANDER, GORDON. do you see?
not only that but none of your forwards have done anything of note. nothing. what are you going to lean on? where is your Hossa? Where is your sharp? who is showing the way? Ference?
Who increases the value of wingers you want to shop...to get dmen in trade? will RNH increase a wingers values? Will his presence shelter McDavid? who shelters RNH himself? Drais? top talents ready to be wasted? or are they top talents ready to be nurtured?


if you dont make a move like this...than MacT was exactly right...next year is a development year. IF you get JOE...next year you are aiming at being in the thick of it...and making trades during the year to get in the heat.

this is long term.

This, this and this. But if realistacally not able to get a Thornton type C, then a top 6 possession player and defensive player is a must. The only notion of 2 dmen on here is thin. Defense comes from offense, and if one had the time or means perhaps compiling some footage of all the slot attempts the Oilers gave up would be of value. Then the nargument of breaking up the cycle! Klefbom accelled at that. It was not the be all end all. We won more games when Poo was inserted to eat more minutes, and we won more games when a waiver wire vet like Roy was picked up but he was terrible at possession 3's and defence. A forward who is a puck eater and defensive specialist is just as importantb as any dman you want

 

[oilinblood]

Except if we don't improve our dcore we dont get better. We could have a forward core of

Hall - Crosby - Simmonds
Lucic - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Thornton - Shaw

and still miss the playoffs cause our d and goalie are awful

youd make the playoffs...you would just choke like all teams without top d men do.
you have nurse and klef...you need support for them. you dont need thetop dmen...you need the strong partners and one positional partner is at pivot. that is why he is pivot.

everything goes through him.

your assets are less valuable without JT than with JT.

i dont mind giving Franson a pay day. our left will be cheap for a while. schultz is likely the piece thatwuld go, Nikitin will be done after this year. Ference i think will be better in that bottom spot, klef can play right.

i think you dont need to change that much RIGHT AWAY. JT will increase some expendable players values so you can send them away during the year.

its a full game impact through one acquisition.

It is THE BOLD move that changes everything.

 

[ivanthebad*]

Except if we don't improve our dcore we dont get better. We could have a forward core of

Hall - Crosby - Simmonds
Lucic - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Thornton - Shaw

and still miss the playoffs cause our d and goalie are awful

Flyers made the playoffs 2 years ago with a decimated dcore and junior call ups, infact, they did it in a come from behind fashion. Pit did it this year. Unless you are suggesting that both teams had a plethora of d depth in the minors also

 

[ivanthebad*]

Except if we don't improve our dcore we dont get better. We could have a forward core of

Hall - Crosby - Simmonds
Lucic - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Thornton - Shaw

and still miss the playoffs cause our d and goalie are awful

Game 5 the main person that stood out in Chi was Sharp. Sure he got the first goal but I can point to atleast 5 defensive plays he made that were nothing shy of gamesavers.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

youd make the playoffs...you would just choke like all teams without top d men do.
you have nurse and klef...you need support for them. you dont need thetop dmen...you need the strong partners and one positional partner is at pivot. that is why he is pivot.

everything goes through him.

your assets are less valuable without JT than with JT.

i dont mind giving Franson a pay day. our left will be cheap for a while. schultz is likely the piece thatwuld go, Nikitin will be done after this year. Ference i think will be better in that bottom spot, klef can play right.

i think you dont need to change that much RIGHT AWAY. JT will increase some expendable players values so you can send them away during the year.

its a full game impact through one acquisition.

It is THE BOLD move that changes everything.

So this is today's version of
Yak/hall/drai+ for the Schenns

Where everyone says it's a bad idea and one guy won't let it go, filling pages, stifling all other conversation.

 

[ivanthebad*]

So this is today's version of
Yak/hall/drai+ for the Schenns

Where everyone says it's a bad idea and one guy won't let it go, filling pages, stifling all other conversation.

Exaggerate much! I know Chicago just won the playoffs and all and when I believe Hedman? gave Kane an extra shot behind the net and Shaw(young kid) basically ***** him in a heartbeat that type of play and team unity goes unnoticed right? And what I suggested getting the Schenns for being a Flyers fan was not only fair, but served a team need for both. If you choose to only recognize the offensive upside to that, well that suggests that you must of been a huge Eakins and MacT supporter! When B. Schenn stood up to a hit from P.K Subban at the blueline, crushed him the followed him around the ice to let him know he was not going to impose his will is like saying Pronger would have been a better dman without the intimidation/ nasty in his game. Duncan Keith just won athe Conn Smythe, but he has proved that he also has that nasty whatever it takes to win element to his game. Sorryn if I haven't seen that type of play in Eberle or Yak

Taylor Hall however doesn't impose it on his opponents, but in a much not so smart fashion has proven to carry the puck into whatever part of the ice and take a hit so that type of play gets a thumbs up as his heart is definately in the right place!

Draisaitl in the memorial I saw giving it back just as much on slashes and hacks so he is what I hope stays. He even took a ten minute. Good for him to stick up for himself, perhaps a teamate should have so the star player didn't have to sit in the box

 

[Jumptheshark]

Except if we don't improve our dcore we dont get better. We could have a forward core of

Hall - Crosby - Simmonds
Lucic - RNH - Eberle
Pouliot - Thornton - Shaw

and still miss the playoffs cause our d and goalie are awful

actually--we could not afford D or Gs or a 4th line

 

[oilinblood]

So this is today's version of
Yak/hall/drai+ for the Schenns

Where everyone says it's a bad idea and one guy won't let it go, filling pages, stifling all other conversation.

im sorry...i see alot of people liking the JOE idea.
and they are choosing to respond.

Did you want to talk about acquiring a goalie with no proven track record again?

they will be available for third rounders. end. and they wont solve anything. end. they wont help mcdavid. end. they wont help drais. end. they wont help yak and other assets. they wont make your d better. end.

clean the mess.

you dont need a number one. you got him already. you dont need a number two. you got him. you need solid partners. end.

 

[randomrob7]

im sorry...i see alot of people liking the JOE idea.
and they are choosing to respond.

Did you want to talk about acquiring a goalie with no proven track record again?

they will be available for third rounders. end. and they wont solve anything. end. they wont help mcdavid. end. they wont help drais. end. they wont help yak and other assets. they wont make your d better. end.

clean the mess.

you dont need a number one. you got him already. you dont need a number two. you got him. you need solid partners. end.

I DONT LIKE THE joe IDEA.

 

[Narnia]

I DONT LIKE THE joe IDEA.

I don't either. Oilers need defense and a #1 goalie and forwards.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I really don't feel like doing all the research so I will go by many arguments I have heard along the way. Dubnyk's #'s those years were as good as most in the NHL, so anyone painting a picture of him as this crap goalie who was only good b/c of this or that, bs. The Oilers CREATE bad goaltenders

Why can't you just admit that you were wrong?

Dubnyk was an o.k. goalie here until his last season. He had a solid lockout season but that obviously wasn't a full season. He proceeded to follow that up by crapping the bed badly.

Wouldn't do it for 16+ either. Trading for an old center is the last move the Oilers should be making. Defensemen and goalies, that should be their only trade targets and sign a gritty top 9 forward.



Yeah, I get that there is inexperience up the middle but I don't think it's worth giving up prime assets for and right now, 16th overall is their prime trading asset. Remember, McDavid isn't your conventional rookie, RNH is now in his 5th season so he's entering young veteran territory and Gordon is still here to aid in defensive assignments.

Thornton would be huge for our young guys. If we can't get a D or G worth getting with that pick I would happily deal for Jumbo.

 

[ivanthebad*]

"Hossa's teammate Patrick Kane tied the game. In the ensuing overtime, Hossa scored the game-winning goal shortly after exiting the penalty box. Since Hamhuis was not injured, the NHL did not fine or suspend Hossa. On May 23, 2010, the Chicago Blackhawks swept the San Jose Sharks to earn a trip to the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals, sending Hossa to the Final for the third-straight year with his third different team, a first in the NHL"

I also used this same mentality of moving Oilers pieces to acquire Ladd to play along side McD to much opposition. Yak,Hall, Ebs and RNH will always ummovable pieces as they mean more to winning cups than complimentary pieces to our most important!

 

[Hemsky4PM]

A trade that I would contemplate with the Rangers would be:

Keith Yandle
Cam Talbot

for

16th overall
Justin Schultz

The Rangers are only paying Yandle half his salary next season, but he's a UFA the year after and likely to require around 6M to retain. Obviously, the Oilers would want to sign Yandle to an extension. 6 x 6M?

Yandle would fit in with the Oiler D corps moving forward and is a much more proven offensive player than J Schultz.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

A trade that I would contemplate with the Rangers would be:

Keith Yandle
Cam Talbot

for

16th overall
Justin Schultz

The Rangers are only paying Yandle half his salary next season, but he's a UFA the year after and likely to require around 6M to retain.

Yandle would fit in with the Oiler D corps moving forward and is a much more proven offensive player than J Schultz.

Leaves us plenty of cap to go hard after one more UFA D as well. Would take that trade in a heartbeat and if one of those two sticks it will likely be worth it.

 

[oilinblood]

A trade that I would contemplate with the Rangers would be:

Keith Yandle
Cam Talbot

for

16th overall
Justin Schultz

The Rangers are only paying Yandle half his salary next season, but he's a UFA the year after and likely to require around 6M to retain.

Yandle would fit in with the Oiler D corps moving forward and is a much more proven offensive player than J Schultz.

so is it Klef or Nurse that you want out of the organization for Yandle?
60 minutes a game. who gets them?

just going to point out that most of NYR cost in acquiring Yandle was paying ARI to retain cap in the deal so they could sneak the contract in.

the retained cap was worth more than yandle.

 

[Throttlehead]

Why? Does RNH control, dressing room, possess and pass better than Joe. Again, the only gamble is term and age but disputing Joe's track record is just an argument at best. Joe without a question of a doubt brings several other Oilers to a different level in a less amout of time than does RNH, and to clarify, I am not knocking RNH if this is how it is percieved

There is no gamble on age, we know he is going to be 36 in 2 weeks. To trade RNH for a 36 year old player is not a great idea, there is no way a responsible GM makes that trade.

 

[ivanthebad*]

A trade that I would contemplate with the Rangers would be:

Keith Yandle
Cam Talbot

for

16th overall
Justin Schultz

The Rangers are only paying Yandle half his salary next season, but he's a UFA the year after and likely to require around 6M to retain.

Yandle would fit in with the Oiler D corps moving forward and is a much more proven offensive player than J Schultz.

Very good and Yandle was used a ton in NYR's last ditch effort to provide offense in then last series. Only downside to him is I believe he plays the left side so that is not what we particularily need as a 2nd option. Not sure if he can handle 1st line minutes on the right side also?

Yak/16th for Staal and Talbot just might do it as NYR this week basically confirmed St. Louis is done.

 

[oilinblood]

There is no gamble on age, we know he is going to be 36 in 2 weeks. To trade RNH for a 36 year old player is not a great idea, there is no way a responsible GM makes that trade.

SJ would want Schultz. with Burns there they can use him properly.

NYR would not want Schultz imho.

 

[Throttlehead]

A trade that I would contemplate with the Rangers would be:

Keith Yandle
Cam Talbot

for

16th overall
Justin Schultz

The Rangers are only paying Yandle half his salary next season, but he's a UFA the year after and likely to require around 6M to retain.

Yandle would fit in with the Oiler D corps moving forward and is a much more proven offensive player than J Schultz.

Why would you do that trade knowing that both are UFA after 1 year? How does that help us exactly if they both walk or if we have to trade them at deadline. What would we get for Yandle at deadline?

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't either. Oilers need defense and a #1 goalie and forwards.

Getting Joe would be out of opportunity, which would be a rare opportunity based on our circumstances (an opportunity that probably doesn't exist, but it doesn't hurt to ask!). There's no certainty that a deal for goalie or D or similar calibre would be available.

I also like our chances at signing a D like Sekera if we make a huge move or two before free agency. Sekera might see what we're doing and get caught up in the hype around the team, and might take slightly less in a long term deal.

 

[ivanthebad*]

There is no gamble on age, we know he is going to be 36 in 2 weeks. To trade RNH for a 36 year old player is not a great idea, there is no way a responsible GM makes that trade.

Very accurate, but a responsible team that just cleaned house in the office just might make it a focus to be responsible to also take the same measures in handling a generational talent like McD? They cleaned house in the front end, why are we assuming they just stop there?

 

[oilinblood]

Getting Joe would be out of opportunity, which would be a rare opportunity based on our circumstances. There's no certainty that a deal for goalie or D or similar calibre would be available.

I also like our chances at signing a D like Sekera if we make a huge move or two before free agency. Sekera might see what we're doing and get caught up in the hype around the team, and might take slightly less in a long term deal.

i was thinking that with Franson. he pays close attention to what teams are doing. he is definitely making an educated decision when he signs.
it is not surprising he is paying so much attention. hes had to fight for every contract and now he is looking for term. i dont think the $$$$ are as imoortant. he wants to pick the right place for a six year deal minimum.

 

[ivanthebad*]

Getting Joe would be out of opportunity, which would be a rare opportunity based on our circumstances. There's no certainty that a deal for goalie or D or similar calibre would be available.

I also like our chances at signing a D like Sekera if we make a huge move or two before free agency. Sekera might see what we're doing and get caught up in the hype around the team, and might take slightly less in a long term deal.

Sekera stated his want to stay in LA and an article came out with LA's suggested pre-plan to do so when they signed him. Apparentely they have/had a plan in mind for just that. Sekera would be my #1 target no question but unfortunately I think he stays in LA.