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[duul]

It's also funny how Petry is called trash and run out of town too. He played #1 minutes and was over his head. Now you've seen him on a team where he can play normal minutes as a #3 and he looked amazing. He got paid handsomely for it too.

We need a #1, a #2, and a #3 defenceman. We are so far behind other teams in this position that it does not matter if we bring in McDavid. It doesn't matter if our young "kids" keep growing and improving. They'll all get burned.

A huge part of offence is having a defence who can get you the puck. Our D, if they somehow manage to gain control of it in our end, will put it off the glass and out, or onto the other teams stick. Look at Chicago this playoff. Look at how Keith and Seabrook were able to hit their forwards in stride.

We never see that sort of thing from the Oilers.

 

[molsonmuscle360]

I don't disagree with that, but what I'm saying is, he was good for us back in the day and that's a big reason why Dubnyk had acceptable numbers.

No Dubnyk had acceptable numbers because he's a big body goalie who's great at getting from post to post for his size. And he has the ability to steal games. His confidence got destroyed, and that can kill the career of a goalie. He got lucky he got a second chance, and I don't expect him to waste it. He'll be a top 15 goalie for the next few years would be my guess.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

No Dubnyk had acceptable numbers because he's a big body goalie who's great at getting from post to post for his size. And he has the ability to steal games. His confidence got destroyed, and that can kill the career of a goalie. He got lucky he got a second chance, and I don't expect him to waste it. He'll be a top 15 goalie for the next few years would be my guess.

He has a weak confidence so I dont think he will ever be constantly a top goalie.

 

[Paralyzer008]

It's also funny how Petry is called trash and run out of town too. He played #1 minutes and was over his head. Now you've seen him on a team where he can play normal minutes as a #3 and he looked amazing. He got paid handsomely for it too.

We need a #1, a #2, and a #3 defenceman. We are so far behind other teams in this position that it does not matter if we bring in McDavid. It doesn't matter if our young "kids" keep growing and improving. They'll all get burned.

A huge part of offence is having a defence who can get you the puck. Our D, if they somehow manage to gain control of it in our end, will put it off the glass and out, or onto the other teams stick. Look at Chicago this playoff. Look at how Keith and Seabrook were able to hit their forwards in stride.

We never see that sort of thing from the Oilers.

The bold is absolutely correct. Only Petry could do that on our team. MacT thought Nikitin could do that but he was wrong. Schultz 90% of the time puts it off the boards. Ference 95%.

I don't think we need a No.3 as Klefbom can handle that role in my eyes. Fayne is a No.4. We do need a 1 and a 2 though, and that's not good.

 

[oilinblood]

here is the thing with JOE

he has all the power. there is ZERO chance he signs with Wilson again. ZERO. they know it.
he has a strict dont ask me to waive my NTC during the season. EVEN if he did it would be to a contender...so you get a very late first MAYBE in 2016. Considering he has all the power? maybe you dont even get THAT. maybe you try to call him on it and say fine we arent trading you. he laughs and walks on july 1st. for notta. hes had enough of them. its clear to everyone.

16th overall in this deep draft is a big price. look at the guys that will be available. SJ is ready to move on without Joe. In fact, keeping him is delaying the hand over.

keeping him also brings a big distraction which they are already fully aware of.

yes 16 gets it done and i think he would reup here. he likes Todd. i think he will gel with the core. i think it would be a price drop too in cap to get his next deal.

then you have insulation for not just McDavid but also RNH. a puck possession beast like JT gives you a better defense and transition as well.

its a steep price in a big draft but its a steroid shot for the lineup...immediately...and its a sure thing. i pay it. its fair. and they would smart to take it.

Poo RNH Eberle
Hall BigJoe McDavid
Lander Roy Yak
wagon line

Klef Franson
Nikitin Fayne
Marincin JSchultz

i think we do get Klein but i dont know if we get Talbot...i think Lack might be here if a third team gets involved. Chia might grab Lack through a third party.

thats a elite top six and can eat major minutes. that PP!

 

[Titsuple]

I remember the day we signed Nikitin, this burned into my head on repeat. Apologies but you have to go to the link because CBC Sports is the owner.

oh boy he is bad. Just let that guy walk around you lol

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

here is the thing with JOE

he has all the power. there is ZERO chance he signs with Wilson again. ZERO. they know it.
he has a strict dont ask me to waive my NTC during the season. EVEN if he did it would be to a contender...so you get a very late first MAYBE in 2016. Considering he has all the power? maybe you dont even get THAT. maybe you try to call him on it and say fine we arent trading you. he laughs and walks on july 1st. for notta. hes had enough of them. its clear to everyone.

16th overall in this deep draft is a big price. look at the guys that will be available. SJ is ready to move on without Joe. In fact, keeping him is delaying the hand over.

keeping him also brings a big distraction which they are already fully aware of.

yes 16 gets it done and i think he would reup here. he likes Todd. i think he will gel with the core. i think it would be a price drop too in cap to get his next deal.

then you have insulation for not just McDavid but also RNH. a puck possession beast like JT gives you a better defense and transition as well.

its a steep price in a big draft but its a steroid shot for the lineup...immediately...and its a sure thing. i pay it. its fair. and they would smart to take it

Joe wouldn't waive to come here. And I doubt Mclellan wants his ex captain who vanishes in the playoffs. Its not a good fit.

 

[Suxnet]

No Dubnyk had acceptable numbers because he's a big body goalie who's great at getting from post to post for his size. And he has the ability to steal games. His confidence got destroyed, and that can kill the career of a goalie. He got lucky he got a second chance, and I don't expect him to waste it. He'll be a top 15 goalie for the next few years would be my guess.

Dubnyk was never an "athletic" type of goalie, if that's what you're saying. He was a positional guy, but he had fundamental flaws in his game, which is why he let in so many softies time and time again despite being in front of the puck (and being 6'6).

 

[oilinblood]

Joe wouldn't waive to come here. And I doubt Mclellan wants his ex captain who vanishes in the playoffs. Its not a good fit.

thats not what i heard from McL. and for mods sake...hes also said the same in interviews...Joe T was never the problem and is a complete professional on and off the ice. He also said he cares a tonne about winning.
In my opinion...JT isnt dumb when it comes to that top six that can be shown to him. He keeps track of hockey at junior levels. i am pretty sure he would be excited.
McL is also the type that will change subjects or just say no comment if he doesnt have good things to say.

 

[Roof Daddy]

The only defenceman on our entire roster who would have been playing on a playoff team this year is Fayne, and he would be a third pairing guy.

Think about that for a second. We have one defenceman currently who would be able to play in actual good teams defence corps.

Let's go by salary:

Nikitin is a healthy scratch on nearly every team in the league,
Fayne is a top 4 guy on most teams, bottom pairing on the top teams.
Ference is a healthy.
Klefbom is not playing on a playoff team unless they have injuries. Could see him as a #6.
Schultz is either not playing or a PP specialist ala M.A. Bergeron.
Marincin no.
Aulie no.
Davidson no.

So tell me, how on earth is any goalie who comes here supposed to look anything other than atrocious?

Don't agree with you on Klefbom. Why do you think he was playing on the top pairing with OEL for Sweden at the WHC? Playing ahead of Klingberg and Ekholm, Klingberg being a #2/3 on the Stars (a team just missing the playoffs), and Ekholm a #4/5 on one if the best D lineups in the game with the Preds.

Your point is accurate, but we need to have perspective heading into this year:

- Klefbom has already established himself as a legit 2nd pair guy in my books. Does he take another step forward for next year, and how big of a step are the only questions surrounding his game. Look at Duncan Keith at the same age, the numbers and situation are fairly similar at that stage of his career.

- Fayne is a 4/5 as you say. He's going to play a quiet game most nights, and that's a good thing.

- Nurse is one of the top D prospects in the game. He has impressed just as much in his off-season training since being drafted, putting on roughly 8-10 pounds of muscle each off-season. If he does the same thing this off-season, I don't see how he doesn't make the team. Paired with the right vet, he could succeed in a 2nd pairing role.

- Ference is unfortunately going nowhere, but in a reduced role with reduced minutes he may be more effective.

So looking at our D, we obviously need 2 strong additions - a tall order to ask - but if we can land 2 I think our D is middle of the pack. Teams have done more with less. 1 big trade, 1 UFA signing isn't too much to ask for.

 

[Narnia]

here is the thing with JOE

he has all the power. there is ZERO chance he signs with Wilson again. ZERO. they know it.
he has a strict dont ask me to waive my NTC during the season. EVEN if he did it would be to a contender...so you get a very late first MAYBE in 2016. Considering he has all the power? maybe you dont even get THAT. maybe you try to call him on it and say fine we arent trading you. he laughs and walks on july 1st. for notta. hes had enough of them. its clear to everyone.

16th overall in this deep draft is a big price. look at the guys that will be available. SJ is ready to move on without Joe. In fact, keeping him is delaying the hand over.

keeping him also brings a big distraction which they are already fully aware of.

yes 16 gets it done and i think he would reup here. he likes Todd. i think he will gel with the core. i think it would be a price drop too in cap to get his next deal.

then you have insulation for not just McDavid but also RNH. a puck possession beast like JT gives you a better defense and transition as well.

its a steep price in a big draft but its a steroid shot for the lineup...immediately...and its a sure thing. i pay it. its fair. and they would smart to take it.

Poo RNH Eberle
Hall BigJoe McDavid
Lander Roy Yak
wagon line

Klef Franson
Nikitin Fayne
Marincin JSchultz

i think we do get Klein but i dont know if we get Talbot...i think Lack might be here if a third team gets involved. Chia might grab Lack through a third party.

thats a elite top six and can eat major minutes. that PP!

No to Big Joe. Wasn't he one of the reasons MacLellan left SJ because of Big Joe.

 

[oilinblood]

No to Big Joe. Wasn't one of the reasons MacLellan left SJ because of Big Joe.

lol, why does everyone think this? because he is the biggest name on the team?
McL doesnt spew hot air for anyone. he wont lie, he wont crap on people...but he simply will refuse to talk if he doesnt have good things to say.

he has given Joe glowing reviews. it had nothing to do with Joe. he knows exactly what Joe is about.

man where do people come up with this stuff. despite McL going on record...and despite all the comments coming out of SJ regarding management. i mean holy crap can people not see where the actual issue is?
yes McL left... i dont think its difficult to figure out, after years of management interference with things like captaincy and all the drama BS AND players routinely rolling eyes at being asked about managements statements and goings ons...i wouldnt think it would be hard to connect the dots.

just wow.

its shocking that people cant see the last six years of crazy circus antics in SJ and just throw blame on Joe, or Marleau, or Pavs, or Couts.

why didnt they win? their best dman ever was Boyle. great offensive dman...but when playoffs start? not elite enough. Burns on olympic ice? great. Goaltending? up and down.

i think Edmonton will be in better shape than SJ ever was. we have four top positional drafts and the assets are building. we can do this.

finally we have a generational talent coming. what player in this league would provide more insulation than JT...other than the other JT that just hoisted lord stanley.

 

[ivanthebad*]

The reason behind Dubnyk's good numbers in the past was because of the Smid-Petry pairing, which no one seems to mention. They were a pretty good shutdown pairing that faced top comp, reduced high quality shots and cleared the slot and d-zone quite well, which is far better than anything we have now. It's no coincidence that Petry looked worse than ever before after Smid was traded. They complimented each other real well and they had good numbers on the ice even when the Oilers were complete junk everywhere else.

How bout Schultz-Schultz, they weren't too shabby

 

[soothsayer]

lol, why does everyone think this? because he is the biggest name on the team?
McL doesnt spew hot air for anyone. he wont lie, he wont crap on people...but he simply will refuse to talk if he doesnt have good things to say.

he has given Joe glowing reviews. it had nothing to do with Joe. he knows exactly what Joe is about.

man where do people come up with this stuff. despite McL going on record...and despite all the comments coming out of SJ regarding management. i mean holy crap can people not see where the actual issue is?
yes McL left... i dont think its difficult to figure out, after years of management interference with things like captaincy and all the drama BS AND players routinely rolling eyes at being asked about managements statements and goings ons...i wouldnt think it would be hard to connect the dots.

Some reading:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...-mclellan-as-sharks-leave-town-234825718.html

 

[SK13]

I've been super out of it because of E3. Has there actually been any real chatter, or just same old same old?

 

[oilinblood]

i rarely read trash like yahoo blogs but i did for you. and im left wondering why you even brought that trash in here.

its still just a terrible blog and using quotes from JT that has his usual hatred of press in it.

management is the issue there and everyone knows it. like JT says...who is the ones bringing in drama from the past season. look at the captaincy stripping and you see who interferes.

 

[PKSpecialist]

Joe wouldn't waive to come here. And I doubt Mclellan wants his ex captain who vanishes in the playoffs. Its not a good fit.

I know I will get bashed here, but I completely disagree with this statement. Joe Thornton had a couple of rough years in the playoffs, but in the end, he took his team to the second round 6 times and the third round 3 times. That means 3 times he captained a top 4 team in the NHL.

No, he didn't win a cup, but as I have argued for a long time, there are 30 teams in the league. That means twice every 30 years you should see your team in the cup final, and they should only win it once.(perfect world). San Jose's problem was never their forwards, but their back end. Nabokov was a good to very good goalie, not great, and their defense was average. They played above them because they were such a good puck possession team that they could mask those inefficiencies, until they played a 7 game series against a great team that put their defense back on their heels.

 

[Mr Positive]

Some reading:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...-mclellan-as-sharks-leave-town-234825718.html

that's not a dig at McLellan. Joe refers to Todd as his family with the team. When I first heard the quote that's how I interpreted it, and it made sense since the players would have something to say about it, and I intrepret it to mean Joe wanted Todd to stay, or to at least discuss the issue with the players.

Later on Joe affirmed that he meant it like how I interpreted it.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

i rarely read trash like yahoo blogs but i did for you. and im left wondering why you even brought that trash in here.

its still just a terrible blog and using quotes from JT that has his usual hatred of press in it.

management is the issue there and everyone knows it. like JT says...who is the ones bringing in drama from the past season. look at the captaincy stripping and you see who interferes.

McLellan came here for a new start, Joe probably wants a new one too so I can't see him wanting to come here.

Also there is no way we can grab Thornton for anything less then Drai +16th and I do not think its even close to worth it, especially cause Drai could become Thornton

 

[ivanthebad*]

No Dubnyk had acceptable numbers because he's a big body goalie who's great at getting from post to post for his size. And he has the ability to steal games. His confidence got destroyed, and that can kill the career of a goalie. He got lucky he got a second chance, and I don't expect him to waste it. He'll be a top 15 goalie for the next few years would be my guess.

Exactomundo!! Dubby got destroyed here. Fasth and Scrivens both came from their repsective clubs in high regaurds. Scrivens even earlier in his career in Edm had arguably the greatest single goalie performance in NHL history. Even Mr. Universe came here and was run outta town. You do not go through 4 goalies like swiss cheese and simply suggest the goialies were the problem

 

[Mr Positive]

McLellan came here for a new start, Joe probably wants a new one too so I can't see him wanting to come here.

Also there is no way we can grab Thornton for anything less then Drai +16th and I do not think its even close to worth it, especially cause Drai could become Thornton

Joe wants a new start, and I think he likes McLellan, which is a perfect reason why we would appeal to him as a fresh start away from the sharks

As for the cost, you are probably right. I bet we would make the playoffs with Thornton though. I really do. However, at that cost we better not do it.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Exactomundo!! Dubby got destroyed here. Fasth and Scrivens both came from their repsective clubs in high regaurds. Scrivens even earlier in his career in Edm had arguably the greatest single goalie performance in NHL history. Even Mr. Universe came here and was run outta town. You do not go through 4 goalies like swiss cheese and simply suggest the goialies were the problem

To be fair, Brossoit came in and had a game close to Scrivens level but sadly got scored on. Both games against San Jose. They are a team that got a crap ton shots on net even if they weren't high quality.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Joe wants a new start, and I think he likes McLellan, which is a perfect reason why we would appeal to him as a fresh start away from the sharks

As for the cost, you are probably right. I bet we would make the playoffs with Thornton though. I really do. However, at that cost we better not do it.

How about this...

Yak, Schultz, Purcell @50% rentention 16oa, 2016 1st, 2016 2nd for Thornton and Burns

 

[soothsayer]

McLellan came here for a new start, Joe probably wants a new one too so I can't see him wanting to come here.

Also there is no way we can grab Thornton for anything less then Drai +16th and I do not think its even close to worth it, especially cause Drai could become Thornton

That's pretty much in the spirit of why I posted that article. Joe just seems angry at everything San Jose. Maybe he would come to Edmonton--I don't know why either side would want this. But if he were to move, you'd think he'd just want a clean start through and through.

 

[Soundwave]

That's pretty much in the spirit of why I posted that article. Joe just seems angry at everything San Jose. Maybe he would come to Edmonton--I don't know why either side would want this. But if he were to move, you'd think he'd just want a clean start through and through.

If Thornton's going somewhere it'll be like to the Rangers or something at this point. I don't think he's in any mood go through a rebuild process.