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Lets just see what other fans have to say...
Lets just see what other fans have to say...
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Barring moneyball aside, giving up RNH as a second C man to them is a bad thing? Yup, we definately lose on term and age but Joe has more than proven to be loyal! He has a major chance at finishing his career here with winning a cup and would be the catalayst to it all as he molds McD and Draisaitl and the rest. He also gives us a bonafide captain for a few years till McD takes it. It's definately a risk but his track record on and off the ice really speaks for itself. If he respects management, he respects loyalty
Thats a hard one. I would do something like... RNH, 33 oa for Thornton, Burns
I mean as long as Drai is looking as good as we hope.
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RNH+33rd overall for Thornton and Braun? That was a joke proposal right? RIGHT?
From what we saw in Kelowna, this to me is a given. I mean wow. All bias aside, he truly plays like a Kopitar. Plus he had sick neutral zone back checks and PK. His only flaw right now IMO is his stamina and skating till this point(we saw this hurt him in his EAKINS mind you NHl debut). Whoever Yak had help him last summer, that is the key. Yak's skating was tremendous over that off season and he praises the guy in tons of interviews
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Nonsensical speculation really.
If you ignore that he was stripped of his C by McLellan, has a NMC, and SJ would not trade him within the division, then it maybe makes sense.
Even with Burns, it's a mistake to trade RNH in that scenario, Thornton is too old.
They need a young top Dman in return for RNH like in a package for OEL or somebody of that ilk.
they didnt give up much. i take a look at yandle, who is a d man in his prime...and still think it was robbery with cap retained.
vermette was one of the top targets all year. yandle i dont really include because it was a surprise he was put out there but still didnt get the value he should have.
great thing about joe is his clauses.
i was wrong on the years left on his contract. if it was one year...i wouldnt go much above 16th. which in this draft is great return. i can still see a deal there if JT is willing to waive and yes the price would be higher. id be happy to hear what SJ would want.
For our future...our defense is green and in-house. i can see franson and klein realistically coming. our offense will have to pull us through that learning stage from nurse and klef. while mcdavid also adapts and is targetted.
and drais would be off the table because he is part of the reason you go in on JT.
JT i think will also increase value of other wingers. you have an asset advancer, like colorado did with forsberg and sakic.
i dont see the Sharks needing a centre.
they are able to trade JT because he is basically mudding up their pivot. they have their top two guys already and good prospects. i think Drais is who they would want but he is off the table.
i think Jschultz, and 16th. yaks contract is great and makes him valuable so he might be the piece they want.
I remember 3 years ago my buddy sent me a link of McD and his highlight real. My very first comment back was wow, this kid is the next Datsyuk. Not only did he dangle like crazy but his ability to disposses his opponents is what really stuck out. I will forever argue that the best thing that we can do for this kid is shelter him enough so he can work on these qualites at the NHL level. He is a magician with the puck, but add some 2way mentorship to his game and really, the sky is the limit. Just look at Toews and Datsyuk. They are amazing but when they learned to incorporate their body that really set them apart. I truly think that comes from on ice leadership
agreed, part of the reason why JT would be valuable to us idps because of how green our forwards are. part of the investment is how he will assist RNH and McDavid and Drai. thats why you get him. He is the only guy obtainable who can bring these guys along and add something and protect their positive ice time.
if you want to trade a forward later to get a dman. just do what other teams do and put him with JT for two months. increase vis value, show him off then dangle him.
They have it. I watched Petry and praised him tons and now he is gone, but I always critisced his physical game. Klefbom has shown that with his ability down low to break up cycles. He also got much better at offense when he started to finally shoot under Nelson, he remained calm and much more cross d passes at the end of the year and even showed his abilty to playmake when he slapped many off the back wall. He could easily be our next Seabrook.
Nurse has edge, speed, stamina and offense(maybe not the scoring) but I can easily see a Keith type player in him. He gets all over the ice much like Keith
No offense, but you still do net get Joem with these 3 still in the line-up unless Hall is moved.
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Dealing RNH for Thornton is ridiculous. Thornton could surely help us but not for RNH. If oilinblood is right and we can get him for 16 + then do that all day long.
Why? Does RNH control, dressing room, possess and pass better than Joe. Again, the only gamble is term and age but disputing Joe's track record is just an argument at best. Joe without a question of a doubt brings several other Oilers to a different level in a less amout of time than does RNH, and to clarify, I am not knocking RNH if this is how it is percieved
as i said, part of the reason you get a guy long in the tooth and with a big cap hit like JT and invest full seasons in him...is to shelter and tutor. tutor not just McDavid but RNH AND Drais. its invaluable. RNH is part of that equation. He immediately makes you a better club through just his play but the shelter and tutor aspects you cant put a price on. he instantly makes your wingers better. he instantly protects McDavid. Instantly your forawrds have two lines who can dominate and take big minutes.
that being said...i dont think SJ would turn down RNH straight up. cheaper contract, approaching prime, no issues, no circus. that also being said...i dont think they want a C. they have those. I think its J Schultz they would want since Nurse and Klef are not being moved. then you will have to add. I think J schultz and 16th would get it done. Burns would not be added. Part of why Schultz would look so good to them is because they already have Burns.
I was unaware that Thorton was a defenceman. Because, you know, why would we be talking about dealing our 16th pick for another forward?
Let someone else deal for him. We can't afford to waste precious assets to not address areas of genuine weakness. Centre is not one of those areas.
Let someone else deal for him. We can't afford to waste precious assets to not address areas of genuine weakness. Centre is not one of those areas.
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Like I said, he never played as well here as he did in Minnesota.
Perhaps not as I just realized Pavelski is also a C, but bro, to get Thornton this year it would take a Yak or Ebs in addition.
I really don't feel like doing all the research so I will go by many arguments I have heard along the way. Dubnyk's #'s those years were as good as most in the NHL, so anyone painting a picture of him as this crap goalie who was only good b/c of this or that, bs. The Oilers CREATE bad goaltenders
big picture buddy.
you have the puck. a centre is the third dman and most of a transition goes through the centre.
in my opinion...a top six of
Poo RNH Eberle
Hall JOE McDavid
gets you close to forty minutes of possession a game.
a centre like JOE helps your green D alot more than a centre lineup of RNH, MCDAVID, LANDER, GORDON. do you see?
not only that but none of your forwards have done anything of note. nothing. what are you going to lean on? where is your Hossa? Where is your sharp? who is showing the way? Ference?
Who increases the value of wingers you want to shop...to get dmen in trade? will RNH increase a wingers values? Will his presence shelter McDavid? who shelters RNH himself? Drais? top talents ready to be wasted? or are they top talents ready to be nurtured?
if you dont make a move like this...than MacT was exactly right...next year is a development year. IF you get JOE...next year you are aiming at being in the thick of it...and making trades during the year to get in the heat.
this is long term.
Wouldn't do it for 16+ either. Trading for an old center is the last move the Oilers should be making. Defensemen and goalies, that should be their only trade targets and sign a gritty top 9 forward.
Yeah, I get that there is inexperience up the middle but I don't think it's worth giving up prime assets for and right now, 16th overall is their prime trading asset. Remember, McDavid isn't your conventional rookie, RNH is now in his 5th season so he's entering young veteran territory and Gordon is still here to aid in defensive assignments.
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