Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[Gardner McKay]

hey, the Yankees do it all the time.

If they won as many championships as the Yankees have I don't think any one would care!

 

[AHB*]

I've seen people advocating for Stastny all over the last few weeks. I was just voicing my take on it.

I agree - neither are the type of guys you should be locking in to long term mega deals.

Vaneks not my favorite, but of the players mentioned, I think he's the only guy whose potentially worth the money. As I said in another post - I'll pay elite guys elite money.

You want to focus on center - so do we all. What's your plan? Unfortunately, it's overpay for Stastny, keep Richards, or make a trade in the offseason (realistically noting that you aren't bringing back the elusive #1 center).

Don't know that there's a perfect plan, but make it the main focus of this squad. Offer up a huge package for a prospect or young guy like Granlund. Try to pry guys away from their teams, that project to be top-end.

Do something shrewd.

 

[Vitto79]

Derek Dorsett is a healthy scratch on this team... or at least should be with $1.6M cap hit. Get rid of that, and you have the same roster with Callahan's raise.

Now I would prefer MSL on the team too... but that probably is a move to be made in the off season. Say bye bye to Stralman and Boyle, replace them with McIlrath and Lindberg, and you fit in MSL on this team.

Money and numbers aren't about what anyone's feelings... it's about what works. What the market dictates.

Keep Dorsett and let boyle walk. People say this team needs toughness then they want to dump it it. Just teach Dorsett to take less penalties

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I think the Rangers should draft more players that turn out to be top-end talent.

Is that mocking me?

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Don't know that there's a perfect plan, but make it the main focus of this squad. Offer up a huge package for a prospect or young guy like Granlund. Try to pry guys away from their teams, that project to be top-end.

Do something shrewd.

speaking of Granlund, your talking about the one on the Wild? because his younger brother was called up for the Flames and looks pretty good as well..


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=8965

how about a package with Flames and Wild to have the brothers on the Rangers..

 

[Barnaby]

Don't know that there's a perfect plan, but make it the main focus of this squad. Offer up a huge package for a prospect or young guy like Granlund. Try to pry guys away from their teams, that project to be top-end.

Do something shrewd.

Those guys just don't get traded. No one is looking for that 3-4 solid piece deal for that top end center talent unless maybe there is a serious problem - i.e. personal/attitude issues (I'm looking at you Mike Richards).

 

[Barnaby]

Keep Dorsett and let boyle walk. People say this team needs toughness then they want to dump it it. Just teach Dorsett to take less penalties

He's been in the NHL a long time… if he hasn't figured it out yet…

Boyle is way more valuable than Dorsett. Carcillo is getting the job done, and I like that swagger he has going. I honestly thought Carcillo - Moore - Boyle has been a very good 4th line. I wouldn't mess with it.

 

[Vitto79]

He's been in the NHL a long time… if he hasn't figured it out yet…

Boyle is way more valuable than Dorsett. Carcillo is getting the job done, and I like that swagger he has going. I honestly thought Carcillo - Moore - Boyle has been a very good 4th line. I wouldn't mess with it.

Don't mess w it this yr sure but next yr let boyle walk. Dude will get paid 2 million and he's a 4th liner. Carcillo and Moore likey take 1 million or Under to bring back

 

[Mikos87]

I remember after the Gabby trade everyone gushes over Dorsett proclaiming him the next Prust & that he'd be a fan favorite

Color me completely underwhelmed.

I would have no problem adding him to any trade.

That's cause folks were starved for a player to fill that role. Prust steps up for his teammates no matter what.

Dorsett only engages when he's Napoleonic complex kicks in. Scratch him. Trade him. Make sure he doesn't play as I have seen enough to see that he is the Brad Boyes of 4th liners.

IE a guy that is good enough to play in the NHL, but doesn't add enough to a winning team.

A true momentum killer.

 

[Cassano]

I remember after the Gabby trade everyone gushes over Dorsett proclaiming him the next Prust & that he'd be a fan favorite

Color me completely underwhelmed.

I would have no problem adding him to any trade.

Shame on the guy for showing a little emotion.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Dorsett has disappointed me greatly. Was SO happy when we acquired him last year, I though he could become another Prust for us. He is just not as versatile, though. Prust wasn't much bigger than Dorsett, but he was stronger and much tougher to knock off the puck.

 

[Vitto79]

Those guys just don't get traded. No one is looking for that 3-4 solid piece deal for that top end center talent unless maybe there is a serious problem - i.e. personal/attitude issues (I'm looking at you Mike Richards).

Rousell from Dallas was scratched because he tooltip many penalties. Say the same thing to the guy. I refuse to believe he can't learn and become more useful. Right now u agree he needs to sit but the team needs grit and carcillo us not enough on the roster

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I don't know who's more nuts: Sather for offering that deal or Callahan for mulling it over...probably Sather because I bet Callahan thinks he can get more from Sather.

 

[NYR Sting]

Brown is healthier, more durable, has a longer track record of producing in both the regular season and playoffs, and has captained his team to a cup, while playing a big role along the way.

Brown also captained a much better team, and has always been on a team with far more offensive talent than Callahan.

I am not a fan of Dustin Brown in anyway, shape, or form, but he is worth that contract more so than Callahan is worth 6x6, IMO. Mainly because I think Callahan's play will continue to decline rather than improve, as opposed to Brown who I think has a better chance of sustaining a decent production clip while being a physical presence, and a solid playoff performer.

And I don't think Callahan's play will continue to decline. In fact, I don't think it has declined all that much to begin with. I've stated the NUMEROUS mitigating factors that have to be taken into account when considering Callahan's production this season time and again. Production, I'll add yet again, that is 5 points behind Rick Nash's in an equal number of games played.

I really don't see how him being injury prone is a subjective claim. He has missed numerous games over numerous spans with injuries, and he played 41 games + playoffs with a torn labrum (which has to be the absolute stupidest decision he has ever made in his entire career). Add in the fact that he will always be at risk to injury with the style he plays, and committing to him for six years at that price is far, far from ideal, regardless of what he has done in the past.

He has missed significant time in only 2 seasons. Playing 75 games in a season does not equate to missing significant time.

Sting, I love you man, and always respect what you have to say, but you are letting your personal admiration for Callahan cloud your judgment. You know I've always been a big supporter of Callahan over the years, but he simply looks like a different player this year, and hints of decline in his overall game were on display last season, IMO. People didn't talk about it as much because he had the numbers. He has had neither the numbers nor the overall play this season, and he has been in and out of the lineup with injuries.

He doesn't look like the same player this year. I don't argue that. I argue that this is enough cause to proclaim that he is a declining player, because it clearly isn't. We've heard so much lately about the wonderful career of Teemu Selanne and how it is sadly coming to an end. I remember 10 years go, people thought Selanne was done. He was 33 years old, and he scored 16 goals and 16 assists in 78 games in 03-04. No, Callahan is not Teemu Selanne, but like Selanne, he is just one of so many other players that have had down seasons. A down season scoring-wise does not always equal decline.

Again, NUMEROUS factors that play into his performance this season. So numerous that it simply isn't reasonable to claim that he's a declining player. Way too many variables at play.

I love you too, dude, but respectfully, I think the judgment that has been clouded is yours. You've succumbed to the same thing everyone around here always succumbs to: this impatient, irrational flock mentality. I've been in the minority before. I was in the minority when the Rangers hired Glen Sather, traded for Eric Lindros, signed the likes of Holik and Gomez and Redden, drafted McIlrath instead of Tarasenko, among many others. I don't mind being in the minority. Most of the time, I come out smelling like roses.

Yes, he meant a great deal to this team for a good four year span at the peak of his game. No, I do not think we will ever see Callahan be that effective again, nor do I think anything he has done for this team justifies giving him a contract based off past performances. Callahan isn't Hank.

That's where we disagree. I think he has represented everything this franchise hasn't been for longer than you've been a fan of it. No, he's not Hank. But he's far and away the closest to him.

I'm not saying his contract demands are ideal. I'm not saying a 6 year contract would be ideal. He'll be overpaid, and he probably won't be that great by the end of the contract. I'm saying, that in the grand scheme of things, it really isn't going to make much of a difference, except to cut a hole in the franchise's history where one shouldn't be. A franchise with a history that is lacking in many regards.

Winning a championship is a lot easier when you have a player that plays the way Callahan does, and replacing that sort of player is SO MUCH harder than people around here seem to believe.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Say what you want about Sather at least he's not Phil Esposito. Seriously, the guy has a couple of screws loose.

Sather doesn't seem to be the beacon of sanity either

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Shame on the guy for showing a little emotion.

I find it ironic that Mr. Stats is the only one defending the guy that can't play the game, because of emotion. If "emotion" means taking stupid penalties that lose games Dorsett can stick his emotions where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[aufheben]

I like Corsett when he plays smart, but let's be honest: how often is that? Carcillo, Boyle, D. Moore are all better than him. Trade him for a pick.

 

[Cassano]

I find it ironic that Mr. Stats is the only one defending the guy that can't play the game, because of emotion. If "emotion" means taking stupid penalties that lose games Dorsett can stick his emotions where the sun doesn't shine.

Nah it's funny because you'd get crucified earlier in the season if you called him out for taking bad penalties. Most of the responses were that 'at least he plays with emotion and grit, unlike other players'. Just a hilarious 180 on a player Lol.

 

[Vitto79]

I don't know who's more nuts: Sather for offering that deal or Callahan for mulling it over...probably Sather because I bet Callahan thinks he can get more from Sather.

Yea let's get back to Cally. How gas he not signed that yet? I offered and he says no well who cares deal him and get someone who wants to be here. It's insane for him to not take that and run unless he wants to go to buffalo

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Please tell me it's going to alright. Please tell me we're not going to sign Callahan longterm or for anything over 4.5 million.

God, can't Gorton or someone stop Sather??

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I feel like slowly knocking my head against a wall repeatedly until the trade deadline on Wednesday. And then it might continue until July.

 

[OverTheCap]

There were some pretty heated debates about Dorsett vs. Prust earlier this year. Dorsett always reminded me of Hollweg moreso than Prust. I wouldn't be opposed to trading Dorsett but I doubt it happens as he is the only 4th liner signed beyond this year.

 

[Cassano]

Please tell me it's going to alright. Please tell me we're not going to sign Callahan longterm or for anything over 4.5 million.

God, can't Gorton or someone stop Sather??

What if I told you Gorton is part of the staff and the contract decision making? He is an assistant GM after all.

Crazy, I know.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I would trade Dorsett. sign Moore back to center the 4th line next year, sign Carcillo who should be under a million.. those are 2 good 4th line guys.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Nah it's funny because you'd get crucified earlier in the season if you called him out for taking bad penalties. Most of the responses were that 'at least he plays with emotion and grit, unlike other players'. Just a hilarious 180 on a player Lol.

Were you being sarcastic? If so you went to pretty great lengths to prove a point. I don't know if you're right. I remember the board hating him against St. Louis when he took 2 or 3 bad penalties, which resulted in at least 1 goal. Then he started taking fewer penalties and was decent for a bit, so he wasn't as bad. However, our 4th line was awesome without him, then AV puts him in for no reason, except "toughness" against Philly probably. Total Torts move, I'm very surprised. The line sucked, he took a back breaking penalty.