We have a great group in NY. That is worth a lot. We even made the POs with Torts as our coach...
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We have a great group in NY. That is worth a lot. We even made the POs with Torts as our coach...
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Richards AAV is $6.6M and his cap hit is as well, but his SALARY was actually $12M, $12M, and $9M.
That's disappointing to the man paying him.
http://capgeek.com/player/690
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Buffalo is not trading for Callahan, and they are especially not trading a 1st rounder in the middle of a rebuild, for a player they likely feel they can sign for just $ in the offseason, and even if they were going to give that 1st rounder, it wouldn't be the #1 overall pick in the draft, and they are likely to trade Stewart for another 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder at worst.
I don't know where the hell Callahan gets traded, if he does, but it's not Buffalo.
What about Drew Stafford?
Callahan + Kristo + McIlrath + 2nd
for
Stafford + McBain
Stralman to COL
for
McGinn
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
McGinn - Richards - Stafford
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - D.Moore - Boyle
McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - McBain
J.Moore - Klein
Callahan + Kristo + McIlrath + 2nd
for
Stafford + McBain
Stralman to COL
for
McGinn
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
McGinn - Richards - Stafford
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - D.Moore - Boyle
McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - McBain
J.Moore - Klein
UAGoalieGuy
Registered User
What ever it is. As long as it isn't more than one prospect with an NHL future. No Skjei, no Miller.
Stafford would be a good fit here. More size, good around the net. In his prime, not passed it. Good cap hit for this and next year. He could be a chip next year or re-sign a good deal.
Either way, i like that option infinitely more than a guy over a decade older and half a person shorter.
If we could add a Stafford and McGinn to this roster, i'd say we are better off going into the playoffs. As we are now, we are too damn small and passive physically. Philly mopped the ice with us. Bunch of wusses. Add McGinn and Stafford, guys with guts and good size.
silverfish
got perma'd
A big no to Stafford for me. He doesn't have it anymore.
Focus on MSL. Flip someone to Buffalo for Stewart. Those should be our top two targets.
Focus on MSL. Flip someone to Buffalo for Stewart. Those should be our top two targets.
He's on a God awful team right now, I wouldn't say he doesn't have 'it' anymore. And our priority shouldn't be cleaning out our prospect pool for a 39 year old midget.
McDonagh gets run from behind by Hartnell and no one bats an eyelash.
Ennis gets run from behind by Hartnell and Stafford fights him, and he can score goals when he has an actual NHL roster around him.
eco's bones
Registered User
Stafford is a soft and inconsistent player. He and McBain together are not worth either Callahan or McIlrath straight up. His numbers last year were 46gp-6g-12a-18pts--this year he's 52gp-10g-14a-24pts. He's 28 and making $4mil per and his contract is up at the end of 14-15. He doesn't hit a lot and he doesn't kill penalties. The closest Rangers equivalent would be Pouliot. Pouliot isn't quite as soft. I would not give Pouliot a $4 mil per year contract. Guys like Stafford need to be steered clear of.
What's more it's a senseless for a bottom feeder to be buying rentals at the deadline. If Callahan really wants to go to Buffalo and the Sabres want him that can be taken care of this summer. Why would Buffalo trade for something they could get for free?
What's even more the Rangers have shallow prospect depth and trading all of McIlrath, Kristo and a 2nd along with Callahan for the likes of Stafford and McBain (who has really yet to establish himself as a for real NHL d-man) is about the worst thing the Rangers could do for their future. The Rangers by the way drafted McIlrath for a reason--it might not have been popular in some quarters but they're not giving up on him now.
What's more it's a senseless for a bottom feeder to be buying rentals at the deadline. If Callahan really wants to go to Buffalo and the Sabres want him that can be taken care of this summer. Why would Buffalo trade for something they could get for free?
What's even more the Rangers have shallow prospect depth and trading all of McIlrath, Kristo and a 2nd along with Callahan for the likes of Stafford and McBain (who has really yet to establish himself as a for real NHL d-man) is about the worst thing the Rangers could do for their future. The Rangers by the way drafted McIlrath for a reason--it might not have been popular in some quarters but they're not giving up on him now.
eco's bones
Registered User
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
That's the same kind of package that was being floated around for St. Louis. Maybe that was never that realistic, but Drew Stafford? I thought he'd have a super-friendly term on his contract for some reason but it's up in 2015. If he wants Callahan money what do we do - trade him, Allen, Buchnevich and a second for another pretty fungible NHL player?
Far better off just taking a low second from some Western team, which should be the lowest value of the rental, just to wash our hands of the thing. We were "outsized" in basically one game, where we also took a pile of bad penalties, missed two wide open nets and played the wrong fourth liner. And yeah, Stewart is the much tougher player.
Far better off just taking a low second from some Western team, which should be the lowest value of the rental, just to wash our hands of the thing. We were "outsized" in basically one game, where we also took a pile of bad penalties, missed two wide open nets and played the wrong fourth liner. And yeah, Stewart is the much tougher player.
Never said he's 'physical' i said he has guts. All it takes is reading.
He has fought Hartnell and Neil...i wouldn't call him soft.
If that's soft what does that make this pansy roster we have? Not a single ****ing response to ANY physical play. They roll over and take it. McDonahh gets run, the single most important skater on the roster, and no one even looks at Hartnell. How is that going to play out over a 7 game series against a bruising roster like Boston, St. Louis, LA? Heck, even Pittsburgh.
This Rangers team doesn't have the skill, size, or guts to get as far as people hope.
If you don't like Stafford, that's fine with me. But St. Louis doesn't solve anything, either. At least Stafford is over a decade younger and has a future in the league.
This team desperately needs guts. And size.
This team desperately needs guts. And size.
silverfish
got perma'd
Wow. I'm going to try and answer this post, though it doesn't deserve one.
First of all, that "39 year old midget" would instantly become the most highly skilled forward we have had since Jagr. He also has 60 points in 60 games this season, but you're right. Let's just focus on his size, ignoring the fact that not only is the Rangers best forward this season 5'7" on stilts, and 170 lbs soaking wet and holding a pitbull.
You also assume that we would need to "clean out our prospect pool" for St. Louis. Yep. We'd have to trade the entire Hartford Wolf Pack. If the trade for Callahan and St. Louis does go through, it will be a prospect included and a draft pick that no one will bat an eye at. You have to give to get.
I don't care what Stafford's surrounding cast is like. He's not getting it done, and hasn't been getting it done for a few seasons now. Do you know who Stafford sees regular ice time with? The Moulsons, Hodgsons, Vaneks (when he was there), and Ennis' of Buffalo. He's playing with their top players, and he's not producing like they are. Of his 10 goals this season, 6 of them have come in the last 10 games. Is he turning it on? Maybe. Is this just a random hot streak considering history? More likely.
Not to mention:
Is a horrible deal for the Rangers. If Sather did this trade, I'd be done. It would instantly become the worst deal in Rangers history.
Stepan ran Downie from behind. Did the Flyers on the ice do anything? Are the Flyers a soft team?
eco's bones
Registered User
Hartnell is an agitator. He's neither a good or a feared fighter. Girardi laid a beating on him once FFS. Stafford has had 6 fights in 8 seasons--whoopty-do. You actually think that Stafford would have started a fight for yesterday's hit on McD? I don't. If the Rangers were to deal with Buffalo for a big, strong forward with edge--then the guy they just got from St. Louis Chris Stewart would be a far and away better choice than Stafford. Stewart really can fight and play physical and even put up offense when he wants to--which isn't all the time. Bigger, far meaner and a better player than Stafford.
The funny thing is you want the Rangers bigger and tougher and you're trading McIlrath who is probably the toughest player in our entire organization.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
I'm actually coming off 5 years. I think 4 would be the right number. He's no where near that, nor should he be. The Rangers need to make a move. The Rangers have an opportunity to get something of value for him. Hopefully today will be his last game as a Ranger. If he signs a six year deal of any sort, unless it's under 4 million per I'm going to be irate. I hate to pile on Cally but some of the things I'm hearing are flat out stupid. The Rangers are overvaluing their own player.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
Drew Stafford is taller than Marty St. Louis, so he is a better player. This sounds strange, but it works for me on OKCupid
eco's bones
Registered User
MSL once again proving this season that he can carry his team's offense. That is different than just being your team's leading scorer. He keeps himself in great condition all the time. He rises to challenges. He's not soft.
I agree with you that the Rangers are going to need more size but I'd have no problem with MSL. He's a small package but a very determined player--and by the way he might be 10 years older than Stafford but still have more future left.
E-Train
Registered User
Yep. It doesn't make any sense. I'll take Stewart and his inconsistencies any day over Stafford and McBain. Especially if he's coming with some of the other pieces STL sent to BUF.
You dont think Callahan will get 6 years/$36M on the open market? I do. Probably more. In which case, the Rangers aren't really overvaluing him.
The only place Callahan has been truly overvalued is around here when it comes to his rental trade value. Sather probably got a dose of reality that few, if any, teams are willing to give up assets for a guy thats going to be an expensive UFA this summer. However, he will get that type of money on the open market -- that much I'm certain. So, its tough to say theres any overvaluing going on here.
Wonderful. We all love MSL.
But, in reality, we don't know how much it will take to nab him before the deadline. Sure seems like its alot, sure seems like its much more than Callahan the rental.
I have yet to read a realistic logical reason why Tampa Bay would hand us St. Louis for Callahan (unsigned with dilusions of self worth) and a middling prospect and pick for this greatest player you describe? Especially when they are in the middle of contending for their Division's title?
Because it would please you as a Rangers fan isn't a valid answer.
Dylan McIlrath is a good prospect, and hes tough as nails, he's also not as intelligent a player as say, Skjei, who IMO has a real future as a professional, its uncertain what sort of player McIlrath can be in the NHL. He can fight, can he handle the NHL in his own end?
Yzerman repeatdely said he will not trade St. Louis for Callahan. But you know better? It doesn't matter if he asked for a trade, it doesn't matter that he specifically asked to go to the Rangers. Yzerman doesn't HAVE TO accomodate him. He has one more year left on his contract. Is he going to protest and refuse to play? Yzerman can hold onto him until the contract expires if he felt inclined to.
The Rangers want St. Louis, they can wait until summer 2015 and sign him.
Furthermore, why wouldn't Yzerman demand a huge return? Because you want St. Louis for less, isn't a valid response.
There is NO real reason for Yzerman to trade St. louis, at all. Not for a rental. Not for an underwhelming return. Not while they're a real contender in the East, not while he's under contract for another year. NO valid real reason.
Take the Ranger goggles off and see things from the other team's point-of-view.
St. Louis, while having the right mix of size, grit, center depth, and offensive defenseman, that all REAL contenders have, is a pipe dream.
This team lacks core fundamental pieces. A- No legit #1 center. B- No legit offensive defenesman. C- No size and no grit to withstand a long playoff run.
But, i'm the dilusional one suggesting to add Stafford (don't give a **** if we don't it was a suggestion) and McGinn types to add size on the wings, scoring depth, and some guts.
Dilusions of grandeur that St. Louis puts us over the top of the likes of Boston, Pittsburgh(make all the jokes about their D and Fleury you want, he won a Cup and got to the finals twice), Anaheim, Chicago, STL, LA, SJ, even Tampa.
I wonder how many people actually think this is just one down year for Callahan and that he will continue to produce and play close to his prime for the next 4 years at least. If he can do that then based on his past as a ranger I'd be happy in the end and think he'd be worth a 6 x 6 contract. Problem is I don't think we'll get more than 2 seasons into his contract before it nosedives
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
5x$5MM in a rising cap world I think is actually okay for Cally. The bigger issue is that IMO he is a luxury for this team (just like MSL). We have Nash and MZA who are both better options and who are likely here to stay, plus right wing is by far the organization's greatest area of strength. We should not be devoting ANY meaningful cap dollars to that position outside of locking up MZA.
We need to be investing in finding centers, left wings and puck moving defensemen. Failing that, we need to be acquiring assets that can subsequently used to find those players and/or shore up our pipeline. IMO there is almost no scenario where it makes sense to me to keep Cally.
I very much fear they've actually offered 6x$6MM and that the two sides will close the gap to sign a deal I think we'll all be regretting inside of 2 years. My hope here is that the organization is doing its best to make it seem like they're being more than fair to their homegrown captain while simultaneously playing the standard deadline waiting game with other teams, waiting for that last, best offer that will come Mon-Wed.
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