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And if not four years, he will AT LEAST play out the remainder of his contract (one year after this) at what shapes to be a very high-level of play.
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And if not four years, he will AT LEAST play out the remainder of his contract (one year after this) at what shapes to be a very high-level of play.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
You've done nothing to address my concerns re: your ability to determine the value of non-roster players.
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I could give to ***** about your evaluation.
I judged several of the Rangers first rounds picks correctly, months before the picks, on this message board. I'm quite comfortable with my ability to judge talent.
That's great that St. Louis will play past his 40's. Still haven't heard why Yzerman is trading him.
eco's bones
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I'd be interested in Chris Stewart by the way but I don't think Ryan Callahan would be part of that equation. There's no reason for Buffalo to trade for a guy they can pick up for free (if he's willing to play for them) in the off season. Buffalo is not going anywhere in the standings. What the Sabres would or should want--and I think their new GM is a bright enough guy--our young players, prospects and draft picks. A better time to address the leadership core is the offseason. The Rangers unfortunately are not deep in prospects and really need to hang on to their higher end draft picks IMO. There is the immediate need vs. future conundrum thing I suppose--so maybe Sather does trade our 1st or 2nd. If asked--I'd advised against it.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Oh, on this board? So you're a mystery poster!
I'm not saying Yzerman will or will not trade him. I'm saying you don't understand trade value.
The Rangers didn't have a #1 last June. Why not trade the 2014 #1 for a 39 year old player? Next March the Rangers should trade the #1 in 2015 for another now player.
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Lord Stan 2020
Elite fan
Tampa fan returning in peace. Here was the problem I think cally has 3 good years left sounds like some of you are unsure of this so max I would give him is girardi deal and know would lose extra money cause truly 5 at 5 is right in that equation the crazy part?
Marty comes in says I will do my best for the next 5 years and play my heart out?
I would give him 5 and 5 and if fell apart in that time still be ok with it cause he has shown us as fans for 12 years how big that will and heart is and he is a freak and stays somehow very healthy with his style of play.
This was why the marty for callahan was such in affront I think all sides are closer to either being closer to happening yet I think its more like closer to everything being done with and moving on to ok lets get to playoffs and move forward and cally resigns he is crazy not to take 6 at 6 and marty stays and just does what he always does.
Fair is callahan and 2nd round pick being a conditional number one if doesnt resign cause he wont 99% sure in tampa plus a good prospect RH D or power forward type with proof of some NHL time with upside of being a legit 3-4 or top 6 player 20-23 rfa and another higher end prospect of that type with true upside to being an nhl player.
Problem is flat out callahans demands which 6 for 6 is a great deal win for him overpay with style of play and wear and tear already on his body. I dont buy the size thing at all is just concern he does get one too many hits and becomes about as bad of a deal as say ryan malone the last two years or say a ryan crowe type of deal
Is just not good business and i cannot see stevie doing any more than 5 at 5 so is pure and simple downgrade and rental.
I just personally think over next five years if can get marty to play that time frame he has more worth than callahan over that time in every way imaginable. Marty is not slowing down. This might be his best year to be honest and when is game time doesnt matter what is outside he will show up to play every game for 60 minutes.
Marty comes in says I will do my best for the next 5 years and play my heart out?
I would give him 5 and 5 and if fell apart in that time still be ok with it cause he has shown us as fans for 12 years how big that will and heart is and he is a freak and stays somehow very healthy with his style of play.
This was why the marty for callahan was such in affront I think all sides are closer to either being closer to happening yet I think its more like closer to everything being done with and moving on to ok lets get to playoffs and move forward and cally resigns he is crazy not to take 6 at 6 and marty stays and just does what he always does.
Fair is callahan and 2nd round pick being a conditional number one if doesnt resign cause he wont 99% sure in tampa plus a good prospect RH D or power forward type with proof of some NHL time with upside of being a legit 3-4 or top 6 player 20-23 rfa and another higher end prospect of that type with true upside to being an nhl player.
Problem is flat out callahans demands which 6 for 6 is a great deal win for him overpay with style of play and wear and tear already on his body. I dont buy the size thing at all is just concern he does get one too many hits and becomes about as bad of a deal as say ryan malone the last two years or say a ryan crowe type of deal
Is just not good business and i cannot see stevie doing any more than 5 at 5 so is pure and simple downgrade and rental. I just personally think over next five years if can get marty to play that time frame he has more worth than callahan over that time in every way imaginable. Marty is not slowing down. This might be his best year to be honest and when is game time doesnt matter what is outside he will show up to play every game for 60 minutes.
I did.
Danny Kristo: Small. 23, will be 24 this time next year. No NHL experience. Rangers need scoring depth and he hasn't gotten a call up. Zuccarello injured, no call up. Callahan injured, no call up. But J.T. Miller has. Younger, bigger, tougher, more skilled, more intelligent player.
Dylan McIlrath: Tough, great fighter. When the speed of the NHL is coming at him, can he handle it? Where does he fit into the lineup? He isn't playing the left side. Girardi and Klein are locked in long'term. He's pairing up with Staal in a top four roll now? He's pairing with John Moore? Imagine that disaster. We would need to acquire a stable left side defender for the 3rd pair. Is Sather doing that?
Low second round pick: Its an unknown.
That isn't worth Stafford, and McBain?
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Hunter Gathers
The Crown
eco's bones
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To remark more on MSL--if this dispute between him and his general manager carries over into next year and MSL is still adamant about only playing for the Rangers then Yzerman is in a bit of a spot because MSL's term only runs through next season. He will be in a worse situation than the Rangers are with Callahan as the Rangers can pretty much move Callahan anywhere as he hasn't excluded out any future team. St. Louis' value as a rental is reduced to other teams will be reduced. He will simply be a rental. So to me Yzerman has a window with St. Louis that extends at least for the moment past these playoffs and to next year's trade deadline. After that his control over the player is not going to be worth anything.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
Seeing people equate Drew Stafford and Martin St. Louis is the kind of thing that makes these boards worthwhile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FBfAQ-NDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FBfAQ-NDE
They should just trade Stastny to NY for Callahan. Gives us a chance to kick the tires and see if the price is worth it. My feeling is that if we get rid of Richards and pick up Stastny, it's just another overpriced out of term contract.
Tampa fan returning in peace. Here was the problem I think cally has 3 good years left sounds like some of you are unsure of this so max I would give him is girardi deal and know would lose extra money cause truly 5 at 5 is right in that equation the crazy part?
Marty comes in says I will do my best for the next 5 years and play my heart out?
I would give him 5 and 5 and if fell apart in that time still be ok with it cause he has shown us as fans for 12 years how big that will and heart is and he is a freak and stays somehow very healthy with his style of play.
This was why the marty for callahan was such in affront I think all sides are closer to either being closer to happening yet I think its more like closer to everything being done with and moving on to ok lets get to playoffs and move forward and cally resigns he is crazy not to take 6 at 6 and marty stays and just does what he always does.
Fair is callahan and 2nd round pick being a conditional number one if doesnt resign cause he wont 99% sure in tampa plus a good prospect RH D or power forward type with proof of some NHL time with upside of being a legit 3-4 or top 6 player 20-23 rfa and another higher end prospect of that type with true upside to being an nhl player.
Problem is flat out callahans demands which 6 for 6 is a great deal win for him overpay with style of play and wear and tear already on his body. I dont buy the size thing at all is just concern he does get one too many hits and becomes about as bad of a deal as say ryan malone the last two years or say a ryan crowe type of deal
I just personally think over next five years if can get marty to play that time frame he has more worth than callahan over that time in every way imaginable. Marty is not slowing down. This might be his best year to be honest and when is game time doesnt matter what is outside he will show up to play every game for 60 minutes.
Which would be the equivelent of:
Callahan
Kreider/Miller
Skjei/McIlrath
2nd (1st if Cally signs)
Sather has had 14 years to win a championship and has failed.
At this point in time, it sure seems like any positive legacy would be making move towards the future.
Desperate measures from a 71 year old man going after one more shot of glory does no good now or into the future.
silverfish
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Oh my God, this post.
First off, you forgot to mention that Callahan is included in your proposal. Second off, Callahan alone is worth a truckload more than Stafford and McBain. In what world is Staffard and McBain worth Callahan? Third off, your discussion with Jonathan. now Bird Law, has caused you to at least ignore my facts in discussing why Stafford isn't a good player.
I'll say it again:
A) Of his 10 goals this season, 6 came in the last 10 games. Is he turning it around? Maybe. Is this a fluke? More likely.
B) Stafford sees the majority of his ice time with the Sabres premiere players. Moulson, Ennis, Hodgson, and Vanek when he was with the team. Stafford is performing at a level quite below those players.
C) In this season and last, Stafford has a combined 42 points in 98 games. And we're adding prospects PLUS Callahan to that deal?
I don't understand the thought process on why Stafford is a good add for us. Because he's 6'2"? Boyle is 6'6" John Scott is 6'7". Size. Jam. We need players who can put the puck in the net, too.
No body "equated" them.
Stafford in a trade is FAR more affordable than St. Louis. Plain and simple. While addressing scoring depth and size around the net.
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OMG this post.
Callahan is a UFA at the end of the season. He is asking for 7 years and 7 million. Hus value is not going to be as high as you want.
OMG.
He isn't returning St. Louis.
silverfish
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So I come at you with fact and discussion, and you come back with this?
BELIEVE ME, I understand Callahan's value isn't high. On the other hand, the Rangers can certainly land a lot more than Drew Stafford when dealing Callahan. Do you watch the Sabres at all? I'm not saying that in an accusatory way, I'm generally curious. I do. Stafford has been invisible for a long, long time. Sabres fans have had talk of wanting to waive him recently. He socred 6 goals in 46 games last season. He has 10 this season, and 6 of those are in the last 10 games, which is something he WILL NOT keep up, according to history.
And again, I have never... EVER said that Callahan alone will return St. Louis. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
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Lord Stan 2020
Elite fan
Rh D and no do not think you will move kreider is as insane as us moving marty for callahan straight up. Dont get me wrong it has to work or wont work.
We are looking for a young RH D hopefully 2 way solid player mcilrath aint a guy we need we got lh d coming out of ears
I do not know SKJEI at all so cant commit so being up front. If can get a girardi type of guy HOME RUN if can get a ppqb PMD if was rh like mdz was but he was left is a win etc.I dont see miller cause we have plenty of two way good centers. Drouin is looking good at center so cannot see him on wish list of stevie and he was a top first round pick dont see it.
Our pieces dont match why said at first when all came out three team trade makes a heck of a lot more sense. I think marty is a bolt or marty is dead set to retire with you we will know by next fall at latest.
I wouldnt be asking for Kreider and miller if was stevie. We have a lot of good scouts if this is for real stevie has named the types of players that could be moved from other teams and yours imo that sather could take care of this if he is dead set on this deal.
If was kreider i would say callahan the conditional first and kreider probably would just do it.
His upside being a organizational weakness should be high enough to make a deal more palatable to stevie. He wouldnt be happy cause I truly feels he doesnt want to move marty but Kreider is for real and would help a huge weakness on our team in which we really only have a few glaring weaknesses
Even worse, according to the Lightning fan, who has a much better grasp of his own club, suggests Top forward prospect, defenseman, Callahan, and 2nd (1st if Callahan resigns).
Which is most likely what it would take.
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I've mentioned this before but got no response.
With the Stafford talk, why not try for Patrik Berglund. He's 6'3, fills a position of need, has very good offensive skill, and the Blues have shown that they're interested in Callahan.
Not exactly sure what the actual deal would look like, or who would have to add more.
With the Stafford talk, why not try for Patrik Berglund. He's 6'3, fills a position of need, has very good offensive skill, and the Blues have shown that they're interested in Callahan.
Not exactly sure what the actual deal would look like, or who would have to add more.
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Lord Stan 2020
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no top forward with nhl games or defender not both who looks to project to top 4 or top 6 and we only need RH D and that is biggest problem of anything happening and why third team is going to need to be involved.
I do know nothing on SKJEI though is he a righty? I have never heard of him I also do not think from your end you can move 1st rounders in this deal and callahan it has to work and if this is real this is going to take time and probably happen in the summer
I know skjei is late round 1st pick and that is it no history of him in research. I do not see you moving first round picks and stevie knows enough of what is looking for to avoid that if marty has demanded a trade but will take time cause of the righty thing and finding someone who might fit in as a power forward whether a vet or whatever
Drew Stafford isn't the hill i'll die on. I could care less. He was a far less expensive suggestion.
Replace him with Stewart if you want, and subtract McIlrath from the deal.
Only reason i mentioned McBain as a throw in is because we can use an extra body, and we have to add more than one forward with size. Stralman is unsigned, as well. Trades have to be discussed using his name, as well.
I suggested a McGinn type for Stralman.
The Rangers are going to have to move parts to get parts. And the more Callahan refuses to be logical in his demands his value is going to decrease.
Honestly don't see Buffalo trading for him at all, anyway. They can wait and sign him.
St. Louis isn't the answer. And he will cost a ton. Weather we want him to or not. Yzerman won't screw that trade up.
Lord Stan 2020
Elite fan
To move marty is really going to take 3 teams.
Top forward decent who will be under contract and 0.5 range or a defender who has some nhl experience tough is good or ppqb is good not both.
A good prospect who looks to have nhl pedigree have what it takes to at least be a third fourth liner of future good solid game both sides can play PK type etc. Or a guy who is vet but younger 24-28 who has under a contract non rental and callahan plus conditional 1st cause we are not giving him over 5 and 5 in my opinion that makes filppula deal look bad cant create more problems.
Why the three teams you dont have the assets but if this is real sather has a list from stevie will just take time for him to make 1 -2 small deals to get what is required so probably by camp
Top forward decent who will be under contract and 0.5 range or a defender who has some nhl experience tough is good or ppqb is good not both.
A good prospect who looks to have nhl pedigree have what it takes to at least be a third fourth liner of future good solid game both sides can play PK type etc. Or a guy who is vet but younger 24-28 who has under a contract non rental and callahan plus conditional 1st cause we are not giving him over 5 and 5 in my opinion that makes filppula deal look bad cant create more problems.
Why the three teams you dont have the assets but if this is real sather has a list from stevie will just take time for him to make 1 -2 small deals to get what is required so probably by camp
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