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robertguess2013 said:
Rh D and no do not think you will move kreider is as insane as us moving marty for callahan straight up. Dont get me wrong it has to work or wont work.

We are looking for a young RH D hopefully 2 way solid player mcilrath aint a guy we need we got lh d coming out of ears:) I do not know SKJEI at all so cant commit so being up front. If can get a girardi type of guy HOME RUN if can get a ppqb PMD if was rh like mdz was but he was left is a win etc.

I dont see miller cause we have plenty of two way good centers. Drouin is looking good at center so cannot see him on wish list of stevie and he was a top first round pick dont see it.

Our pieces dont match why said at first when all came out three team trade makes a heck of a lot more sense. I think marty is a bolt or marty is dead set to retire with you we will know by next fall at latest.

I wouldnt be asking for Kreider and miller if was stevie. We have a lot of good scouts if this is for real stevie has named the types of players that could be moved from other teams and yours imo that sather could take care of this if he is dead set on this deal.

If was kreider i would say callahan the conditional first and kreider probably would just do it.

His upside being a organizational weakness should be high enough to make a deal more palatable to stevie. He wouldnt be happy cause I truly feels he doesnt want to move marty but Kreider is for real and would help a huge weakness on our team in which we really only have a few glaring weaknesses:)
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Skjei is a two way D and could be among the lines of McD.. I would probably think we would trade kristo..they say he has NHL ready offensive talent but just needs to work on his D
 
robertguess20and 13 said:
To move marty is really going to take 3 teams.

Top forward decent who will be under contract and 0.5 range or a defender who has some nhl experience tough is good or ppqb is good not both.

A good prospect who looks to have nhl pedigree have what it takes to at least be a third fourth liner of future good solid game both sides can play PK type etc. Or a guy who is vet but younger 24-28 who has under a contract non rental and callahan plus conditional 1st cause we are not giving him over 5 and 5 in my opinion that makes filppula deal look bad cant create more problems.

Why the three teams you dont have the assets but if this is real sather has a list from stevie will just take time for him to make 1 -2 small deals to get what is required so probably by camp:)
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Dorsett cally skjei and kristo
 
robertguess2013 said:
no top forward with nhl games or defender not both who looks to project to top 4 or top 6 and we only need RH D and that is biggest problem of anything happening and why third team is going to need to be involved.

I do know nothing on SKJEI though is he a righty? I have never heard of him I also do not think from your end you can move 1st rounders in this deal and callahan it has to work and if this is real this is going to take time and probably happen in the summer:)

I know skjei is late round 1st pick and that is it no history of him in research. I do not see you moving first round picks and stevie knows enough of what is looking for to avoid that if marty has demanded a trade but will take time cause of the righty thing and finding someone who might fit in as a power forward whether a vet or whatever:)
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McIlrath is a righty, Skjei is a lefty.
 
robertguess2013 said:
no top forward with nhl games or defender not both who looks to project to top 4 or top 6 and we only need RH D and that is biggest problem of anything happening and why third team is going to need to be involved.

I do know nothing on SKJEI though is he a righty? I have never heard of him I also do not think from your end you can move 1st rounders in this deal and callahan it has to work and if this is real this is going to take time and probably happen in the summer:)

I know skjei is late round 1st pick and that is it no history of him in research. I do not see you moving first round picks and stevie knows enough of what is looking for to avoid that if marty has demanded a trade but will take time cause of the righty thing and finding someone who might fit in as a power forward whether a vet or whatever:)
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Skjei is a left handed shot.

He's very intelligent. High-end skater. Size. Reach. Very good positionally and his fundamentals are fantastic.

His only drawback would be: can he develop his offensive game. If not, he's a future shut down guy. If yes, hes a two way guy.

He will be a top four defenseman.

That's why i don't want to deal him. And have no qualms dealing McIlrath instead. Because IMO Skjei will be a better player. And the Rangers have long-term commitments to Girardi and Klein in the right side. They need an offensive defenseman on the right side. McIlrath isn't that guy. Will he be good enough to carry a stritcly tough-guy defender?
 
pixel said:
I could give to ***** about your evaluation.

I judged several of the Rangers first rounds picks correctly, months before the picks, on this message board. I'm quite comfortable with my ability to judge talent.

That's great that St. Louis will play past his 40's. Still haven't heard why Yzerman is trading him.
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Kershaw.. Is that you? :laugh: how can he answer why Yzerman is trading him if no one knows the real reason outside of Marty and Steve Y. We have plenty of speculation from respected sources but that is all. Nothing concrete.
 
someone stole hank said:
Skjei is a two way D and could be among the lines of McD.. I would probably think we would trade kristo..they say he has NHL ready offensive talent but just needs to work on his D
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Every forward on our team and coming up but connolly and drouin are two way players and very good at it. Is style of player stevie wants.


Skjei is lefty..

Hedman carle barberio is loved by cooper like a son koekoek coming aulie already cant get time brewer is stuck here another year Korobov is our best ahl defender and lefty. Nesterov is russian first year here but actually might have most upside when he bulids up muscle is insane the LH D in Tampa.

We have gudas sustr RH D Salo who might resign but might retire. That is it that is the how bare it is in tampa we just brought in Koskta 28 year old guy that has pretty much spent entire career in AHL and have Cote LH guy same age same pedigree who has been playing on right side before olympics but got injured after sending to ahl.

The RH D has to be addressed is a serious issue Gudas is Tired we sent Sustr down a couple months ago etc. They will be great in time but they are both 23:)
 
robertguess2013 said:
Every forward on our team and coming up but connolly and drouin are two way players and very good at it. Is style of player stevie wants.


Skjei is lefty..

Hedman carle barberio is loved by cooper like a son koekoek coming aulie already cant get time brewer is stuck here another year Korobov is our best ahl defender and lefty. Nesterov is russian first year here but actually might have most upside when he bulids up muscle is insane the LH D in Tampa.

We have gudas sustr RH D Salo who might resign but might retire. That is it that is the how bare it is in tampa we just brought in Koskta 28 year old guy that has pretty much spent entire career in AHL and have Cote LH guy same age same pedigree who has been playing on right side before olympics but got injured after sending to ahl.

The RH D has to be addressed is a serious issue Gudas is Tired we sent Sustr down a couple months ago etc. They will be great in time but they are both 23:)
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Sounds like you do need McIlrath
 
Matt Carle Place said:
McIlrath is a righty, Skjei is a lefty.
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You are not going to trade first rounders to make this deal happen. Stevie wouldnt ask imo. Maybe he would just doubt it. I wouldnt do it from NY perspective.

Stevie is not going to move KoekKoek and basically is same worth. 10th over all picks:) I just dont see it stevie will not try to bend anyone over.

If marty has personal reasons why he wants to retire in NY or doesnt see eye to eye with stevies plan OR him and stevie have an unresolvable issue I do not see stevie not accommodating

Marty's request. If its real stevie is the guy that would make it happen.

I think those are the three issues personal reason wanting to retire not happy with THE PLAN or the snub issue is big enough not to want to be playing for stevie.

Stevie will make a deal happen and make a fair deal. He is that way IMO.
 
This is Nash all over again.. He will not be moved at the deadline, and despite that, Sather will keep trying to make it happen and once again miss out on improving the team, then Sather will finally get him in the off season.
 
Stafford has actually played well this season. Better than Callahan.

The Rangers need assets to acquire bigger pieces. Not UFAs. Draft picks.

Girardi's contract makes him tradable in a few years if he waives. Callahan at 6 million? Doubtful.
 
a deal that would probably work but will not happen


dominic moore mcilrath and callahan with the conditiional pick.


Moore is a big part of your team and you need him for the playoff push mcilrath is a big part of your plan of the future and think is not expendable?

So I dont see this not sure how you feel as fans but that is the type of thing stevie would look for but honestly he is looking more for 20-24 year olds proven to be these types of players or look like they could be that he can get under contract and hold under contract for a few more years the RFA thing.





Talent Analysis

McIlrath is a nasty, in your face NHL defenseman, who won’t back down and can clear the crease for his netminder. Not afraid to fight or just intimidate, McIlrath has a good shot and his puck distribution has been improving, but he needs to improve his skating and defensive positioning.

this or PPQB puck moving D guy is EXACTLY what stevie wants but if I was NY I dont do it cause stevie would not do KoekKoek is that simple put too much time in already etc.
 
robertguess2013 said:
a deal that would probably work but will not happen


dominic moore mcilrath and callahan with the conditiional pick.


Moore is a big part of your team and you need him for the playoff push mcilrath is a big part of your plan of the future and think is not expendable?

So I dont see this not sure how you feel as fans but that is the type of thing stevie would look for but honestly he is looking more for 20-24 year olds proven to be these types of players or look like they could be that he can get under contract and hold under contract for a few more years the RFA thing.
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What round is the conditional. Rather give you dorsett than D-Moore.

We need him.
 
robertguess2013 said:
a deal that would probably work but will not happen


dominic moore mcilrath and callahan with the conditiional pick.


Moore is a big part of your team and you need him for the playoff push mcilrath is a big part of your plan of the future and think is not expendable?

So I dont see this not sure how you feel as fans but that is the type of thing stevie would look for but honestly he is looking more for 20-24 year olds proven to be these types of players or look like they could be that he can get under contract and hold under contract for a few more years the RFA thing.
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I doubt that does it, the Rangers would probably do that deal in a minute.
 
AHB said:
What round is the conditional. Rather give you dorsett than D-Moore.

We need him.
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cally is not signing in tampa so a 1st is what it takes to make a trade for cally.

Otherwise cally is not part of the trade and then gets a whole bunch weirder.

Lundsanity30 said:
I doubt that does it, the Rangers would probably do that deal in a minute.
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I would think that is very close to types of players stevie wants moore being 33 is draw back but steve liked him a lot the vets love him still the fans love him etc. so steve comes out looking like he did his best in a very poor situation
 
No way should the Rangers add Moore, a conditional 1st and Mcilrath for a 39 year old.

That's the type of move that sets you back years down the line.

Especially when we didn't have a 1st rounder last year.
 
Bruce Garrioch at the Ottawa Sun feels if the Rangers can’t get Ryan Callahan signed by the trade deadline, it’s doubtful he’ll be dealt. He adds that the Rangers could then add forward depth through a trade by using draft picks.

nyrangersblog.com
 
AHB said:
No way should the Rangers add Moore, a conditional 1st and Mcilrath for a 39 year old.

That's the type of move that sets you back years down the line.

Especially when we didn't have a 1st rounder last year.
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Moore is a UFA, the 1st would always be required in a big deal, and many many Ranger fans aren't high on Mcilrath and believe that was a waste of a pick.
 
NYR Sting said:
Brown also captained a much better team, and has always been on a team with far more offensive talent than Callahan.



And I don't think Callahan's play will continue to decline. In fact, I don't think it has declined all that much to begin with. I've stated the NUMEROUS mitigating factors that have to be taken into account when considering Callahan's production this season time and again. Production, I'll add yet again, that is 5 points behind Rick Nash's in an equal number of games played.



He has missed significant time in only 2 seasons. Playing 75 games in a season does not equate to missing significant time.



He doesn't look like the same player this year. I don't argue that. I argue that this is enough cause to proclaim that he is a declining player, because it clearly isn't. We've heard so much lately about the wonderful career of Teemu Selanne and how it is sadly coming to an end. I remember 10 years go, people thought Selanne was done. He was 33 years old, and he scored 16 goals and 16 assists in 78 games in 03-04. No, Callahan is not Teemu Selanne, but like Selanne, he is just one of so many other players that have had down seasons. A down season scoring-wise does not always equal decline.

Again, NUMEROUS factors that play into his performance this season. So numerous that it simply isn't reasonable to claim that he's a declining player. Way too many variables at play.

I love you too, dude, but respectfully, I think the judgment that has been clouded is yours. You've succumbed to the same thing everyone around here always succumbs to: this impatient, irrational flock mentality. I've been in the minority before. I was in the minority when the Rangers hired Glen Sather, traded for Eric Lindros, signed the likes of Holik and Gomez and Redden, drafted McIlrath instead of Tarasenko, among many others. I don't mind being in the minority. Most of the time, I come out smelling like roses.



That's where we disagree. I think he has represented everything this franchise hasn't been for longer than you've been a fan of it. No, he's not Hank. But he's far and away the closest to him.

I'm not saying his contract demands are ideal. I'm not saying a 6 year contract would be ideal. He'll be overpaid, and he probably won't be that great by the end of the contract. I'm saying, that in the grand scheme of things, it really isn't going to make much of a difference, except to cut a hole in the franchise's history where one shouldn't be. A franchise with a history that is lacking in many regards.

Winning a championship is a lot easier when you have a player that plays the way Callahan does, and replacing that sort of player is SO MUCH harder than people around here seem to believe.
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Thank you for taking the time to write and post this. Im already backing away from engaging so many different posters with so many different views. Some of the stuff that goes on here, while having seen it for many years, I have conversations with people who turn everything into an one-sided argument.

But you've been summarizing the Callahan debate up very well. Funny how no body reads it, or how people choice to then ignore the points you make, when they get back to their cries to rid the rangers of callahan.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Moore is a UFA, the 1st would always be required in a big deal, and many many Ranger fans aren't high on Mcilrath and believe that was a waste of a pick.
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We dont need high skill have that need a fighter warrior guy to clear the crease and by all accounts that is mcilrath now can we get vets like that at one point? I would say yes but

Public image is a big thing why moore works etc. just your going for the playoff push and with marty I think a cup shot. I would add more if got marty myself?

So no sure how important moore is to your pk and lower lines etc. but thought he was important why still the third team type of thing and really steve would prefer a younger guy etc.
 
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