Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[SupersonicMonkey*]

I wonder how many people actually think this is just one down year for Callahan and that he will continue to produce and play close to his prime for the next 4 years at least. If he can do that then based on his past as a ranger I'd be happy in the end and think he'd be worth a 6 x 6 contract. Problem is I don't think we'll get more than 2 seasons into his contract before it nosedives

No faith in that happening, at all.

He's injured too often, his body isn't big enough to handle the way he plays. He isn't skilled enough to change the way he plays and still be effective.

He wants 7 million and 7 per? Then he needs to be traded.

Heck, i'd trade him even if his demands came down to what Girardi (who is infinitely more valuabe as a player) just signed for. Cally just doesn't have the durability to commit long-term to him.

 

[silverfish]

I have yet to read a realistic logical reason why Tampa Bay would hand us St. Louis for Callahan (unsigned with dilusions of self worth) and a middling prospect and pick for this greatest player you describe? Especially when they are in the middle of contending for their Division's title?

Because it would please you as a Rangers fan isn't a valid answer.

Dylan McIlrath is a good prospect, and hes tough as nails, he's also not as intelligent a player as say, Skjei, who IMO has a real future as a professional, its uncertain what sort of player McIlrath can be in the NHL. He can fight, can he handle the NHL in his own end?

Yzerman repeatdely said he will not trade St. Louis for Callahan. But you know better? It doesn't matter if he asked for a trade, it doesn't matter that he specifically asked to go to the Rangers. Yzerman doesn't HAVE TO accomodate him. He has one more year left on his contract. Is he going to protest and refuse to play? Yzerman can hold onto him until the contract expires if he felt inclined to.

The Rangers want St. Louis, they can wait until summer 2015 and sign him.

Furthermore, why wouldn't Yzerman demand a huge return? Because you want St. Louis for less, isn't a valid response.

There is NO real reason for Yzerman to trade St. louis, at all. Not for a rental. Not for an underwhelming return. Not while they're a real contender in the East, not while he's under contract for another year. NO valid real reason.

Take the Ranger goggles off and see things from the other team's point-of-view.

St. Louis, while having the right mix of size, grit, center depth, and offensive defenseman, that all REAL contenders have, is a pipe dream.

This team lacks core fundamental pieces. A- No legit #1 center. B- No legit offensive defenesman. C- No size and no grit to withstand a long playoff run.

But, i'm the dilusional one suggesting to add Stafford (don't give a **** if ee don't it was a suggestion) and McGinn types to add size on the wings, scoring depth, and some guts.

Dilusions of grandeur that St. Louis puts us over the top of the likes of Boston, Pittsburgh(make all the jokes about their D and Fleury you want, he won a Cup and got to the finals twice), Anaheim, Chicago, STL, LA, SJ, even Tampa.

Can barely breathe with all the words you're putting into my mouth.

• I never said we can get St. Louis for just Callahan. I said it will take a prospect and a pick. I don't think it will take someone like Miller or Skjei. I do think that pick will be a first-rounder though.
• Previously in this thread I have stated targeting Chris Stewart would be a good pickup. I have no qualms with adding size to the Rangers, but it needs to be size that can play. Stafford isn't what he used to be. I watch the Sabres quite a bit - he's been an enigma for the most part up until the past 10 games.
• If this team does lack core-fundamental pieces as you're saying - how does trading four good pieces for Stafford a good idea? Clearly, you'd rather go for the restock than the push. Adding Stafford negates that.
• Believe me, I don't wear Rangers goggles.
• Why wouldn't Yzerman demand a large return? He certainly could, but if St. Louis has truly requested a trade, and will ONLY go to the Rangers, the ball is in Sather's court for the most part. Of course Yzerman can hold on to St. Louis if he doesn't get the pieces he wants from Sather, but don't believe for a second that Sather will come knocking on Yzerman's door, knowing these facts, throwing pieces like Callahan, Miller, Skjei, or even Hagelin and Stepan to the Lightning.
• I maintain my fact based argument on why Drew Stafford is not the player he was, even though you chose to ignore that part of my post, and deal in personal opinion rather than anything of substance.
• I do not think the Rangers are as close to a true cup competitor as you may believe I do. However, I do believe they are closer than you think they are.

Thanks.

 

[AHB*]

I don't think you can keep giving away 1st rounders.

That's a recipe for disaster in this cap world, especially when you're trading them for 39 year olds.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

What about Drew Stafford?

Callahan + Kristo + McIlrath + 2nd
for
Stafford + McBain

Are you kidding?

What a horrendous deal for us. Oh my God. That would be one of the worst trades of all time for us. I wouldn't move Callahan alone for that package let alone adding in our top prospects AND a pick. Holy crap.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I don't think you can keep giving away 1st rounders.

That's a recipe for disaster in this cap world, especially when you're trading them for 39 year olds.

Fabiooooo <3

 

[I Eat Crow]

Are you kidding?

What a horrendous deal for us. Oh my God. That would be one of the worst trades of all time for us. I wouldn't move Callahan alone for that package let alone adding in our top prospects AND a pick. Holy crap.

Yeah man, he spelled Girgensons and Myers wrong.

That's one of the more out there proposals I've seen lately, I give it that.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Are you kidding?

What a horrendous deal for us. Oh my God. That would be one of the worst trades of all time for us. I wouldn't move Callahan alone for that package let alone adding in our top prospects AND a pick. Holy crap.

We have found Drew Stafford's #1 fan

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

The ball in not in Sather's court. This isn't some prima we are talking about. St. Louis isn't going to stop playing. Therefore, Yzerman doesn't have to move him.

Callahan, a prospect, and #1 isn't getting it done. If it was, it would have happened. You are essentially asking Tampa to take no roster player, a middling prospect, and a bottom half 1st round pick for future HOF St. Louis?

Tampa isn't giving Callahan 7 years at 6+ per. So they would be getting no NHL roster player in return past this spring. Its a negative return.

And, they are in the middle of contending for their Division title.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Yeah man, he spelled Girgensons and Myers wrong.

That's one of the more out there proposals I've seen lately, I give it that.

It's just so bad. Almost makes me think dude is a Sabres fan. Laughable proposal.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The ball in not in Sather's court. This isn't some prima we are talking about. St. Louis isn't going to stop playing. Therefore, Yzerman doesn't have to move him.

Callahan, a prospect, and #1 isn't getting it done. If it was, it would have happened. You are essentially asking Tampa to take no roster player, a middling prospect, and a bottom half 1st round pick for future HOF St. Louis?

Tampa isn't giving Callahan 7 years at 6+ per. So they would be getting no NHL roster player in return past this spring. Its a negative return.

And, they are in the middle of contending for their Division title.

This is all true and I agree 100%.

Wonder how that crazy Stafford proposal came out of a guy that wrote this.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I'd honestly look to sign Ott and Downie in the offseason. And re-sign Carcillo. A bottom 6 with Ott, Downie, Carcillo and Dorsett. It makes the Rangers tougher, and harder to play against. Oh wait a Torts is gone.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

This is all true and I agree 100%.

Wonder how that crazy Stafford proposal came out of a guy that wrote this.

He also went from insulting St. Louis to writing this.

 

[silverfish]

The ball in not in Sather's court. This isn't some prima we are talking about. St. Louis isn't going to stop playing. Therefore, Yzerman doesn't have to move him.

Callahan, a prospect, and #1 isn't getting it done. If it was, it would have happened. You are essentially asking Tampa to take no roster player, a middling prospect, and a bottom half 1st round pick for future HOF St. Louis?

Tampa isn't giving Callahan 7 years at 6+ per. So they would be getting no NHL roster player in return past this spring. Its a negative return.

And, they are in the middle of contending for their Division title.

• The ball is, and is not in Sather's court. If Yzerman is fielding calls for St. Louis, he's ONLY fielding them from the Rangers. That puts the ball in Sather's court, especially if Sather is not completely sold on St. Louis. Sather can say, Hey Steve - you want Callahan, Duclair, and a 1st rounder for Marty? Yzerman can say no. And Sather can say okay, let me know if you change your mind. In a nutshell, if St. Louis is going to be moved - Sather is only negotiating against himself.
• You're certainly right, Tampa isn't giving Callahan 7 years and that money. Perhaps they value the prospect and pick, and the quarter-year of Callahan+Playoff run more than keeping St. Louis around? Perhaps.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'd honestly look to sign Ott and Downie in the offseason. And re-sign Carcillo. A bottom 6 with Ott, Downie, Carcillo and Dorsett. It makes the Rangers tougher, and harder to play against. Oh wait a Torts is gone.

It would also be hedging bets (again) when it comes to roster construction. Thats not the type of team this one is becoming.

In fact, I think dressing both Dorsett and Carcillo yesterday was a big mistake. I thought the Rangers carried large swaths of the play when they weren't worried about getting into the chirping and BS that the Flyers wanted.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

• The ball is, and is not in Sather's court. If Yzerman is fielding calls for St. Louis, he's ONLY fielding them from the Rangers. That puts the ball in Sather's court, especially if Sather is not completely sold on St. Louis. Sather can say, Hey Steve - you want Callahan, Duclair, and a 1st rounder for Marty? Yzerman can say no. And Sather can say okay, let me know if you change your mind. In a nutshell, if St. Louis is going to be moved - Sather is only negotiating against himself.
• You're certainly right, Tampa isn't giving Callahan 7 years and that money. Perhaps they value the prospect and pick, and the quarter-year of Callahan+Playoff run more than keeping St. Louis around? Perhaps.

I really disagree.

Yzerman may be forced to trade MSL to one team, but he also has the luxury of not having to trade him at all in his back pocket.

Even if its only the Rangers, he'll be looking to extract that same value as he'd receive if 29 other teams were on the table.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Are you kidding?

What a horrendous deal for us. Oh my God. That would be one of the worst trades of all time for us. I wouldn't move Callahan alone for that package let alone adding in our top prospects AND a pick. Holy crap.

Its infinitely more realistic than thinking Steve Yzerman is going to hand over his future hall of fame captain for peanuts.

If trading an expiring contract, a defenseman that may never be able to handle the NHL pace in hisnown end, an undersized scorer at the AHL level, who despite the Rangers need for scoring depth hasn't been given even a look, and a a low second round pick, for two NHL players that can contrubute now and next season, at least...is the "wost in historiesszzzzzzz" in your opinion, you must be a very young fan.

Imagine how Tampa would feel trading their Hall of Fame captain for an expiring contract-injury ladel-dilusions of self worth Callahan, middling prospect, and low 1st rounder...where does that rank in their "worstest evorsszzzzzz".

 

[silverfish]

I really disagree.

Yzerman may be forced to trade MSL to one team, but he also has the luxury of not having to trade him at all in his back pocket.

Even if its only the Rangers, he'll be looking to extract that same value as he'd receive if 29 other teams were on the table.

I. Said. That.

 

[eco's bones]

Wonderful. We all love MSL.

But, in reality, we don't know how much it will take to nab him before the deadline. Sure seems like its alot, sure seems like its much more than Callahan the rental.

A fair analysis--and probably not worthwhile in what the Rangers would have to add to Callahan to get MSL.

With respect--I was commenting though on the relative merits of MSL (for however many more years he lasts) vis-a-vis the future prospects of one Drew Stafford and to say that MSL is by far a much more valuable commodity (even being a much older player) is not really much of a reach--but that's an opinion.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Its infinitely more realistic than thinking Steve Yzerman is going to hand over his future hall of fame captain for peanuts.

If trading an expiring contract, a defenseman that may never be able to handle the NHL pace in hisnown end, an undersized scorer at the AHL level, who despite the Rangers need for scoring depth hasn't been given even a look, and a a low second round pick, for two NHL players that can contrubute now and next season, at least...is the "wost in historiesszzzzzzz" in your opinion, you must be a very young fan.

Imagine how Tampa would feel trading their Hall of Fame captain for an expiring contract-injury ladel-dilusions of self worth Callahan, middling prospect, and low 1st rounder...where does that rank in their "worstest evorsszzzzzz".

Theres a spot in between deals that are totally good for the Rangers and totally awful for the Rangers.

Drew Stafford stinks.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

A fair analysis--and probably not worthwhile in what the Rangers would have to add to Callahan to get MSL.

With respect--I was commenting though on the relative merits of MSL (for however many more years he lasts) vis-a-vis the future prospects of one Drew Stafford and to say that MSL is by far a much more valuable commodity (even being a much older player) is not really much of a reach--but that's an opinion.

Gotcha.

Yes, I think a 50 year old MSL would be more valuable than Drew Stafford.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Its infinitely more realistic than thinking Steve Yzerman is going to hand over his future hall of fame captain for peanuts.

If trading an expiring contract, a defenseman that may never be able to handle the NHL pace in hisnown end, an undersized scorer at the AHL level, who despite the Rangers need for scoring depth hasn't been given even a look, and a a low second round pick, for two NHL players that can contrubute now and next season, at least...is the "wost in historiesszzzzzzz" in your opinion, you must be a very young fan.

Imagine how Tampa would feel trading their Hall of Fame captain for an expiring contract-injury ladel-dilusions of self worth Callahan, middling prospect, and low 1st rounder...where does that rank in their "worstest evorsszzzzzz".

No. It's not "infinitely more realistic" to think we would move that for the garbage you proposed. Sorry.

Minus your misplaced sarcasm (the only one with any right to mock is me and anyone who disagrees with your proposal), I honestly question whether you have any semblance of value at all for non-roster players.

If thinking trading our captain, two top prospects, and a good pick for crap makes me young, I'd say it makes you an Alzheimer's case.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

This is all true and I agree 100%.

Wonder how that crazy Stafford proposal came out of a guy that wrote this.

Because despite how great offensively St. Louis is, and how nice a guy he is, he is not the kind of player the Rangers need to be investing in.

He's incrdibly small. Rangers don't need to be getting any smaller.

He's 38. The Rangers don't need to be investing a handful of assets into a guy who is at the end of his career.

The Lighning don't have to trade him.

Stafford could play this and next year, and resign, or be used as a trade chip at the deadline, and he's young enough to hold value in a trade.

It's not that difficult to figure it out.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Because despite how great offensively St. Louis is, and how nice a guy he is, he is not the kind of player the Rangers need to be investing in.

He's incrdibly small. Rangers don't need to be getting any smaller.

He's 38. The Rangers don't need to be investing a handful of assets into a guy who is at the end of his career.

The Lighning don't have to trade him.

Stafford could play this and next year, and resign, or be used as a trade chip at the deadline, and he's young enough to hold value in a trade.

It's not that difficult to figure it out.

No, I assure you it is - simply because MSL is SO MUCH of a better player than Stafford.

I see the makings of a theory in here -- but I cant believe Drew Stafford is the counterpoint.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Because despite how great offensively St. Louis is, and how nice a guy he is, he is not the kind of player the Rangers need to be investing in.

He's incrdibly small. Rangers don't need to be getting any smaller.

He's 38. The Rangers don't need to be investing a handful of assets into a guy who is at the end of his career.

The Lighning don't have to trade him.

Stafford could play this and next year, and resign, or be used as a trade chip at the deadline, and he's young enough to hold value in a trade.

It's not that difficult to figure it out.

I'd like a cite for the end of his career quip. Most people believe he will play into his 40s like Ray Sheppard. There is likely another 4 or so years of high level play in St. Louis.

Also, Stafford sucks and I question your ability to evaluate talent if you think otherwise.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

No. It's not "infinitely more realistic" to think we would move that for the garbage you proposed. Sorry.

Minus your misplaced sarcasm (the only one with any right to mock is me and anyone who disagrees with your proposal), I honestly question whether you have any semblance of value at all for non-roster players.

If thinking trading our captain, two top prospects, and a good pick for crap makes me young, I'd say it makes you an Alzheimer's case.

The same captain that has completely priced himself out of logic? Two prospects, one of which may not have an NHL future, and a low 2nd...for two NHL players?