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So we should pay Callahan 6M a year for the next 6 years because he represents what the Rangers are?.. a mediocre franchise for how many years running now?
 
Dorsett has disappointed me greatly. Was SO happy when we acquired him last year, I though he could become another Prust for us. He is just not as versatile, though. Prust wasn't much bigger than Dorsett, but he was stronger and much tougher to knock off the puck.

Dorsett did reel himself in and he stopped taking bad penalties. It was my gripe to my dad when he first started playing last playoffs/this season. For someone who has been in the league as long as he has, he was still taking unnecessary penalties bc he went a lil too far. He stopped that as the season has went on.

Additionally Dorsett is much better skater then Prust, (but Carcillo is an even better skater then Dorsett) Dorsett can play better hockey then them both. Prust was much more effective and defined his role. Most of you guys are comparing Dorsett to Prust. Before Dorsett got hurt, him, Boyle, and Moore were playing very well also.
 
I feel like slowly knocking my head against a wall repeatedly until the trade deadline on Wednesday. And then it might continue until July.

Most of the posters on this board are banging their heads against a wall right now. Have been.

Im not talking about you personally. Im talking about the general consensus here.
 
In an ideal world, as a member of this team, Cally should be able to see how much Girardi does for this team and realize that he shouldn't get 1-1.5m more per year. Realistically, I know that's not how these things work and I don't expect Callahan to sign for less.

I agree
 
In an ideal world ????

In an ideal world our idiot GM would have made space for these signings YEARS ago by not pushing the cap to its limits.

Ha, ideal world in Rangerland.....
 
Plus one. Not that he is completely useless, but I had hoped for more of a Chris Neil type of precense...

anyone see what Neil did to Franzen last night. Wow that was something. Franzen wanted none of it, he basically went limp and Neil almost did it, Neil almost assaulted him.

For everyone who wants Neil. and I don't know who does. This guy is a loon, he's a hypocrite. A religious man who thinks his creator is ok with him hurting and assaulting other living beings.

You must be a nut if you are both a religious fanatic and into hurting people.
 
In an ideal world ????

In an ideal world our idiot GM would have made space for these signings YEARS ago by not pushing the cap to its limits.

Ha, ideal world in Rangerland.....

the Rangers have the space to sign Callahan to the stupid deal he wants and still upgrade the team, doesn't mean he should.
 
Moore is a UFA, the 1st would always be required in a big deal, and many many Ranger fans aren't high on Mcilrath and believe that was a waste of a pick.

A 1st is not always required.

Why do so many fans want to keep trading away any sort of future for this team....

And I don't care that Rangers fans aren't high on McIlrath. D-Men take longer to develop, that's a fact. We've been spoiled with the fast progression of guys like MDZ, McD and Staal. Generally, D-Men don't hit their true stride until their mid-20's.

See: Chris Pronger.

McIlrath has the talent to be a force for us. He also fills a major need. Throwing him in with a 1st for MSL is Pejorative Slured.

If MSL was 29, sure. Not 39.
 
Garioch writes that the Stars might try and move Eric Cole. If the price is right I'm definitely interested.

Yes he is older than the sun, but he's a physical force and only has one year left on a reasonable deal.

Thoughts?
 
Also, when was the last time trading for or signing an old player like MSL worked out for us?

Gretzky?
 
Richards is on pace for a 58 point season. A cap hit of nearly $7M should give the Rangers more than 58 points. The Rangers need more production for that kind of money. If you look at the numbers,Richards is on pace for worse year than last season. He was on pace for 60 points in the lockout. 34 points in 46 games. 15 goals and 28 assists in 61 games this season. His point totals are dropping every year. 91 to 77 to 66 to 60 to 58. $57M in the first 6 years of the contract. $9.5M AAV. Not even close.

40. 2020.

There are no good options with the Rangers. Its the best bad option. 1994 Forever.

If Richards is kept, I agree with your assessment on the Front Office. everything else you could say is rationally what they believe is the best way to make this team a cup winner in the next 5 years.

Richards staying states, they is someone at the wheel, going off-course every time you think the rangers have their route mapped out and are sailing straight ahead.
 
A 1st is not always required.

Why do so many fans want to keep trading away any sort of future for this team....

And I don't care that Rangers fans aren't high on McIlrath. D-Men take longer to develop, that's a fact. We've been spoiled with the fast progression of guys like MDZ, McD and Staal. Generally, D-Men don't hit their true stride until their mid-20's.

See: Chris Pronger.

McIlrath has the talent to be a force for us. He also fills a major need. Throwing him in with a 1st for MSL is Pejorative Slured.

If MSL was 29, sure. Not 39.

I think it's an indication of what it was like to root for this team before 1994. Human nature is to want to win now, and the closer you are to winning now with talent that feels homegrown, the more tempted people will be to deal everyone for a proven veteran performer.
 
I think it's an indication of what it was like to root for this team before 1994. Human nature is to want to win now, and the closer you are to winning now with talent that feels homegrown, the more tempted people will be to deal everyone for a proven veteran performer.

in this hypothetical case, Mcilrath isn't dealing ëveryone"
 
Also, when was the last time trading for or signing an old player like MSL worked out for us?

Gretzky?

I always viewed Shanahan as a good signing. It was back in 2006 but I don't recall him taking a tremendous amount of cap space. Jagr was also still on the team. If I recall correctly, Shanahan played as well or as better than expected for a player his age.
 

Jagr was really only 31 when we got him. I guess you could count him though.

MSL is 8 years older then Jagr was. That's a pretty significant difference.

Also, there's a major difference in getting a guy like Jagr for practically free and trading 2 first round picks, a center off our roster and our 3rd line RW for one.

Shanahan was a good one. He was really good for us, simply because he shot the puck whenever he got it. Good catch.
 
Jagr was really only 31 when we got him. I guess you could count him though.

MSL is 8 years older then Jagr was. That's a pretty significant difference.

Also, there's a major difference in getting a guy like Jagr for practically free and trading 2 first round picks, a center off our roster and our 3rd line RW for one.

How's an even older Jagr doing now, at 42, when he shouldn't have to carry a team?
 
6.6 million for leading the team in scoring. He's doing his job. 1.6 million more than Ryan Clowe.

Rangers have three centers on pace for 50+ points. Three centers combined for an under 15 million cap hit.

Not ideal but not catastrophic. They won't win a Cup without a dominant center.

He's getting bought out. He wasn't that big of a disappointment.

oh yes he has been. Your expectations have dropped based upon what you've seen from him.

at first he was supposed to be the bonafide #1 center who has been a conn smythe winner

and peoples expectations of him having just kept dropping

He's on pace for 60 points this year. Have many have been on the PP. If you were to compare players with similar PP ice-time, (especially teams in the top 15 in PP ratings)


Its the same thing for Callahan and com parables to him. How many 30 goal scorers aren't PP players. You think its average to score 30 even strength goals a season. Maybe callahan's #s have been down this season bc the Powerplay heated up while he was coming back from injury and he hasn't gotten PP time until just recently.

Additionally with Richards, people talk about his point totals from last season, without mentioning the lucky run he had at the end of the season, where he scored like 6-7 fluke goals and padded his stats with a 20 point april.


The arguments here on this board, omit SOO many factors and facts and information.
 
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To be fair to Richards this season, he's looked better and most of his points have come on the PP because he's playing with Carl Hagelin and Ryan fking I can't score for **** Callahan.. AKA the **** line.
 
To be fair to Richards this season, he's looked better and most of his points have come on the PP because he's playing with Carl Hagelin and Ryan fking I can't score for **** Callahan.. AKA the **** line.

Last year he didn't even look like a hockey player. Richards has been much much better this year. Not good enough to justify his contract going forward. No way

Honestly I think Hags and Callahan;'s numbers have been a taken hit this year bc they are playing with richards even strength. Both dally and hags can push the pace, turn the ice. Richards can't he jump into the play on a rush if Cally or Hags are breaking into the zone. He tries, but he's not great along the boards when the other two are forechecking.

Richards/hags/cally is a responsible line, but it has its flaws and that flaw is Richards.

Honestly if you look at the line-up and how the team is playing. Is Richards not the one player, that sticks out as 'yeah we upgrade there'. I may Cally and Hags on the third line is stupid depth. If your considering PUo-brass-MZA the third league, well then its the best in the league.

If front office is looking to make a run and deciding where they could use an upgrade, its center ice. And step will be fine, he's doing fine, will need more if the rangers are gonna compete in may. Brass is playing very well. Richards is so-so
 
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