Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

It's a bit different because Stastny is healthier and a center, but I agree overall. Not interested in Stastny at what he'll command whatsoever.

Both are obv mistakes but
I'll take

Stastny at 6x7.5
over
Cally at 6x6

 

[Hunter Gathers]

We know.

 

[AHB*]

Injury prone is a subjective claim. Is Dustin Brown a franchise player? A year older than Callahan, $5.8 million cap hit till 2022. Relatively speaking, how much in NHL terms will $6 million be in 3-4 years? In 6 years? How have overpayment contracts really harmed the Rangers in the past, and how will this one harm them?

Maybe I'm the only one that cares, but I think the past is something this franchise should consider, since it has such a pathetic one overall. For once, maybe it behooves the Rangers to compensate a player that has earned it wearing their sweater, than spending that money on someone that hasn't. I have no doubt that should Callahan not be re-signed, the money used to pay him will be gone faster than you can say Stastny or whatever other player Sather will fall all over himself to wildly overpay.

Lets pay a guy for his past because he's been such a great Ranger. That's a road to success.

When this next hank contract is up and he's 40, we should just extend him another 9 years because he'll be the best goalie in Rangers history by a mile.

To bad we couldn't give him 16 years this year.

 

[Barnaby]

7M for a center who can put up 60+ points or 6M for a 3rd line RW who can't even hit 50? the choice is not difficult.

I just don't like Stastny that much. He's having a great year this year (contract year, coincidence?). Otherwise, he seems like a 55-60 point guy. Considering Cally's impact on the club, then you can make an argument that 7.5 mill for Stastny is just as much as an overpayment as 6 million for Cally.

Frankly, I pass on both. I'd rather sign Vanek, and make a trade for a solid center if those are our only options…

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Oh boy, way too much emotion. "The past is something we should consider"? How is that going to help us win cups. Maybe we should sign Messier and Leetch too, just ridiculous thinking. The past doesn't matter, it's in the past.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I just don't like Stastny that much. He's having a great year this year (contract year, coincidence?). Otherwise, he seems like a 55-60 point guy. Considering Cally's impact on the club, then you can make an argument that 7.5 mill for Stastny is just as much as an overpayment as 6 million for Cally.

Frankly, I pass on both. I'd rather sign Vanek, and make a trade for a solid center if those are our only options…

but he's also not the Avs first center that I know of is he?.. so could he have more points playing with Nash and Kreider as the 1c?.. I'm not a HUGE fan of him,m but I think he would be a big time upgrade over what we currently have..

trading for a center is interesting, but who and at what price?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Oh boy, way too much emotion. "The past is something we should consider"? How is that going to help us win cups. Maybe we should sign Messiah and Leetch too, just ridiculous thinking. The past doesn't matter, it's in the past.

I bet they could still play

 

[AHB*]

I just don't like Stastny that much. He's having a great year this year (contract year, coincidence?). Otherwise, he seems like a 55-60 point guy. Considering Cally's impact on the club, then you can make an argument that 7.5 mill for Stastny is just as much as an overpayment as 6 million for Cally.

Frankly, I pass on both. I'd rather sign Vanek, and make a trade for a solid center if those are our only options…

No one was advocating for Stastny, just saying, if we're going to blow 6 million on Callahan, we'd rather have Stastny.

I think the overall consensus is to not sign either of those guys and wait for the proper opportunities to rear their heads.

Not sold on Vanek either. He's a good player, but we need to focus on centers, our wings are fine.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The worst thing that this franchise can do is give people money as a thank you for what they were. Disgusting thinking.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The worst thing that this franchise can do is give people money as a thank you for what they were. Disgusting thinking.

hey, the Yankees do it all the time.

 

[AHB*]

hey, the Yankees do it all the time.

We've been doing it for years. Just not with our own players. With guys who screw us with 7 seconds to go.

Or guys who win cups on our biggest rivals.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

The worst thing that this franchise can do is give people money as a thank you for what they were. Disgusting thinking.

I agree completely! We only do that for other team's former stars for an even greater sum!

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I agree completely! We only do that for other team's former stars for an even greater sum!

Except we have an up close and personal look at Callahan and what he's like in this system. At least with guys like Redden you may hope that he needs a change of scenery.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

hey, the Yankees do it all the time.

Jeter to Cashman: "yeah I've won 5 World Series titles, pay me."

Callahan to Sather: " yeah I've won 5 extra effort awards, pay me."

 

[SA16]

hey, the Yankees do it all the time.

With no salary cap you can do w/e you want and it doesn't really matter provided a large enough budget.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't think Sather should even make an attempt to keep Callahan. I don't think he is a good player anymore.

Take the best offer that you can get for him even if its a bad offer.

 

[AHB*]

Jeter to Cashman: "yeah I've won 5 World Series titles, pay me."

Callahan to Sather: " yeah I've won 5 extra effort awards, pay me."

Hey don't knock those! Jed Ortmeyer won a few!! They're telling!

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Jeter to Cashman: "yeah I've won 5 World Series titles, pay me."

Callahan to Sather: " yeah I've won 5 extra effort awards, pay me."

sounds about right.

 

[Barnaby]

but he's also not the Avs first center that I know of is he?.. so could he have more points playing with Nash and Kreider as the 1c?.. I'm not a HUGE fan of him,m but I think he would be a big time upgrade over what we currently have..

trading for a center is interesting, but who and at what price?

Duchene is #1. Stastny has been around long enough - we know what he is. He's probably a slight upgrade to Richards at the moment, but he'd be better long term being as he'll be 29 I believe… I think Stepan and Stastny would be pretty interchangeable as your top 2 centers. They would both fit that better than a #2, but not an ideal #1 center mold.

I think trading for a centerman in the offseason would be a possibility. I don't really know who would be available, but there will most likely be some names out there. You aren't looking at a true #1, but as I said above, I don't think Stastny is that guy either. I'm fine with paying elite players elite money - it's the good players getting elite money that scare me - which is why I'd feel more comfortable with a guy like Vanek. I'd feel much more confident in getting full value there… I'd prefer to slot guys around top players.

Paying good players elite money doesn't make them elite. I just think of the Gomez/Drury deals when I consider Stastny.

 

[aufheben]

Oh boy, way too much emotion. "The past is something we should consider"? How is that going to help us win cups. Maybe we should sign Messier and Leetch too, just ridiculous thinking. The past doesn't matter, it's in the past.

Yeah, what could the past possibly have to teach us?

I agree we shouldn't do something like re-sign Cally based on the past though.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Injury prone is a subjective claim. Is Dustin Brown a franchise player? A year older than Callahan, $5.8 million cap hit till 2022. Relatively speaking, how much in NHL terms will $6 million be in 3-4 years? In 6 years? How have overpayment contracts really harmed the Rangers in the past, and how will this one harm them?

Brown is healthier, more durable, has a longer track record of producing in both the regular season and playoffs, and has captained his team to a cup, while playing a big role along the way.

I am not a fan of Dustin Brown in anyway, shape, or form, but he is worth that contract more so than Callahan is worth 6x6, IMO. Mainly because I think Callahan's play will continue to decline rather than improve, as opposed to Brown who I think has a better chance of sustaining a decent production clip while being a physical presence, and a solid playoff performer.

I really don't see how him being injury prone is a subjective claim. He has missed numerous games over numerous spans with injuries, and he played 41 games + playoffs with a torn labrum (which has to be the absolute stupidest decision he has ever made in his entire career). Add in the fact that he will always be at risk to injury with the style he plays, and committing to him for six years at that price is far, far from ideal, regardless of what he has done in the past.

Maybe I'm the only one that cares, but I think the past is something this franchise should consider, since it has such a pathetic one overall. For once, maybe it behooves the Rangers to compensate a player that has earned it wearing their sweater, than spending that money on someone that hasn't. I have no doubt that should Callahan not be re-signed, the money used to pay him will be gone faster than you can say Stastny or whatever other player Sather will fall all over himself to wildly overpay.

Sting, I love you man, and always respect what you have to say, but you are letting your personal admiration for Callahan cloud your judgment. You know I've always been a big supporter of Callahan over the years, but he simply looks like a different player this year, and hints of decline in his overall game were on display last season, IMO. People didn't talk about it as much because he had the numbers. He has had neither the numbers nor the overall play this season, and he has been in and out of the lineup with injuries.

Yes, he meant a great deal to this team for a good four year span at the peak of his game. No, I do not think we will ever see Callahan be that effective again, nor do I think anything he has done for this team justifies giving him a contract based off past performances. Callahan isn't Hank.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I think the more underlying issue is this team's inability to draft high end talent. Sure they've found enough middle of the lineup guys, but they really lack difference makers. That's why it seems every year we go out and overpay for complimentary players. And then we pray they turn into world beaters. If Bobby Ryan can't spell intensity, I'd like to know what Stepan can spell

 

[Thirty One]

I think the more underlying issue is this team's inability to draft high end talent. Sure they've found enough middle of the lineup guys, but they really lack difference makers. That's why it seems every year we go out and overpay for complimentary players. And then we pray they turn into world beaters. If Bobby Ryan can't spell intensity, I'd like to know what Stepan can spell

I think the Rangers should draft more players that turn out to be top-end talent.

 

[Barnaby]

No one was advocating for Stastny, just saying, if we're going to blow 6 million on Callahan, we'd rather have Stastny.

I think the overall consensus is to not sign either of those guys and wait for the proper opportunities to rear their heads.

Not sold on Vanek either. He's a good player, but we need to focus on centers, our wings are fine.

I've seen people advocating for Stastny all over the last few weeks. I was just voicing my take on it.

I agree - neither are the type of guys you should be locking in to long term mega deals.

Vaneks not my favorite, but of the players mentioned, I think he's the only guy whose potentially worth the money. As I said in another post - I'll pay elite guys elite money.

You want to focus on center - so do we all. What's your plan? Unfortunately, it's overpay for Stastny, keep Richards, or make a trade in the offseason (realistically noting that you aren't bringing back the elusive #1 center).

 

[AHB*]

I don't think Sather should even make an attempt to keep Callahan. I don't think he is a good player anymore.

Take the best offer that you can get for him even if its a bad offer.

I'm trending towards this as well. he's not a "bad player" but get what you can for him and move on. I don't want to see him signed and I don't want to see us get nothing for him. Take a low 1st or a decent prospect.

There will certainly be a team willing to pony up something decent for him on deadline day. I have no doubt. Every year we see teams pay for guys like this. Hell, we see our team pay 2nd rounders out the wazoo, like they grow on trees for players lesser then cally.