Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVI: G Staying Put.

[Boruto]

Nash isn't untouchable.

But again, if you are going to trade Nash, you get the MOST that you can.

Let me show you a logic game.

Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Rick Nash.

Rick Nash for Ryan Kesler.

=

Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Ryan Kesler. Would you make that trade?

weird logic is weird.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Is Moore tradeable? Not sure why Stralman has to leave when Moore is probably the reason they're looking at Vatanen?

I would think it's because Stralman is an UFA, Moore is an RFA.

Stralman is a R, Moore is a L, and Anaheim has Fowler and Lindholm on the left side.

Anaheim is 1st in the NHL, and would probably want a veteran defenseman, not a young, developing defenseman. If they wanted that, they can just keep Vatanen and let him develop.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Stralman has also stepped it up in the playoffs in his two years here. He was a monster in that Washington series two years ago and last year when he went down was when Boston truly turned the tide.

That being said. I'd try to keep Stralman and resign him for a reasonable deal unless Anaheim wants to really overpay for him. Rangers have money to sign him, I don't buy they don't. Buy out Richards and Stralman, Pouliot, and the entire fourth line are back.

If Cally doesn't want to sign a reasonable deal then see if Anaheim would do Vatanen and one of Etem/Smith-Pelly/Raakell for Cally/J. Moore/Dorsett and throw in a small sweetener like a Calle Anderson or a B level prospect.

Cally plus a bit should get Vatenen and Etem but prob is I believe the salary we're taking back won't offset Anaheim's new Cally cost.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

if the Ducks move Vatanen they need Stralman back with Cally. Etem would be a good pick up for NY.

Not sure if the Ducks want Cally as Vatenen was likely a target for Girardi

I agree except then Boomer says that Girardi has nothing to do with Vatenen. If that's the case, pursue it.

 

[Doctyl]

Can someone give me some info on Vatenen? He seems like he would be a good pickup.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Nash has $32M owed to him over the next four years. Its not easy to move that contract. The Rangers put all of their eggs in that basket. Player has no proven track record in the playoffs. The Rangers will need him to score 13-15 goals in the playoffs for them to win anything. Where are the other players? Many of them have struggled. Kreider has a good playoff history. They can't expect Kreider to score every big goal.

Most of these players' playoffs history consists of games amounting to less than half of a regular season.

I agree that many have been underwhelming, but the presumption that they will continue to fail in the playoffs is unfair. Because the same people (not you in particular) that have been saying such things are NOT saying that Derick Brassard and Brian Boyle are dynamite playoff performers? Why? It's the same concept. If you are going to presume that Player X will continue to perform the same way he has in the playoffs, you should also presume that Player Y will as well, under similar circumstances.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Nash isn't untouchable.

But again, if you are going to trade Nash, you get the MOST that you can.

Let me show you a logic game.

Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Rick Nash.

Rick Nash for Ryan Kesler.

=

Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Ryan Kesler. Would you make that trade?

I'll give you 5 Lincoln's for 3 Hamiltons, then I'll give you those 3 Hamiltons back for 2 Jackson's. You can fund your transactions by letting a third party hold on to 40 washingtons. So after your deals, you go to get your washingtons back and receive only 10 plus the first loss on the original transactions.....it's a CDO I'm packaging called Howson-3.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Can someone give me some info on Vatenen? He seems like he would be a good pickup.

Very good skater, very good passer, has an absolute ROCKET from the point. PP QB material for sure.

His downside is he's slightly undersized and can get out muscled for the puck in his own zone. The bigger ogres of the East like Lucic and Hartnell can abuse him in trench situations. And his decision making with the puck isn't perfect either, not horrible but he's also a rookie.

His peak is probably as a top four PP QB and if he's paired with a stay at homer, he could be just fine.

 

[silverfish]

Is this Vatanen topic rumors or just speculation by the board?

 

[AlternateSideParking]

The current Rangers roster (when healthy) is pretty balanced. They're disciplined outside of Kreider and Miller.

They were exposed in the 3rd period the other night. Granted they had a 1-0 lead so it was expected, but teams with skill in depth will give them problems in a seven game series.

They can survive without Callahan. His time on the PP can be replaced. On the PK is dependent on who replaces him.

Theres never been a better time to trade him. They can compete and add an asset or two at the same time.

 

[Doctyl]

Very good skater, very good passer, has an absolute ROCKET from the point. PP QB material for sure.

His downside is he's slightly undersized and can get out muscled for the puck in his own zone. The bigger ogres of the East like Lucic and Hartnell can abuse him in trench situations. And his decision making with the puck isn't perfect either, not horrible but he's also a rookie.

His peak is probably as a top four PP QB and if he's paired with a stay at homer, he could be just fine.

So could he be the offensive dman we need? Does he play the right or left? I wonder what the ducks would trade him for.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

The 1993-94 Devils were thisclose to beating the Rangers. Jersey would have beaten VAN. Their 1995 team had a money player like Lemieux who had 13 goals in the playoffs that season. In 1986,he sunk the Rangers. On the Rangers,who is putting the puck in the net? Nash was a ghost in the playoffs. All of these teams which win have a player or two to score some huge goals. Marchand was huge for Boston in 2011. The Rangers have players who have played in at least 2 or 3 playoffs who have disappeared in the spring.

 

[OverTheCap]

Most of these players' playoffs history consists of games amounting to less than half of a regular season.

I agree that many have been underwhelming, but the presumption that they will continue to fail in the playoffs is unfair. Because the same people (not you in particular) that have been saying such things are NOT saying that Derick Brassard and Brian Boyle are dynamite playoff performers? Why? It's the same concept. If you are going to presume that Player X will continue to perform the same way he has in the playoffs, you should also presume that Player Y will as well, under similar circumstances.

Because we have seen that Brassard and Boyle playing well in the playoffs is not enough. Your best players need to play their best in the playoffs. Boyle and Brassard can continue to succeed in the playoffs but it won't matter if Nash scores one goal and Stepan and Richards combine for a whopping 6 points through 2 playoff series. This team is in trouble if they have to rely on the likes of Boyle and Brassard to carry them offensively while the top forwards are mediocre or struggling.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Is this Vatanen topic rumors or just speculation by the board?

A little of both.

He's someone that folks like myself and BrianBoyle have been high on for a while. He's blocked by a numbers game in Anaheim where they have more than enough offensive defensemen - and in fact, he was recently sent down because he was the only 2-way, waiver free defenseman they had when Fistric returned. So, he makes sense as a trade chip for a contender.

And then Boomer did this:

Earlier in the week.

 

[Doctyl]

Seriously if he can do what he did last year again, we may have a guy who steps it up in the playoffs big time. We need one of those guys. If he can be a proven playoff guy, I think he is worth keeping even if we move him to the wing next time.

 

[NernieBichols]

Getting Kesler and MSL guarantees nothing. It improves the team on paper. Look at the Pens last season. Massive roster overhaul and they get stomped by a bigger, meaner team. Iginla and Morrow were invisible that series.

Jim Rutherford loves to make trades. The Canes are losing again. Ward sucks. Semin has a moronic contract. They are in cap hell. Erc Staal was drafted 11 years ago and they've made the playoffs twice. In those two playoffs he was dominant.

Staal is what the Rangers need. A big, strong, skilled franchise center. Jordan is still an exceptional teo-way center.

Forget MSL and Kesler. Get the Staal brothers. Unite them. Mcdonagh, Kreider and Henrik are the only untouchables.

that would be a dream. Id love the staal bros. Thats not happening, at least not now. If Marc resigns, better chance of that happening a couple years down the line when they are free agents again


Again Im weary of Kesler. But if management and AV are confident that Kesler's injury history (hips) is not a concern, I could see them being interested

 

[Made Dan]

Is this Vatanen topic rumors or just speculation by the board?

Pagnotta said the NYR were interested in him, and Boomer tweeted "Sami Vatanen" a few days ago.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Cally plus a bit should get Vatenen and Etem but prob is I believe the salary we're taking back won't offset Anaheim's new Cally cost.

Disagree that Cally lands both without us adding. Regardless, how they fit him next year isn't our problem. They get him got their playoff run and they can pursue a salary dumping trade to another team or in the offseason. They could also buy Souray out.

 

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

Cally plus a bit should get Vatenen and Etem but prob is I believe the salary we're taking back won't offset Anaheim's new Cally cost.

LOL you wouldn't even come close to Vatenen OR Etem for just cally... Do some research please, not everyone just wants to hand you their blue chippers for a 20 game rental

 

[NernieBichols]

Nash isn't untouchable.

But again, if you are going to trade Nash, you get the MOST that you can.

Let me show you a logic game.

Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Rick Nash.

Rick Nash for Ryan Kesler.

=

Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Ryan Kesler. Would you make that trade?

At is the time the trade was made, I think I would have traded for Kesler over Nash if he was available. At that time Kesler was a budding 40g C.

And I think the rangers gave up borderline too much for Nash, considering they had Howson over a barrel.

 

[Ola]

This is why you trade for MSL

Or not.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Ottawa is underachieving because Anderson has been horrid. They have a very strong core with depth. Some guys arent producing. Theres a rumor that Buffalo could possibly move Stewart and Moulson to Ottawa. How desperate are the Sens? They need a goalie.

Spezza is another option at center. Michalek plays RW. They can trade Brassard and Callahan to Ott. Maybe Talbot and Brassard for Spezza, then trade Callahan to Buffalo for Stewart and a draft pick.

Rangers need a big center.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't think a trade for MSL is a bad idea, but it all depends on what the price is. Like I said before, if they can move Callahan for pieces and then use SOME of those pieces, or others to bring him in, that's fine.

I think MSL plays for another few years at least.

A key piece coming back needs to be a center with size or a puck mover close to being NHL ready.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

That's because too often it's about handedness. A lefty can play that right side, but he has to PLAY the right side. You can't just put a guy there when he's never done it.

Of course you can. It happens every day in this league. What nonsense. Not everyone handles the change well, but it happens all the time. Regardless, I don't see how it impacts us keeping him until there's a fourth RHD in the mix, and I certainly don't count McI right now. My point was that I'd be fine moving Moore if another GM wanted him in a package that improved us and pursuing a bottom pair lefty elsewhere, who preferably has an offensive acumen.

 

[silverfish]

A little of both.

He's someone that folks like myself and BrianBoyle have been high on for a while. He's blocked by a numbers game in Anaheim where they have more than enough offensive defensemen - and in fact, he was recently sent down because he was the only 2-way, waiver free defenseman they had when Fistric returned. So, he makes sense as a trade chip for a contender.

And then Boomer did this:

Earlier in the week.

Interesting... He'd be a solid pickup no doubt. But is Stralman enough to get him now that G is locked up? I don't know...