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GregSirico said:
What about a trade of Paul Stastny for Anton Stralman? I would hate to lose Stralman but I think it's fair and helps both teams.
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Stastny's the more valuable player and I want him here in UFA as long as the bidding war isn't Dave Clarkson stuff but bringing him in for the playoffs doesn't do much. With him, Stepan, Richards and Brassard you play someone on the fourth line or you play someone on the wing. You're moving the defense a man down for a minimal benefit - and yeah, we'd have to add to Strals. I just don't see that trade working super-well for anybody.

Buying out Richards and signing Stastny in the summer is my New York Rangers Sophie's Choice center move. Maybe there's someone who's up for trade that we don't know about, but with what I know I think Stastny's the least bad option. I like him and while he's not perfect, neither is anything else on the market.
 
I Am Classless said:
Stastny's the more valuable player and I want him here in UFA as long as the bidding war isn't Dave Clarkson stuff but bringing him in for the playoffs doesn't do much. With him, Stepan, Richards and Brassard you play someone on the fourth line or you play someone on the wing. You're moving the defense a man down for a minimal benefit - and yeah, we'd have to add to Strals. I just don't see that trade working super-well for anybody.

Buying out Richards and signing Stastny in the summer is my New York Rangers Sophie's Choice center move. Maybe there's someone who's up for trade that we don't know about, but with what I know I think Stastny's the least bad option. I like him and while he's not perfect, neither is anything else on the market.
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That would be my ideal move but what if he's traded and signed before the deadline? Not many options available this summer.
 
Q: Boomer tweeted "Sami Vatanen" the other day ... I give him lots of credit as a source ... so say Rangers are in on Sami Vatanen, now with the core of the D locked up long term (aside from Staal -2Y), is Stralman the odd man out? Does he fetch back a nice return?
 
Perhaps I missed something during the 26,000 posts about Ryan Callahan,

but why would he sign with a team (buffalo) that's in a 2-3yr rebuilding process? He's going to block shots for Halak? In his prime.

I think the st louis trade means cally is staying with the rangers at least until the end of the season
 
GregSirico said:
Q: Boomer tweeted "Sami Vatanen" the other day ... I give him lots of credit as a source ... so say Rangers are in on Sami Vatanen, now with the core of the D locked up long term (aside from Staal -2Y), is Stralman the odd man out? Does he fetch back a nice return?
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I would just guess that Anaheim was in on Girardi and not Cally. They got a log-jam at wing.
 
azaloum90 said:
Another reason why Brad might remain on this team
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Brad will remain on the team unless someone feels that he is way to risky to keep on down the road. Not because we believe we could make a short term upgrade.

From my point of view, BR can go on LTIR when he is done.
 
The 1993-94 Devils were thisclose to beating the Rangers. Jersey would have beaten VAN. Their 1995 team had a money player like Lemieux who had 13 goals in the playoffs that season. In 1986,he sunk the Rangers. On the Rangers,who is putting the puck in the net? Nash was a ghost in the playoffs. All of these teams which win have a player or two to score some huge goals. Marchand was huge for Boston in 2011. The Rangers have players who have played in at least 2 or 3 playoffs who have disappeared in the spring.
 
GregSirico said:
What about a trade of Paul Stastny for Anton Stralman? I would hate to lose Stralman but I think it's fair and helps both teams.
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You realize we rip then off huge right? Btw Stastny won't be dealt Avs are good. Msl won't go this yr as tbay needs him. Think next yr on both as an option
 
RangerBoy said:
The 1993-94 Devils were thisclose to beating the Rangers. Jersey would have beaten VAN. Their 1995 team had a money player like Lemieux who had 13 goals in the playoffs that season. In 1986,he sunk the Rangers. On the Rangers,who is putting the puck in the net? Nash was a ghost in the playoffs. All of these teams which win have a player or two to score some huge goals. Marchand was huge for Boston in 2011. The Rangers have players who have played in at least 2 or 3 playoffs who have disappeared in the spring.
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The fans are too obsessed with prospects and home grown players to even consider acquiring veterans with resumes.

Look at the last few deadlines. Good GMs re-evaluate their teams mid-season and make adjustments. What adjustments has Sather made? The best team he's had was driven to the brink in back to back rounds before losing to an inferior team's 40 yeard old goalie and 4th line.

The 1992 team steamrolled everybody. Smith stood pat at the deadline and they were exposed in the playoffs when people knew how slow and undisciplined their defense was to handle Washington or Pittsburgh. The 1994 team was destroyed on national TV by the Blackhawks because they were small and avoided contact. The next day they got bigger, stronger and more experienced.

The current Rangers are small. Nash is no power forward. They will get pushed around just like the last eight seasons. Claude Lemiuex was a clutch power forward from a winning tradition.

But God forbid we trade Somebody young for a veteran. That 1994 Cup was so miserable. Such a depressing time.
 
RangerBoy said:
The 1993-94 Devils were thisclose to beating the Rangers. Jersey would have beaten VAN. Their 1995 team had a money player like Lemieux who had 13 goals in the playoffs that season. In 1986,he sunk the Rangers. On the Rangers,who is putting the puck in the net? Nash was a ghost in the playoffs. All of these teams which win have a player or two to score some huge goals. Marchand was huge for Boston in 2011. The Rangers have players who have played in at least 2 or 3 playoffs who have disappeared in the spring.
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Still blathering about 94? Many believe they would have handily beat NJ had Keene not traded away several
key players..

All the Rangers have is Nash and your killing him? How much playoff experience does he have? Didn't they say th same about Hossa? Why should he have to do it all alone? Isnt he set up to fail ?

I get that we need more scoring in addition to Nash...
 
Its funny how some of the same guys blasting me for hypothetically wondering out loud if sather would move for Nash for Kesler (if he could land St. Louis in a separate deal), spent all night talking about how the team can't win without more center ice depth and how there is none available (I don't know if keeler is that anymore) or the rangers aren't managed right bc they won't make a move to rectify it.

Classic tunnel vision
 
GWOW said:
The fans are too obsessed with prospects and home grown players to even consider acquiring veterans with resumes.

Look at the last few deadlines. Good GMs re-evaluate their teams mid-season and make adjustments. What adjustments has Sather made? The best team he's had was driven to the brink in back to back rounds before losing to an inferior team's 40 yeard old goalie and 4th line.

The 1992 team steamrolled everybody. Smith stood pat at the deadline and they were exposed in the playoffs when people knew how slow and undisciplined their defense was to handle Washington or Pittsburgh. The 1994 team was destroyed on national TV by the Blackhawks because they were small and avoided contact. The next day they got bigger, stronger and more experienced.

The current Rangers are small. Nash is no power forward. They will get pushed around just like the last eight seasons. Claude Lemiuex was a clutch power forward from a winning tradition.

But God forbid we trade Somebody young for a veteran. That 1994 Cup was so miserable. Such a depressing time.
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no problems making a trade for a vet. but it depends on the return.
i really didn't, and in hindsight still don't, like the gartner-for-anderson move.
but really liked and still like larmer-for-turcotte.
amonte-for-matteau is a push, i guess, based on 'matteau, matteau, matteau!'
weight-for-tikkanen, though, had to be done. perfect win-win scenario.
 
JPP412 said:
Its funny how some of the same guys blasting me for hypothetically wondering out loud if sather would move for Nash for Kesler (if he could land St. Louis in a separate deal), spent all night talking about how the team can't win without more center ice depth and how there is none available (I don't know if keeler is that anymore) or the rangers aren't managed right bc they won't make a move to rectify it.

Classic tunnel vision
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Trading Nash isn't the answer.... you're getting blasted for a reason here.

I like Kessler but he has hard miles on him. We need a young sniper for Callahan. We need scoring in addition to Nash not instead of....
 
NikC said:
Trading Nash isn't the answer.... you're getting blasted for a reason here.

I like Kessler but he has hard miles on him. We need a young sniper for Callahan. We need scoring in addition to Nash not instead of....
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I personally agree on Kesler.

And again in terms of Nash, Im not sold. So I don't think I view Nash like most of the board does. I know that might get someone some heat on this board. But don't pretend to me you haven't seen from Nash what I have. You wanna believe the the hot streaks are who he is and not the prolonged stretches where he looks like a shell. That's a cup half full or half empty kind of debate.

I laugh when people treat Nash like he is untouchable.
 
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GregSirico said:
Q: Boomer tweeted "Sami Vatanen" the other day ... I give him lots of credit as a source ... so say Rangers are in on Sami Vatanen, now with the core of the D locked up long term (aside from Staal -2Y), is Stralman the odd man out? Does he fetch back a nice return?
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my thought is LD is set with McD, Staal Moore. Not shocked if they deal Staal though
RD has Girardi and Klein signed so it leaves one spot

Yes Stralman has done a great job but he demand more then they want to pay as a UFA and they invested a 1st into McIlrath. I would think hes close to 3rd pairing duties. He gives them toughess

So do the Rangers sign Stralman and block McIlrath?
 
SkinneeJ said:
Perhaps I missed something during the 26,000 posts about Ryan Callahan,

but why would he sign with a team (buffalo) that's in a 2-3yr rebuilding process? He's going to block shots for Halak? In his prime.

I think the st louis trade means cally is staying with the rangers at least until the end of the season
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Because I believe that Buffalo may believe that every rebuild needs vet guidance, plus they are building a new arena I think and the homecoming of a local boy to be the face will get buts in seats partially until they have a good product. Their question is whether they wait until July 1 which comes at risk.
 
Is Moore tradeable? Not sure why Stralman has to leave when Moore is probably the reason they're looking at Vatanen?
 
JPP4121 said:
I personally agree on Kesler.

And again in terms of Nash, Im not sold. So I don't think I view Nash like most of the board does. I know that might get someone some heat on this board. But don't pretend to me you haven't seen from Nash what I have. You wanna believe the the hot streaks are who he is and not the prolonged stretches where he looks like a shell. That's a cup half full or half empty kind of debate.

I laugh when people treat Nash like he is untouchable.
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I don't think many people feel he's untouchable, he has a high value skill set inconsistent results aside. Moving him doesn't solve any of the immediate problems we have to solve in 5 days. Plus many contenders are at cap max so we'd have to take back some scrubbish salary instead of the magic controllable young stud bounty. I like hypo trades and throw many out there, it's fun but the Nash eval is best suited for the offseason I think. Let's talk Callahan Plan B, C, D and some have added an intriguing Stralman sub plot. 5 days to problem solve.
 
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