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I Eat Crow
Fear The Mullet
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Moore is definitely available for the right price. He's improved since Klein is on the other side of him, but he's been leaving a lot to desire (at least with me) on the offensive side of the game. He has a great shot, he needs to use it more.
I think he can still develop into a solid #4 that can log second unit PP minutes, but I think we're seeing basically what he is going to top out as, which is a bottom pairing guy that can move well.
He tends to lose coverage in his own end sometimes. If possible, I'd like to acquire a lefty veteran defenseman that's more reliable. Someone like Tallinder out of Buffalo. Moore in the playoffs scares me.
Tallinder is solid. i would not mind him... if the Rangers get another dman, they would have 8. we also have Falk. unless maybe he would be part of the trade, although in limited time he looked ok.. not bad for a 7th dman. adds something lacking grit on defense although another bad fighter that is a big guy
- Jul 16, 2005
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He's not untouchable but you need a player or package back for him that makes you better short and long term, bc Nash is an elite talent. You don't just pawn him off for trade deadline bargain bin deals.
And it's not apparent that Nash for Kesler does either of those things.
Samuel Culper III
Mr. Woodhull...
The whole side business is overstated. Plenty of teams, some with better records than us, have as many as 5 shots from the same side. And if you're going to have a surplus on one side, right would be more preferable as lefties are always more readily available. Moore would certainly be discussable if a GM wanted him in a package that overall was good for us, IMO. It would also be easier to find a truly pure offensive dman for the bottom pair/top PP on the levy side than the right, and that's one of our needs, on either side. I wouldn't mind keeping Stralman over Moore depending on certain factors.
Agree actually and those factors are cost, contract situation (controllability)' and position. Just because other teams have guys that can play the "opposite" side doesn't mean that we do. Even McD's transformation to the right of Suter was exposed vs Finland.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
That's because too often it's about handedness. A lefty can play that right side, but he has to PLAY the right side. You can't just put a guy there when he's never done it.
yea it's ridiculous the guy is a lethal weapon
so anyone else think Cally is going to give in and sign 6x6 yrs ? Still too much maybe but I think he comes down.
He's going to get the last call on it. Sather will say we have a deal to move you. We would like you to stay. Will you take or final offer? If he leaves I guess he wanted that extra 500 K a yr
Would be a coup. ANA needs a top 4 RHD. The Rangers have 3 with one UFA to be.
My guess is they trade for Tyler Myers
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
There has been a lot of mentions in the media lately that it's possible that no team would give him what he wants. Very possible that he comes down but enough??? is the real question.
Nash has $32M owed to him over the next four years. Its not easy to move that contract. The Rangers put all of their eggs in that basket. Player has no proven track record in the playoffs. The Rangers will need him to score 13-15 goals in the playoffs for them to win anything. Where are the other players? Many of them have struggled. Kreider has a good playoff history. They can't expect Kreider to score every big goal. Where is the size at center and on the wings? Most of these things come from the draft. That requires making the right picks and being patient. The NY fan isn't very patient. They think the Rangers can go out and buy a player in free agency. That's work out well for the Rangers. These aren't the Yankees with their unlimited budget. Or they will make a trade but it requires assets to make a trade which the Rangers lack. Every team wants the same players which the Rangers won't trade. The Rangers still need more offense from their D. The Rangers will need every penny of the cap increases to retain their own players over the next 15 months.
Fitzy
Very Stable Genius
- Jan 29, 2009
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If we're using the logic of past playoff performances, then no one should be advocating buying out Richards, because no free agent is available with his playoff credentials.
If you were to guess who would score more goals this postseason, Nash or Richards, and were to look exclusively at their bodies of work you'd probably say Richards, and very possibly be wrong.
The difference with the playoffs is you don't play **** teams nearly as often, and teams play tighter defensively. So that means the players that don't score most of their goals on bad teams and mistakes (cough-Grabner-cough) are the ones that do well. Callahan, Boyle, more physical players tend to shine.
If you were to guess who would score more goals this postseason, Nash or Richards, and were to look exclusively at their bodies of work you'd probably say Richards, and very possibly be wrong.
The difference with the playoffs is you don't play **** teams nearly as often, and teams play tighter defensively. So that means the players that don't score most of their goals on bad teams and mistakes (cough-Grabner-cough) are the ones that do well. Callahan, Boyle, more physical players tend to shine.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
Stralman has also stepped it up in the playoffs in his two years here. He was a monster in that Washington series two years ago and last year when he went down was when Boston truly turned the tide.
That being said. I'd try to keep Stralman and resign him for a reasonable deal unless Anaheim wants to really overpay for him. Rangers have money to sign him, I don't buy they don't. Buy out Richards and Stralman, Pouliot, and the entire fourth line are back.
If Cally doesn't want to sign a reasonable deal then see if Anaheim would do Vatanen and one of Etem/Smith-Pelly/Raakell for Cally/J. Moore/Dorsett and throw in a small sweetener like a Calle Anderson or a B level prospect.
That being said. I'd try to keep Stralman and resign him for a reasonable deal unless Anaheim wants to really overpay for him. Rangers have money to sign him, I don't buy they don't. Buy out Richards and Stralman, Pouliot, and the entire fourth line are back.
If Cally doesn't want to sign a reasonable deal then see if Anaheim would do Vatanen and one of Etem/Smith-Pelly/Raakell for Cally/J. Moore/Dorsett and throw in a small sweetener like a Calle Anderson or a B level prospect.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
I believe that Nash can be effective in the playoffs but not as the line threat.
If teams can key in on him because no one else can do poo, he can be shut down. If we had another threat it wouldn't be so easy (ideally another 2 - 3 threats).
Nash can be just as effective drawing attention away from the other guys on the ice... We just need someone else who can be dangerous. Krieder, yes to an extent... But as of yet not a threat every night let alone every shift.
If teams can key in on him because no one else can do poo, he can be shut down. If we had another threat it wouldn't be so easy (ideally another 2 - 3 threats).
Nash can be just as effective drawing attention away from the other guys on the ice... We just need someone else who can be dangerous. Krieder, yes to an extent... But as of yet not a threat every night let alone every shift.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
I usually agree with you, but I'm in the camp that Stastny is not the answer.
To me, signing Stastny is more of the same from this team, NOT trading Cally+ for MSL. So I could understand someone's gripe with throwing what it will cost to get Stastny at him. Probably 7 years. $7.5M. Something like that. Completely takes us out of the running to add an elite center in any way other than through the draft.
AlternateSideParking
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- Dec 11, 2005
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Getting Kesler and MSL guarantees nothing. It improves the team on paper. Look at the Pens last season. Massive roster overhaul and they get stomped by a bigger, meaner team. Iginla and Morrow were invisible that series.
Jim Rutherford loves to make trades. The Canes are losing again. Ward sucks. Semin has a moronic contract. They are in cap hell. Erc Staal was drafted 11 years ago and they've made the playoffs twice. In those two playoffs he was dominant.
Staal is what the Rangers need. A big, strong, skilled franchise center. Jordan is still an exceptional teo-way center.
Forget MSL and Kesler. Get the Staal brothers. Unite them. Mcdonagh, Kreider and Henrik are the only untouchables.
Jim Rutherford loves to make trades. The Canes are losing again. Ward sucks. Semin has a moronic contract. They are in cap hell. Erc Staal was drafted 11 years ago and they've made the playoffs twice. In those two playoffs he was dominant.
Staal is what the Rangers need. A big, strong, skilled franchise center. Jordan is still an exceptional teo-way center.
Forget MSL and Kesler. Get the Staal brothers. Unite them. Mcdonagh, Kreider and Henrik are the only untouchables.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Nash isn't untouchable.
But again, if you are going to trade Nash, you get the MOST that you can.
Let me show you a logic game.
Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Rick Nash.
Rick Nash for Ryan Kesler.
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Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, 1st Round pick for Ryan Kesler. Would you make that trade?
Jackpot
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I hope not, it's time to move in another direction.. I thank Cally for being a part of the core that really changed the aura surrounding this team, but paying a third line grinder 6 mil per for 6 years is nothing more than this team sticking to the status quo for the next 5 years. We really need more finish in the top six to compete with the elite teams in the NHL...
Fitzy
Very Stable Genius
- Jan 29, 2009
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You guys all like to talk about how selling high and buying low is important to sustain a good hockey team. But when a player in a slump like Eriksson, who scored 6-0+ points 4 straight years, becomes available, people can only talk about how he's "done' at age 28. A lot of you haven't been 28, I have. Life doesn't stop there. We have players producing well into their 40's, yet on hf a player is done once he gets on the other side of 30.
if the Ducks move Vatanen they need Stralman back with Cally. Etem would be a good pick up for NY.
Not sure if the Ducks want Cally as Vatenen was likely a target for Girardi
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
I wonder what kind of negative things the fan said about Messier? Leetch?
And no, I'm not comparing Nash to those players. Unfortunately we don't have a player to compare to Messier. I'm just wondering if these boards existed back then, would there be Messier hate, Leetch hate, Graves hate, Richter hate? Would we be seeing "trade Graves while his value his high" after 94?
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