Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVI: G Staying Put.

[Ghost of jas]

Of course it's a risk ... it's always a risk. You could trade him for a first round pick ... get a guy everyone is nuts about and he's a bust ... then what? Or you can hold on to Cally .. and he can just walk ... for nothing. You can trade him for MSL ... maybe get to the ECF .. lost a heart breaker and next year he declines ... it's all risk.

Again...career PPG playoff performer...how does that not have a major impact on this team's playoff chances?

 

[NYR Viper]

I wouldn't mind either of those moves, though I do like how the 4th line has been playing.. as a matter of fact, I really like our entire bottom 6 right now.

This is more of what we discussed earlier but I like:

Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett

 

[NYR Viper]

Why? Talk about two under appreciated Rangers. Who won the draw late vs. Chicago last game? Tied up Toews? Boyle does more than you think he does.

No, he does exactly what I see him do. I understand what he provides.

 

[aufheben]

On the other hand,

18 months from now we could be a year or months removed from a SC championship, MSL takes a cap friendly contract and continues to produce. Have moved an asset or two to recoup a pick... Gotten really lucky in a smaller, not really noteworthy deal throw in i.e McD... If could keep going, but I'm sure you see what I'm getting at...

I feel like my scenario was much more realistic. I will be blissfully shocked if this team wins a Cup over the next 18 months.

 

[GregSirico]

Again...career PPG playoff performer...how does that not have a major impact on this team's playoff chances?

It should ... in a big way.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Its also the smallest duo in the history of the NHL.

Are we trying to get so small that the opposition cant find us?

You're talking about on the PP, where's there's open ice. Also, at this point in his career, I really don't see MSL's size being much of an issue anymore.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Here is a question.. I know we all say its better to get something rather than nothing.. what happens if the best we could get for Callahan is just a 1st round pick in a weak draft because of his stupid asking price?.. not saying its realistic.. just saying.. do you move him with the run we are on or keep him?

 

[haohmaru]

No, he does exactly what I see him do. I understand what he provides.

Meh, then we disagree. That's a guy you need to have around when you have a lead late in the 3rd.

 

[SA16]

I don't know anything about Full Tilt, but I think Callahan, Boyle and a 3rd rounder for St. Louis is a fair trade for both teams.

Full Tilt Poker paid out today so maybe they're finally feeling reputable.

 

[aufheben]

depends what we give up.. a 1st rd pick in a ****** draft is not going to kill out future.. neither will giving up a prospect like Kristo or something (and I really like Kristo).. Stepan, Nash, Kreider, Zucc, Mcdonagh.. those are the future as well as the now, and none of those will be moved in a deal for him.

You say a 1st rounder won't kill us, and than you list our #1C center who was a 2nd rounder? Kreider another 1st rounder.

The Blues trading for Miller. THAT'S going for it. St. Louis is a rich team, they make a trade that FILLS A NEED.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is more of what we discussed earlier but I like:

Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett

I get that, thats a tough line to play against. I just like the chemistry that 4th line has had lately.

 

[NYR Viper]

Meh, then we disagree. That's a guy you need to have around when you have a lead late in the 3rd.

That's why he has value around the league.

Like I said before, if you had Boyle and someone offered you Dorsett + 2nd for him, would you take it? I would.

 

[GregSirico]

If I am the GM and I have 2 options:

option 1: 2014 first rounder
option 2: MSL for 2 years

I am taking option 2 ... not because I don't think the pick is not useful, but because this team is too close NOT to take the jump at MSL and have that perhaps put us over the hump and make a cup run.

 

[RGY]

Here is a question.. I know we all say its better to get something rather than nothing.. what happens if the best we could get for Callahan is just a 1st round pick in a weak draft because of his stupid asking price?.. not saying its realistic.. just saying.. do you move him with the run we are on or keep him?

I think you can get MSL for the right package that starts with Callahan so i'd go that route.

 

[NYR Viper]

Here is a question.. I know we all say its better to get something rather than nothing.. what happens if the best we could get for Callahan is just a 1st round pick in a weak draft because of his stupid asking price?.. not saying its realistic.. just saying.. do you move him with the run we are on or keep him?

I move him. But I think he easily gets more than that.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Yeah I'm feeling the same with MSL. I wouldn't give up more than we have to to get him but he would make this team dangerous.

Kinda feel with Callahan that if there's a solid deal to be made, take it ASAP. I wouldn't toy with negotiating any longer if he's stuck on 7 years. Even 6 is scaring me for a few reasons. I think I've mentally released Cally from this team already and would almost be disappointed in a way if he isn't traded. It has nothing to do with him not taking a discount or whatever.

I kinda feel like there's another level this team could hit by moving him. Not sure completely how or why but moving a Captain who's clearly left his mark on the team in so many ways, effecting the character of the team and even the coaching style to a certain extent - his presence now seems outdated, especially when you think about inserting a guy like MSL in there. The team has a different complexion, one that fits AVs style.

I can't believe I'm actually saying this because I love Cally, I really do. But his reckless style of play scares the **** out of me and signing him to a huge, or even fair market deal would set this team back IMO. Maybe not back in some regards, but lateral. Is keeping him for 5+ years making this team better longterm?

We'll see what happens. This is shaping up to be a big week for the Rangers and the league. Could see a lot of movement, as the dominoes have started to fall.

 

[emodwarf]

It's not a 'NO MATTER WHAT' .. it's the right call. This team is very good, the chemistry is starting to click, they are in their prime, they have tons of balance throughout the lineup ... IMHO what they lack is one more elite scorer to put them right there with PIT and BOS (in terms of coming out of the east) ... yes that is my opinion but I think most people would agree if you took this team as constructed and added MSL to it ... they become a very dangerous team in a 7 game set.

The Rangers lack reliable center depth (and certainly any elite centers), consistent scoring and defensive depth beyond the six guys dressing right now. If we lose Cally, we don't just lose heart and soul - we lose our best forechecker and a checking machine. Adding MSL adds scoring but not size on the wing. You think we'll do well against Boston in the East and, as an example, St Louis, should we get that far? (We won't).

In a playoff series, let alone several hypothetical rounds, I don't think that team would be "very dangerous". And whatever we'd likely have to add to sweeten the pot to get MSL would further deplete what little prospect depth we have for the future.

 

[GregSirico]

You say a 1st rounder won't kill us, and than you list our #1C center who was a 2nd rounder? Kreider another 1st rounder.

Right, but once again you do know that there are busts too? Nothing is locked in stone. Just because we have lucked out with great value and smart picks does not mean they will all pan out. Do I have confidence in our drafting, yes, but I would rather take that risk and win with our window.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers lack reliable center depth (and certainly any elite centers), consistent scoring and defensive depth beyond the six guys dressing right now. If we lose Cally, we don't just lose heart and soul - we lose our best forechecker and a checking machine. Adding MSL adds scoring but not size on the wing. You think we'll do well against Boston in the East and, as an example, St Louis, should we get that far? (We won't).

In a playoff series, let alone several hypothetical rounds, I don't think that team would be "very dangerous". And whatever we'd likely have to add to sweeten the pot to get MSL would further deplete what little prospect depth we have for the future.

Montreal used to give Boston fits. They had no size. Offense wins.

 

[haohmaru]

That's why he has value around the league.

Like I said before, if you had Boyle and someone offered you Dorsett + 2nd for him, would you take it? I would.

No, because Dorsett brings nothing defensively, can't win draws, can't score goals, doesn't have size, and isn't someone I have on the ice with a lead with under 10:00 to go.

Not in a million years. And I get what Dorsett brings to the game, but he's not nearly the value of Boyle and the 2nd round pick could be something and, more likely, will amount to nothing. No thanks.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

On the other hand,

18 months from now we could be a year or months removed from a SC championship, MSL takes a cap friendly contract and continues to produce. Have moved an asset or two to recoup a pick... Gotten really lucky in a smaller, not really noteworthy deal throw in i.e McD... I could keep going, but I'm sure you see what I'm getting at...

The St. Louis Blues, just one of the many teams in the West head and shoulders above the Rangers on every level, just added an elite goaltender and even MORE size and grit to what they already had. Now, imagine what Anaheim, LA, San Jose, Chicago in the West and Boston and Pittsburgh will do to improve. Yet, 38 year old microscopic St. Louis (minus the picks, and prospects, and depth players it would cost us) is going to magically get us a Cup? Maybe some parent confuses him for an infant and buys him a Lego Movie cup from McDonalds...that cup?

 

[NYR Viper]

Right, but once again you do know that there are busts too? Nothing is locked in stone. Just because we have lucked out with great value and smart picks does not mean they will all pan out. Do I have confidence in our drafting, yes, but I would rather take that risk and win with our window.

You say win with the window like its a fact. Even keeping all of these players what would you put our chances of winning The Cup this year?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I move him. But I think he easily gets more than that.

Yeah I do too.. it was just a hypothetical.

 

[NYR Viper]

No, because Dorsett brings nothing defensively, can't win draws, can't score goals, doesn't have size, and isn't someone I have on the ice with a lead with under 10:00 to go.

Not in a million years. And I get what Dorsett brings to the game, but he's not nearly the value of Boyle and the 2nd round pick could be something and, more likely, will amount to nothing. No thanks.

Dorsett is a good defensive player and PKer.

 

[DudMan28]

I think MZA being hurt is a blessing in disguise. See where JT is at after this weekend. Do they think he somewhat replace Callys ES production?

If he can, Sather should go all in on future assets (high end prospect + pick). If not, try and package together a deal for MSL or one centered around roster player + pick/prospect.